Rumored Violations

[koonja]

I think we actually agree but there's just a nuance we're not connecting on. There are certainly some professors who are theoretically "against" the football team. I was simply stating that it's perfectly reasonable for those folks to take a position at the University even if they dislike or don't care about football. My objection was to your point that they shouldn't be at the school in the first place. Once they're there, however, I agree that they have an obligation to treat students with respect and not go out of there way to make things difficult for athletes. If that's what's happening, I'm right there with you in my outrage.

Right, I couldn't care less if they like football or not as long as they never let it show and/or jump in when there's an opportunity to hurt the football program.

If they dislike it so much that they DO do that, then I'd question why they came here knowing it would be what it is.

But that may not be what's happening so no sense in going further with it. Hopefully we get some clarification today or soon and can stop speculating.

 

[aubeirish]

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Ecstasy? lol.

 

[IrishLion]

Any actual news here?

NDHoosier thinks Bob Knight should coach ND football.

Rhode Irish thinks parents should all have Twitter, or none should have it at all. It was a bit unclear.

Koonja thinks every ND professor should quit if they don't paint their bodies on gameday.

 

[Rhode Irish]

NDHoosier thinks Bob Knight should coach ND football.

Rhode Irish thinks parents should all have Twitter, or none should have it at all. It was a bit unclear.

Koonja thinks every ND professor should quit if they don't paint their bodies on gameday.

I think you have me confused with Irish2848. I don't think anything about twitter.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think the Notre Dame faithful, along with the affected players and parents, have been patient long enough. The players, parents, and money spending fans should have had an answer by now.

 

[aubeirish]

I think the Notre Dame faithful, along with the affected players and parents, have been patient long enough. The players, parents, and money spending fans should have had an answer by now.

It's not a football issue, it's an academic one. Parents and students involved sure deserve a verdict, but the fans don't.

 

[Bubbles]

This thread....

This thread....

 

[T Town Tommy]

It's not a football issue, it's an academic one. Parents and students involved sure deserve a verdict, but the fans don't.

Sure the fans do. They support the school through their giving, financial support of the athletic programs, not just football. While I agree it is an academic issue, I don't agree that the it is mutually exclusive. I applaud Notre Dame for being thorough, but it has been long enough for them to do their due diligence.

 

[ARALOU]

Guys,

We're all just frustrated here.

Some understand and side more with the process.

Some side with the players thinking they are innocent.

Bottom line: we're all Irish fans here and want to win.

Don't get at each other's throats for this guys. It's not worth it.

Who died and made you peacemaker? Go back to your old ways and disturb the peace.

 

[kmoose]

Any actual news here?

I have a flawed perception of how it is

 

[aubeirish]

Sure the fans do. They support the school through their giving, financial support of the athletic programs, not just football. While I agree it is an academic issue, I don't agree that the it is mutually exclusive. I applaud Notre Dame for being thorough, but it has been long enough for them to do their due diligence.

I would agree with you that the process is a taking an eternity at this point.
That said, academics and athletics discipline are mutually exclusive. At least they are at Notre Dame. ND treats its students all the same, regardless of athletic status. I'm not naive, there are many more perks of being a ND football player vs a normal student, but when it comes to academics, the guys have to obey to the same rules. From my understanding there are other students (non football players) involved in this process. I don't hear anybody talk about them. Heck, I doubt anybody know their names.

 

[koonja]

Looking strickly from a student's perspective, if youre being investigated and your current classes might not count and/or the decision might make you ineligibile to take your current classes because of prerequisites, they 100% IMO deserve to know by now, especially since investigation expired a month ago.

 

[JughedJones]

I would agree with you that the process is a taking an eternity at this point.
That said, academics and athletics discipline are mutually exclusive. At least they are at Notre Dame. ND treats its students all the same, regardless of athletic status. I'm not naive, there are many more perks of being a ND football player vs a normal student, but when it comes to academics, the guys have to obey to the same rules. From my understanding there are other students (non football players) involved in this process. I don't hear anybody talk about them. Heck, I doubt anybody know their names.

The problem with that is the non-athletes are still going to classes. Outside of the stress of not knowing their future (which is awful,) they aren't being affected in any other way.

The football players are paying a much steeper price for this delay than non-athletes. Let's not fool ourselves here.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I would agree with you that the process is a taking an eternity at this point.
That said, academics and athletics discipline are mutually exclusive. At least they are at Notre Dame. ND treats its students all the same, regardless of athletic status. I'm not naive, there are many more perks of being a ND football player vs a normal student, but when it comes to academics, the guys have to obey to the same rules. From my understanding there are other students (non football players) involved in this process. I don't hear anybody talk about them. Heck, I doubt anybody know their names.

Don't disagree with you in the fact that academics has to be dealt with seperately from athletics. That should always be the driving force in any academic investigation. I was looking at the macro approach when it comes to fans and how this also affects them. Most major universities are driven in large part from alumni giving and support through athletic programs. That's why I think the fans matter. They make up a larger portion of that "hand" that feeds.

 

[aubeirish]

Don't disagree with you in the fact that academics has to be dealt with seperately from athletics. That should always be the driving force in any academic investigation. I was looking at the macro approach when it comes to fans and how this also affects them. Most major universities are driven in large part from alumni giving and support through athletic programs. That's why I think the fans matter. They make up a larger portion of that "hand" that feeds.

Fans matter for sure. I think ND athletics does a really great job keeping their fans informed and up to date with everything. I just think that academics is where I draw the line for fans involvement. I don't know what will be the result of this investigation, but it shouldn't be tampered by boosters or fans. Hoping for the best like everyone else.

For all the negative recruiting pitch blah blah going around, guys know that coming to ND will not be a piece of cake academically. I'm pretty sure that Kelly and staff are very straight forward about that. Kids that are scared of working hard in the classroom rarely ever come to ND, and if they do, it never works out... (Different topic of discussion I guess)

 

[CarrollVermin]

I am very interested to see how BK approaches this in the presser today, and if any of the local media (or national) press him on it. At some point, there has to be pressure, no? There should be follow ups to him:

"You mentioned 'pretty quickly' has anyone in the administration provided a date for the hearings?"

"Even with a 'church and state' scenario you presented, is there anything to be said about a speedy resolution for these students-athletes so that they can know about their academic futures."

"Has anyone on the academic side been in contact with you or Jack about any delays, and if so, to what do they attribute those delays?"

Just a few...feel free to add your own.

 

[Cali_domer]

I am very interested to see how BK approaches this in the presser today, and if any of the local media (or national) press him on it. At some point, there has to be pressure, no? There should be follow ups to him:

"You mentioned 'pretty quickly' has anyone in the administration provided a date for the hearings?"

"Even with a 'church and state' scenario you presented, is there anything to be said about a speedy resolution for these students-athletes so that they can know about their academic futures."

"Has anyone on the academic side been in contact with you or Jack about any delays, and if so, to what do they attribute those delays?"

Just a few...feel free to add your own.

If the NFL calls how fast will you be gone?

 

[Rhode Irish]

I am very interested to see how BK approaches this in the presser today, and if any of the local media (or national) press him on it. At some point, there has to be pressure, no? There should be follow ups to him:

"You mentioned 'pretty quickly' has anyone in the administration provided a date for the hearings?"

"Even with a 'church and state' scenario you presented, is there anything to be said about a speedy resolution for these students-athletes so that they can know about their academic futures."

"Has anyone on the academic side been in contact with you or Jack about any delays, and if so, to what do they attribute those delays?"

Just a few...feel free to add your own.

Those aren't bad questions, but you have to know that he is never, ever going to give you anything useful in response. There is literally zero incentive for him to answer anything about this.

 

[CarrollVermin]

Those aren't bad questions, but you have to know that he is never, ever going to give you anything useful in response. There is literally zero incentive for him to answer anything about this.

Public pressure. I remember with the Cam Newton case, Auburn talked about getting a quick response from the NCAA, how they "owed it to college football" to get a quick response from the NCAA, etc. No different here. Put whoever is in charge of said process on alert that this has gone on long enough. I don't know if it is a good strategy, but it is something...haha. Not to say there isn't internal pressure already that we don't know about, but public perception can cause things to move quickly.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Public pressure. I remember with the Cam Newton case, Auburn talked about getting a quick response from the NCAA, how they "owed it to college football" to get a quick response from the NCAA, etc. No different here. Put whoever is in charge of said process on alert that this has gone on long enough. I don't know if it is a good strategy, but it is something...haha. Not to say there isn't internal pressure already that we don't know about, but public perception can cause things to move quickly.

The difference with Cam is the fact that the NCAA rushed to their decision and that caused a lot of internal strife within the NCAA. I think most on this board would rather Notre Dame take their time and get it right first. The question is what is the timeframe in order to ensure that?

 

[ND NYC]

do we all still agree that the evidence collection/fact finding concluded late august and that the only hold up in this entire matter is that the hearing has not yet taken place?

 

[CarrollVermin]

The difference with Cam is the fact that the NCAA rushed to their decision and that caused a lot of internal strife within the NCAA. I think most on this board would rather Notre Dame take their time and get it right first. The question is what is the timeframe in order to ensure that?

That is what no one knows. We had been going on Brey's assessment that it took about three weeks for his basketball player (sorry, having a senior moment and cannot remember his name). So if that timetable was true, then that is where the frustration comes into play.

 

[T Town Tommy]

That is what no one knows. We had been going on Brey's assessment that it took about three weeks for his basketball player (sorry, having a senior moment and cannot remember his name). So if that timetable was true, then that is where the frustration comes into play.

Maybe the basketball player's incident was more easily defined. From all accounts, the school has stated that this situation goes back a few years and involves more than one player. Maybe it is more complex than we think. Gotta trust the school to make the correct decisions, but the wait is excruciating for everyone.

 

[wizards8507]

I am very interested to see how BK approaches this in the presser today, and if any of the local media (or national) press him on it. At some point, there has to be pressure, no? There should be follow ups to him:

"You mentioned 'pretty quickly' has anyone in the administration provided a date for the hearings?"

"Even with a 'church and state' scenario you presented, is there anything to be said about a speedy resolution for these students-athletes so that they can know about their academic futures."

"Has anyone on the academic side been in contact with you or Jack about any delays, and if so, to what do they attribute those delays?"

Just a few...feel free to add your own.

I'd love it if those questions were asked, but the Notre Dame media are generally bigger bootlickers than the White House Pres Corps, and that's saying something. Access to the program is how these guys make their money and pissing off the head coach, athletic director, or University president isn't a smart way to keep that access. Here's how the presser will go:

Reporter: Any update on the five?
BK: No update. *Death stare that clearly indicates 'this conversation is over, buddy'.*
Reporter: Coming off of a bye week, what did you tell your players to keep them focussed?

The reporter knows not to press the issue because it will damage his rapport with BK and he's not going to answer the questions anyways.

 

[Emcee77]

Yeah, no matter how much I think about what could possibly be taking so long, I keep coming back to, "We really know almost nothing." There just isn't enough information even to form a likely theory. It really sucks to be in the dark for this long.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Yeah, no matter how much I think about what could possibly be taking so long, I keep coming back to, "We really know almost nothing." There just isn't enough information even to form a likely theory. It really sucks to be in the dark for this long.

This whole thread reminds me of this from South Park...

 

[clashmore_jon]

per BK press conference: committee formed and student athletes to have hearing by end of next week (if all goes as expected)

 

[#1rish]

I'm not holding my breath. Some random shit will come up that'll delay this timeline.

 

[wizards8507]

Screw it, I'm with everyone else. That's embarrassing.

 

[MNIrishman]

per BK press conference: committee formed and student athletes to have hearing by end of next week (if all goes as expected)

Just in time for Stanford. Notre Dame has no integrity or else they'd miss the big games too.