Post Game Thoughts: Boston College

[Henges24]

Rolling out BM was not a winner. The 3 wide sets with the slow as hell high school hand offs were maddening. I was sitting in section 'U' mumbling to myself. Would it kill us to run out of the I formation? Or are we saving that secret for 'the big games'?
Mid third quarter all was forgiven, the vocal home fans hit the bricks and the sight lines improved. Props to whatever town ordinance stipulated that all hot BC co-eds must wear Daisy Dukes. It was a bootymans paradise.

Sir, we ran the ball. This isn't your Tony Rice offense. You gave it away with "I-formation" and "Daisy Dukes." Please head back to NDNation or be open to a new understanding of American Collegiate Football.

Go Irish!

 

[zelezo vlk]

Apparently Wiz might be willing to pimp out his sister for reps/attention/Mickey Mouse ears. That was my takeaway

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[pkt77242]

Practicing for this moment for 3 years? Lol. He had two guys in front of him the whole time. Additionally, practicing and playing in an actual game are two completely different things.

Also, have you considered that Wimbush has probably out performed any qb you can think of, on the ground?

No one is perfect. Lamar Jackson isn't perfect. He struggles with accuracy at times.

Not only is Brandon new. But so is Long. And so is Tommy. And so is Kelly in his CEO role.

Not only am I confused about why people think we should be polished st this point. Im also confused how numerous records were shattered tonight, but yet we still think we should throw the season and qb in.

I absolutely hate the irrationally of some of you. Your sense of reality is pathetic.

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LOL. You are moving goalposts and not living in reality.

No one expects perfection. What most of us want to see is a competent passing game. Right now that doesn't exist. Wimbush is 48/94 on the season (51%). I don't expect perfection but I sure as shit expect competence. A 51% completion percent just doesn't cut it. That is Denard Robinson territory. Wimbush is good enough with his legs (and the run game is good enough) that ND can beat average and below teams that way but any team with athletic defenders will shut that down (see Georgia) and without a competent passing game it could get ugly.

You seem to not be living in reality. There is no reason for Wimbush to be this bad at throwing the ball. Most of us expected some rough edges with Wimbush's passing this year but this goes beyond rough edges. This isn't a few bad decisions or one bad game, this is already 25% of the season. You can live with your head buried in the sand, pretending that this isn't a problem or is just a minor one. I prefer to look at what the data shows and so far it has shown that Wimbush has struggled mightily as a passer and that the lack of a competent passing game will make it difficult for ND to reach 10 wins.

 

[BGIF]

On a positive note, Samford (whoever the F that is), had only 22yds rushing against UGA today.

Samford is a small, Baptist Affliated University in the Birmingham Metro area. It plays 1aa Sports and has long been an SEC cupcake. Bobby Bowden and Jimbo Fischer were both alumni and former Head Coaches at Samford before going to FSU. Some other notable alumni include a Nobel Prize winner, a Pulitzer winner, two Supreme Court Justices, and a Miss America

 

[SonofOahu]

For me, the concern isn't accuracy, though that needs work as well. The concern is Wimbush lacks any pocket presence, at all. He's scrambling into pressure. He's rushing progressions when he doesn't need to. He goes through his progressions so fast that it's unreasonable to expect some of those longer dveloping routes to be open. Which, at least to me, is a far greater concern than not being able to hit open WR's.

His mind is scrambling at the snap, regardless of pressure. Which is surprising because you'd think, though these are his first starts, after being in the system for 3 years, he'd at least understand the concepts of the passing game. There is virtually none.

I agree with this. The game is still too fast for him, as a new starter. The inaccuracy is tied into mechanics, though. Without setting his feet, squaring up, and stepping into the throw, he's sailing his ball.

Hopefully some of his fundamentals get better as he gets more game-time, but rolling him out and making him throw while moving is going to hamper his development as a passer.

 

[pkt77242]

It was painful the 1st half, but they adjusted and did their thing.

Reading these comments reminds me why people think our fan base is delusional as Fuck. The only way most of you are happy is if they play the absolute perfect game. Its kind of embarrassing.

They won... Enjoy it.

Sigh. Really?

We don't expect perfection. We expect ND to be competent at passing the ball. See what happens to the run game vs a good defense (against Georgia ND's running backs had 20 carries for 52 yards). While Wimbush had a decent amount of yards passing, his inaccuracy and deer in the headlights look led to many drives stalling or never getting started.

Am I glad that ND won, Yep. Do the flaws that I saw today make me think that Notre Dame can be a 10 win team. Nope. Wimbush needs to improve and it needs to happen fast. I will say that he isn't the only problem though. I think that the play calling could have been better, Hainsey seemed to struggle, and the D missed too many tackles today.

 

[Desolation Angel]

Sir, we ran the ball. This isn't your Tony Rice offense. You gave it away with "I-formation" and "Daisy Dukes." Please head back to NDNation or be open to a new understanding of American Collegiate Football.

Go Irish!

Sir! Pray understand I describeth only my lack of pleasure in the half-time tally. Daisy Dukes are still a thing. Even the high waisted ones from the 80 s are back.

 

[pkt77242]

I am not saying that Wimbush won't/can't improve just that currently his passing is not up to snuff. Right now he is an athlete playing QB when what he needs to be is a QB who happens to be a great athlete. Hopefully he can make the transition (and quickly) but the jury is still out on that.

 

[SonofOahu]

Two things that BC did not do much is run linebacker stunts and delayed run-blitzes. Temple and Georgia both did this well, and Michigan State will certainly run these in their defensive scheme. Delayed blitzes are especially disruptive to our offense, because we rely on slow-developing run plays.

I hope we start to flex our TEs, so we can space out the defenders. Our TEs are basically big receivers, we don't have any true in-line blockers among them.

 

[NDMIA]

Player Notes

Dew-Treadway: First Game Played this Season (Injured?)
Fertitta: First Game Played this Season (Injured?)

INJ
Jones Jr: Wonder if he'll heal in time for MSU
Stepherson: Any idea how long he's suspended for?
Elijah Taylor: How long till he's back?
Weishar: Looks like concussion kept him out. Will he be ok next week?
Cam Smith: Will his ankle be a multiple week thing?
Nick Coleman: How bad's the shoulder?

OTHER
CJ Holmes: Did Kelly seriously burn his redshirt today? And for what purpose? He's 5th string RB

 

[Luckylucci]

Practicing for this moment for 3 years? Lol. He had two guys in front of him the whole time. Additionally, practicing and playing in an actual game are two completely different things.

Also, have you considered that Wimbush has probably out performed any qb you can think of, on the ground?

No one is perfect. Lamar Jackson isn't perfect. He struggles with accuracy at times.

Not only is Brandon new. But so is Long. And so is Tommy. And so is Kelly in his CEO role.

Not only am I confused about why people think we should be polished st this point. Im also confused how numerous records were shattered tonight, but yet we still think we should throw the season and qb in.

I absolutely hate the irrationally of some of you. Your sense of reality is pathetic.

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This is a delusional post. He was not good, he has not been good for 3 games now (throwing the football), it is what it is.

Nothing more, nothing less. He has not played good QB ball from the pocket. He is an exceptional athlete, and thankfully so. Because if he wasn't, it'd be lost.

 

[Blaise]

Two things that BC did not do much is run linebacker stunts and delayed run-blitzes. Temple and Georgia both did this well, and Michigan State will certainly run these in their defensive scheme. Delayed blitzes are especially disruptive to our offense, because we rely on slow-developing run plays.

I hope we start to flex our TEs, so we can space out the defenders. Our TEs are basically big receivers, we don't have any true in-line blockers among them.

I disagree, With exception of Nick, I think all our TE's are very good in line blockers.. Mack had a couple huge blocks that helped set up monster runs..

Our pass blocking needs to improve so BW can settle his feet in the pocket..

 

[IrishFan1000]

Great win today. Good adjustments at halftime. In 1st 1/2, field position really hurt. The defense came up big to keep the Irish in it. 2nd 1/2 the offense wore them down.
My feeling is that the offensive template should be more like the gameplan for the Music City bowl victory vs LSU. Power running/misdirection plays first with play action and screens off of it. As much as BK wants to be a finesse, sling it all over, slow developing run game guy, ND is best suited to having a power running game. Have to use what works for you.
Final thought: Thank you for getting rid of Van Gorder.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Don't believe Holmes played you must be thinking of deon McIntosh.

First half was bad playing calling was atrocious.
Second half different story.
Overall I didn't like the fact we barely got any pressure on their QB but defense played good enough except for a few drives. Wimbush needs to get more accurate fast or it will be a long season

 

[pumpdog20]

Player Notes

Dew-Treadway: First Game Played this Season (Injured?)
Fertitta: First Game Played this Season (Injured?)

INJ
Jones Jr: Wonder if he'll heal in time for MSU
Stepherson: Any idea how long he's suspended for?
Elijah Taylor: How long till he's back?
Weishar: Looks like concussion kept him out. Will he be ok next week?
Cam Smith: Will his ankle be a multiple week thing?
Nick Coleman: How bad's the shoulder?

OTHER
CJ Holmes: Did Kelly seriously burn his redshirt today? And for what purpose? He's 5th string RB

I thought Book's first pass was to Weishar?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

This is a delusional post. He was not good, he has not been good for 3 games now (throwing the football), it is what it is.

Nothing more, nothing less. He has not played good QB ball from the pocket. He is an exceptional athlete, and thankfully so. Because if he wasn't, it'd be lost.

How is my post delusional?

Are tommy, Long, Kelly, and Wimbush not all serving in new roles?

Was this not Brandon's first road start?

Did Brandon not come out after half and find a way to take over the game?

Could the accuracy/not setting feet be due to nerves, not mechanics? Perhaps he knows how to do it, but is fidgety? Have you ever taken an exam and got a question wrong, not because you didn't know the answer, but because you "froze".

We had people on this board mocking him. Even after hitting a big completion to Smythe people insinuated that he wouldn't be able to do it again, as if it were luck. We had people that thought he should have been BENCHED (how do you think that would have helped his confidence?).

We genuinely have people on here that think he has plateaud THREE games into his career. You (haters) don't have any idea what he'll do next week, let alone this season.

If you can't see the flashes of greatness, mixed with immaturity and rawness, then I'm sorry.

How am I delusional though? What part? Delusional would me saying he played perfect. Of course he didn't. He made bad reads. He made bad passes. But he also made great reads. He also made great passes.

And most importantly, he struggled, didn't throw in the towel. Didn't cower to the bench. Didn't admit emotional defeat. He came back out in the 2nd half and broke the record books.

If this is delusional, ban me.

This fan base (some) suck. Absolutely embarrassing, resulting in tarnishing the name of our lady.

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[arrowryan]

So, I love Wimbushs talent but why shouldn't he be better? We are watching QB's all over college football with less time in their respective systems play better? Why does that not matter to him? He's been practicing for this moment for 3 years.

This is just not true. BW has not been in the same system for 3 years. He was introduced to a new QB coach and OC (who is a total 180 when it comes play calling, compared to BK).

They ran the ball 51 times yesterday. In previous years, it would sometimes take Notre Dame a whole month to reach 51 carries.

I understand where the frustration is coming from in regards to BW, but we have to give it more than 3 games. The game minutes he is getting and the struggles he is experiencing are so valuable for the rest of this season and beyond. BW he is too talented, smart, and mentally tough to not learn and benefit from the last 3 games. Do I expect him to go out and complete 25/30 for 400 yards next week? No. But I do expect to see improvements.

 

[arrowryan]

-Brandon Wimbish was fun to watch when running the football. But he NEEDS to better as a passer. I think he will, it will just take some time.

-The struggles in the passing game are not just on BW. The receivers need to be more physical, attack the ball, and be smart on routes. Example: On 4th and 5 when BW came up short when he scrambled for the first, ESB was open early on his crossing route but he kept running it and ran into coverage. Break off your route and sit in the soft spot of their zone coverage.

-The running game was tremendous once again. That will be our identity for 2017. Adams could easily rush for 1,300 yards this season. I want to see more 2 back sets. Get Dex in the offense more.

-The offensive line played a lot better than last week. Harold Landry got consistent pressure against Kraemer/Hainsey, but that was a great opportunity for them to get better and that will make them better in the future. Landry is pretty much a lock for a 1st round selection.

-The defense as a whole has played good football in the season so far. The front 7 didn't have many sacks to show for it, but they got quite a bit of pressure on the QB yesterday. It looks real promising for the next couple seasons.

-The secondary has to be the biggest surprise of the season so far. The safeties are playing decent, especially Coleman. Nick Coleman has found a home back there at safety. Crawford with 3 turnovers, wow.

 

[texbender]

We rushed for 515 yards. Your second point plays into how dominant the o-line was. BC stacked up against the run and ND still rushed for over 500 yards.

Yes, the stats contradict my statement. Referring more to too many stuffed plays and a QB who is always scrambling since there never is a pocket to sit in. Not just vs BC either. This wasn't a stellar defense, and half way through the 3rd quarter we're wondering if we can even win the game. The OL was supposedly the strength of he team, I just haven't seen it. Kudos to the runners who if they can break through the stacked line, are off to the races.

 

[Senoj13]

-Brandon Wimbish was fun to watch when running the football. But he NEEDS to better as a passer. I think he will, it will just take some time.

-The struggles in the passing game are not just on BW. The receivers need to be more physical, attack the ball, and be smart on routes. Example: On 4th and 5 when BW came up short when he scrambled for the first, ESB was open early on his crossing route but he kept running it and ran into coverage. Break off your route and sit in the soft spot of their zone coverage.

-The running game was tremendous once again. That will be our identity for 2017. Adams could easily rush for 1,300 yards this season. I want to see more 2 back sets. Get Dex in the offense more.

-The offensive line played a lot better than last week. Harold Landry got consistent pressure against Kraemer/Hainsey, but that was a great opportunity for them to get better and that will make them better in the future. Landry is pretty much a lock for a 1st round selection.

-The defense as a whole has played good football in the season so far. The front 7 didn't have many sacks to show for it, but they got quite a bit of pressure on the QB yesterday. It looks real promising for the next couple seasons.

-The secondary has to be the biggest surprise of the season so far. The safeties are playing decent, especially Coleman. Nick Coleman has found a home back there at safety. Crawford with 3 turnovers, wow.

I think Landry's aggressive speed rush around the right side of the OL cost them two TDs. I'm not sure if this was just BW or if this was a halftime adjustment. But it seemed like they were looking for that and had BW cut underneath as he went to the outside.

Also...what's with the pants? It look like they were so short he had to cut his knee pads in half.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

I disagree, With exception of Nick, I think all our TE's are very good in line blockers.. Mack had a couple huge blocks that helped set up monster runs..

Our pass blocking needs to improve so BW can settle his feet in the pocket..

From what I remember he usually had a pretty good pocket but at least in the first half he would get happy feet after two seconds and look to escape the pocket, which then let a defender loose because he ran away from his blocks.

 

[drayer54]

We will go as far as the running game takes us. Some of the better D's that stack the box and have more speed are going to seriously stall our offense.

I think this team is good enough for at least 9 wins as of now.

Miami, USC, and MSU are my only concerns.

 

[Buster Bluth]

This is a delusional post. He was not good, he has not been good for 3 games now (throwing the football), it is what it is.

Nothing more, nothing less. He has not played good QB ball from the pocket. He is an exceptional athlete, and thankfully so. Because if he wasn't, it'd be lost.

Think they need to roll him out and cut his reads in half?

 

[jspags10pg]

So happy to have Crawford back and healthy. Dude's just a playmaker in every sense of the word. In less than 5 games of playing time he's been a part of at least 4 turnovers I can think of off the top of my head. 5 if you count the blocked/returned extra point against Texas.

 

[tadman95]

The defense is legitimately better no question. The coaching staff deserves credit, even Kelly for bring the new staff in. Still some missed tackles but great strides in a much needed way. USC will be a test.

The offense has to find some semblance of a passing game. I think we expect a lot of Wimbush, three starts is pretty early in a career. I expected a more polished 3rd year player, maybe that's not fair.

The rushing attack is great but these aren't top defenses we're beating up. It bothers me a little that the o-line was asked to step up at half time, especially after Georgia. Wasn't that point made and acknowledged a week ago?

Three games in and there's improvement which is good news.

 

[NorthDakota]

Think they need to roll him out and cut his reads in half?

I'd give it a shot. I thought we'd be getting a more athletic and mature Golson. Turns out we do....he just doesn't throw an accurate ball right now....I'm not a football coach, no idea how much of this is fixable.

This defense is pretty good all things considered. Pretty happy about them. You put this defense on the 2015 team, and they are in the CFP no doubt.

I get irritated watching the slow developing runs on offense. Nothing wrong with running a quick hitter guys!

I for whatever sadistic reason still believe in Kelly. I think this team can win 10 games, IF they can find a way to help Wimbush complete easy passes.

 

[arrowryan]

The only gripe I have with Long is the play call where he has BW rolling to his left and throwing across his body. I'd love for them to kinda "dumb" things down a little bit this week. 3 step drops and if he rolls out, have it be to his right.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Thing that gives me confidence against MSU is the fact that their offense isn't very good. Their defense is decent but who have they played?! Nd is 19 in total offense and 60ish in total defense

 

[snoopdog]

Biggest takeaway from this game is, (and this is something I never knew before) there is a right way to win 49-20 and a wrong way to win 49-20. And apparently I just witnessed the very worst way to win 49-20.

Education, what a thing.

 

[Fbolt]

I think that's what we'll see moving fwd, a "simplified" passing attack with more short passes and less complicated reads. BW needs to feel some success in the pocket and develop some confidence in order to improve.