Rumored Violations

[Whiskeyjack]

lol we r banning curse words again seriously

On the bright side, ****s is suddenly relevant again.

Edit: Or not.

 

[Riddickulous]

lol we r banning curse words again seriously

ND Administration now runs this board.

 

[koonja]

ND Administration now runs this board.

Now I'm getting worried. PANDA was out for a full month for plagiarism. This puts the 4 coursemen past the Michigan game.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Who turns on the filter?

 

[Irish To The Core]

Do you mean you fellows aren't just typing multiple asterisks? That is ****ed up!

 

[johnnycando]

ND Administration now runs this board.

Cursing members will need to come in front of a committe to determine infraction received and ban length.

Temporary ban will be in place until the committee decides,based on evidence accrued.

At this time, said committee has not been selected.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

lol we r banning curse words again seriously

I will ask but I thought we might be doing it lightheartedly


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[Irish Insanity]

Obviously with the season coming up, they know what words will become prominent.

 

[Irish To The Core]

ND Administration now runs this board.

If that were true there would be many posters not banned but suspended from posting while the mods investigate plagiarism suspicions. I for one have never seen any of those videos cited.

 

[CurtisCandy]

No!!!

I don't want to say "Asterisk Michigan!" and "Asterisk U$C!"

 

[dshans]

Let's see. I'll test the filter ... no ****, no self imposed asterisks.

I suspect that I triggered the earlier use of a filter. I'm not sure just how ****ing long it lasted.

Hell, I couldn't use my own name or mention Dick Vitale or Dick Nixon during that "black marker black out" period.

Maybe I should transcribe George Carlin's "Seven Words You Can't Say On Television" and then count the asterisks.



Edit: the filter seems to have been tweaked. I'm now legitimate but my potty mouth has been asterisked.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I am going to speculate that Whiskey's clairvoyant vision is about 90% accurate. Notre Dame 1). takes its time about all these things [and sometimes has "extra" steps in the line of procedure which slow things even more], and 2). don't give a damm about internet commenters need for instant news. In probably every case of a world-coming-to-an-end rumor [which ESPN happily jumped on to smear us], Notre Dame has gone slow and honestly and thoroughly and the end result has been eminently reasonable/understandable.

The "awkwardness" in this is not "our" feelings [the season will not depend upon our pre-season feelings nor at any time] but that the conservative procedures that we use cause Coach to not have several players at practice who he normally would [I am going to bet that each one has a training routine "suggestion" as to how to bide their time.]

Now to add my own stupidity/ignorance to everyone else's: I'm betting that Russell, Williams, and Moore will all be in school this fall, and they will play if their gradepoint average is good enough [class flunk or not.] The same will be true of Daniels unless he's a two-strikes-and-you're-out situation.

With that, I can't wait until Rice rolls in to town, and Cole Luke, Isaac Rochell, and Brown/Brent/Robinson/Fuller go out and kick a few Owls in the tail feathers. Then, they'll do it again to a retreating Wolverine.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I think the asterisks are just smutty. Can't they be replaced by happy faces or teddy bears?

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I'm certain they didn't. The NCAA rules put a serious premium on self-reporting. As soon as a violation is suspected, schools are supposed to hold the suspects out of competition and start an investigation. As long as you report it early and perform a real investigation, sanctions are extremely unlikely to be imposed. SOP for dealing with the NCAA.

Unfortunately, it looks like someone within the NCAA leaked the story soon after ND self-reported, which is what necessitated that embarrassing press conference. I wouldn't read too much into what was essentially forced damage control on ND's part.



You keep hammering on that one line. If that alone sparked this entire witch hunt, then yes, that would be absurd. But I very much doubt that was the case. DD allegedly emailed a paper to a professor which included a conversation with someone who helped him edit the paper. The prof read the convo and thought it indicated academic fraud. That prof then forwarded his evidence onto the administration, who began an investigation. As LAX mentioned on a previous page, that investigation likely uncovered a lot of other stuff.

You're right that none of this would make sense if it was all one big misunderstanding about a single innocuous phrase in a DD email. But that's not a very reasonable assumption to make.

Thanks, I knew I was on for this one.

I could still see some problems tho.

ND found out at the end of July of cheating. Is it safe to say that this is due to the Professor forwarding the emails? If yes, then why does it take until Aug. 15 to notify the NCAA if they reported as soon as they found out? Not only does it take 2 weeks to report but now includes 3 other players? How can 3 other players be included if they did no investigating?

 

[T Town Tommy]

This whole vacating wins thing puzzles me. Why would you vacate wins when it is apparent you didn't know about the alleged issues beforehand?

Most look at vacating wins as "so what?" We all know who won the games. But still, it's out there and it means something. If the Admin threw that out there as an attempt to "save face", then I got a problem with that. That goes against the core of standing up for the student until which time the facts show they did something unethical.

In the end, it may all come out in the wash. And without knowing all the facts yet, maybe I am speaking out of turn. But if I were a student-athlete at ND, I would sure be asking the question of whether or not I am guilty before I am proven innocent. Nothing wrong with the school wanting to protect themselves in the event that things were done improperly, but up till now I just get the feeling the school is caring a little more about themselves than the athletes that are representing the school. I know it may be unfair to think that... but I think that none the less. I am done with my little rant.

 

[Cali_domer]

This whole vacating wins thing puzzles me. Why would you vacate wins when it is apparent you didn't know about the alleged issues beforehand?

Most look at vacating wins as "so what?" We all know who won the games. But still, it's out there and it means something. If the Admin threw that out there as an attempt to "save face", then I got a problem with that. That goes against the core of standing up for the student until which time the facts show they did something unethical.

In the end, it may all come out in the wash. And without knowing all the facts yet, maybe I am speaking out of turn. But if I were a student-athlete at ND, I would sure be asking the question of whether or not I am guilty before I am proven innocent. Nothing wrong with the school wanting to protect themselves in the event that things were done improperly, but up till now I just get the feeling the school is caring a little more about themselves than the athletes that are representing the school. I know it may be unfair to think that... but I think that none the less. I am done with my little rant.

ND shoots the horse first then goes and checks to see if its foot is broken.

 

[koonja]

This whole vacating wins thing puzzles me. Why would you vacate wins when it is apparent you didn't know about the alleged issues beforehand?

Most look at vacating wins as "so what?" We all know who won the games. But still, it's out there and it means something. If the Admin threw that out there as an attempt to "save face", then I got a problem with that. That goes against the core of standing up for the student until which time the facts show they did something unethical.

In the end, it may all come out in the wash. And without knowing all the facts yet, maybe I am speaking out of turn. But if I were a student-athlete at ND, I would sure be asking the question of whether or not I am guilty before I am proven innocent. Nothing wrong with the school wanting to protect themselves in the event that things were done improperly, but up till now I just get the feeling the school is caring a little more about themselves than the athletes that are representing the school. I know it may be unfair to think that... but I think that none the less. I am done with my little rant.

Is it not obvious?

WE LOVE THE PAIN!

 

[Pachuco]

It's only a truly significant problem if the student athletes in question have been left completely in the dark concerning the investigation. If I was accused of something damaging to my academic reputation, I would be more concerned about being thoroughly vetted and publicly determined as innocent. I would not be slinging rocks at my own University or decrying foul play, especially if the actual intent is to clear my name justifiably so.

As far as how the University has handled it, it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. If the administration decided to keep it hush-hush, you can bet it would have leaked through some other source, and we would be criticizing the University for not being forthright regarding a matter that is an important part of what makes rooting for ND worthwhile.

That said, I am in with the camp of observers who think vacating wins is overboard. The individuals involved (if found guilty) should pay the consequences of their actions.

 

[IrishBlood81]

Maybe I'm off but who would forward to the NCAA a claim that says we think this guy is cheating and here is our evidence...

You see when he says "I need help with this paper" he really means "Write my paper"

It just doesnt make sense.

From what I gather, his emails didn't start the investigation. They were only seen after the investigation began and spurred it on supposedly. They would have no right to see his emails posted on und's email service, until suspicion was aroused.

 

[IrishBlood81]

First off, unless the info is from a 'she' I don't believe it

I would think DD having previous marks would be one to be gone.
I would think KM would be one to 'hold out' as he wasn't in line to start anyway.

Why does it have to be a she?

Okay, we don't know any facts yet, so its all just opinions and guessing really. I trust my source and his opinion is a lot more than just guessing but I understand your skepticism.

I am going to speculate that Whiskey's clairvoyant vision is about 90% accurate. Notre Dame 1). takes its time about all these things [and sometimes has "extra" steps in the line of procedure which slow things even more], and 2). don't give a damm about internet commenters need for instant news. In probably every case of a world-coming-to-an-end rumor [which ESPN happily jumped on to smear us], Notre Dame has gone slow and honestly and thoroughly and the end result has been eminently reasonable/understandable.

The "awkwardness" in this is not "our" feelings [the season will not depend upon our pre-season feelings nor at any time] but that the conservative procedures that we use cause Coach to not have several players at practice who he normally would [I am going to bet that each one has a training routine "suggestion" as to how to bide their time.]

Now to add my own stupidity/ignorance to everyone else's: I'm betting that Russell, Williams, and Moore will all be in school this fall, and they will play if their gradepoint average is good enough [class flunk or not.] The same will be true of Daniels unless he's a two-strikes-and-you're-out situation.

With that, I can't wait until Rice rolls in to town, and Cole Luke, Isaac Rochell, and Brown/Brent/Robinson/Fuller go out and kick a few Owls in the tail feathers. Then, they'll do it again to a retreating Wolverine.

Agree with all of this. As always, Mike is spot on.

 

[dad4aa]

I've been hesitant to post this since the latest "rumored" news has been positive but I am posting to see if anyone else close to the program has heard this and can maybe confirm or deny...

Last week my nephew's roommate said his father in on the investigation committe and that this goes back through former players and is pretty deep. I passed it off as a student trying to act like he has an "in" to make himself appear important (kid just strikes me that way).

Today, an alum and former professor said that at least 20 current and former football players are involved in sex for papers. This source is much more credible.

Not sure where to go from here but hoping some IE posters with inside contacts can verify or disprove these comments.

 

[koonja]

I've been hesitant to post this since the latest "rumored" news has been positive but I am posting to see if anyone else close to the program has heard this and can maybe confirm or deny...

Last week my nephew's roommate said his father in on the investigation committe and that this goes back through former players and is pretty deep. I passed it off as a student trying to act like he has an "in" to make himself appear important (kid just strikes me that way).

Today, an alum and former professor said that at least 20 current and former football players are involved in sex for papers. This source is much more credible.

Not sure where to go from here but hoping some IE posters with inside contacts can verify or disprove these comments.

I think NDSean's roller coaster metaphor is spot on, lol.

 

[TheRealLynch51]

I've been hesitant to post this since the latest "rumored" news has been positive but I am posting to see if anyone else close to the program has heard this and can maybe confirm or deny...

Last week my nephew's roommate said his father in on the investigation committe and that this goes back through former players and is pretty deep. I passed it off as a student trying to act like he has an "in" to make himself appear important (kid just strikes me that way).

Today, an alum and former professor said that at least 20 current and former football players are involved in sex for papers. This source is much more credible.

Not sure where to go from here but hoping some IE posters with inside contacts can verify or disprove these comments.

I initially heard a source say there were a lot of players involved, but those rumors seem have cooled off in the last 6 days.

 

[Irish YJ]

same (actually original) song, different day.

 

[Classic Irish]

Today, an alum and former professor said that at least 20 current and former football players are involved in sex for papers. This source is much more credible.

Sounds like a rehash of the same rumor making the rounds last week that has since been apparently discredited.

 

[dad4aa]

Sounds like a rehash of the same rumor making the rounds last week that has since been apparently discredited.

Hope your right. Not sure where the former prof got his info but I'm just sharing with what he told me.

 

[Classic Irish]

Hope your right. Not sure where the former prof got his info but I'm just sharing with what he told me.

Not saying you're wrong, but that was a rumor circulating last week that seemingly has lost steam. I may be mistaken and others here can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jack Swarbrick stated last week that no other players were involved.

 

[dad4aa]

Not saying you're wrong, but that was a rumor circulating last week that seemingly has lost steam. I may be mistaken and others here can correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jack Swarbrick stated last week that no other players were involved.

Hoping I am wrong!! But I thought Jack's comment was related to no other current players. But, again, I may be wrong here too.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'm failing to see why a woman would be demanding sex for papers. I understand that they enjoy it too but it sounds really far-fetched. The reverse scenario is more believable

 

[tussin]

I'm failing to see why a woman would be demanding sex for papers. I understand that they enjoy it too but it sounds really far-fetched. The reverse scenario is more believable

Especially from 20 different dudes...