Political Correctness thread

[FightingIrishLover7]

"Gay" isn't used as a substitute for 'lame' or 'annoying' anymore?? That's news to me... I hear is constantly still.

Are you surrounded by any combination of old, angry, and uneducated people?

If I dropped a line like that at work, I would just start walking myself to HR.

 

[IrishLax]

Are you surrounded by any combination of old, angry, and uneducated people?

If I dropped a line like that at work, I would just start walking myself to HR.

LOL phrased perfectly...

 

[NorthDakota]

"Gay" isn't used as a substitute for 'lame' or 'annoying' anymore?? That's news to me... I hear is constantly still.

Very big news. I don't hear "retarded" as much anymore.

Are you surrounded by any combination of old, angry, and uneducated people?

If I dropped a line like that at work, I would just start walking myself to HR.

I wouldn't use it at work...but anywhere else, I hear it and use it regularly.

 

[connor_in]

"Gay" isn't used as a substitute for 'lame' or 'annoying' anymore?? That's news to me... I hear it constantly still.

Better start using this...

Then again, maybe not:

 

[IrishLion]

So let's talk about an example of political correctness gone good.

Growing up, in middle school and high school everybody called stuff "gay". It was a direct substitute for "lame" or "annoying"... every time something less-than-good happened the default response was "that's so gay" or if someone was acting like a loser you said "stop being a fag" or something to that effect.

That kind of speech just flat out doesn't exist anymore. Nobody talks that way in middle school/high school. And that's a very good thing, and it happened because of an appropriate application of political correctness and social awareness.

I guess I kind of grew up right in the middle of this transition.

When I was in grade school and middle school, a favorite phrase between me and my friends was, "dude, don't be gay." It had nothing to do with discriminating against gay people. It was, "dude, don't do that please."

I can remember distinctly that my best friend, a notorious sore loser, would always start messing around in the last minute of an intense game of Madden or NCAA if he knew he was about to lose. He would prolong the game with penalties just so he could say "but the game never ended, I didn't lose!" I would say, "dude, don't be gay. Just take your loss."

We started to learn later in middle school and in high school that this language is NOT okay. 100% honesty, it's a hard habit to break. It's not part of my vocabulary to use it in that sense at all anymore, but it was a transition through high school to avoid it.

One I still catch myself using sometimes is "that's retarded." My wife was telling me about her terrible coworker the other day, and I caught myself using it in conversation. I still have to make mental notes every so often to work on it.

 

[BeauBenken]

"Gay" isn't used as a substitute for 'lame' or 'annoying' anymore?? That's news to me... I hear it constantly still.

It's a bit more civil to steer clear of it and most do. But you're right, it still does get used.

It's the intent of any word that's good or bad. Not the word itself.

Gay is not a slur until it comes from some homophobe's mouth. IMO, otherwise it's just stupid banter, per most things.

 

[ACamp1900]

That's shocking. Aren't you in Cali?

Yep. All I know is hearing it used that way is still very common place in my experience, I work in education (out of k-6 public ed now but still) and my oldest daughter is in junior high and it's my experience that 'the kids' still very much use it, at least out here... I also have a couple of friends and friends of friends that still drop it fairly regularly, and yes, they are educated, young, and laid back, completely opposite of FIL7's depiction. Don't know what to tell you...

 

[wizards8507]

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[connor_in]

Diner offers 'Dictator Obama' breakfast special, political correctness talking points | Fox News

 

[fightingirish26]

I haven't heard the term "gay" used derogatorily by anybody recently except for my roommate. It may be relevant to note that he is a Trump supporter.


To be honest, I never hear "retarted" to describe anything anymore other than bad acid.

 

[NDPhilly]

So let's talk about an example of political correctness gone good.

Growing up, in middle school and high school everybody called stuff "gay". It was a direct substitute for "lame" or "annoying"... every time something less-than-good happened the default response was "that's so gay" or if someone was acting like a loser you said "stop being a fag" or something to that effect.

That kind of speech just flat out doesn't exist anymore. Nobody talks that way in middle school/high school. And that's a very good thing, and it happened because of an appropriate application of political correctness and social awareness.

As someone who was in HS in 2014 this isn't true at all lol. Shit in college people still use it all the time.

 

[GoldenDome]

Gay means happy. And fag is a cigarette. Duh.

Didn't people start using the term 'brokeback' instead of traditional gay slurs? Now back to normal I guess. I honestly haven't heard it for a while until Rondo.

 

[connor_in]

 

[Irish#1]

Let's step back a little farther. Before gay, we called it queer which meant lame and/or weird. Then somehow queer morphed into gay still meaning lame and/or weird. Fags were cigarettes. Not sure how that morphed into a slur term.

queer
kwir/
adjective
1.
strange; odd.
"she had a queer feeling that they were being watched"
synonyms: odd, strange, unusual, funny, peculiar, curious, bizarre, weird, uncanny, freakish, eerie, unnatural;

 

[IrishLax]

As someone who was in HS in 2014 this isn't true at all lol. Shit in college people still use it all the time.

Well, you're from Philly, where everyone is an asshole.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

. . . Free speech also served as a launching pad for some folks to do some pretty hateful things -- burn down black churches, spit on veterans who returned home from Vietnam, hold Muhammed art contests to antagonize Muslims, and refusal to allow homosexuals to marry . . .

Two or three of these four things happened. I was active military at the end of the Viet Nam conflict, and for about four years afterward. I never was treated badly by anyone. Nor did I hear of anyone that was personally treated badly. Most of my non-coms, from my early days did multiple tours, going back to Da Nang, and Hue City, and before. Many from the heyday of the protests, saw lines of picket, objecting to the war, upon their return, but most were treated well, especially those that were disenchanted with the progress of the war.

In fact, the only reliable case I have seen documented of returning vets being harried, and called names including 'baby-killers' were those returning from Mỹ Lai and Mỹ Khe, Company C, Calley's boys. That is it.

Revisionist history is a bitch. And she has wheels. Sometimes, when a notion gets planted in the public consciousness, it is impossible to make it go away. I believe a little good research will bear out that even if a couple of cases occurred, the wide-spread occurrences inferred, never happened. And if you try, you cannot find one well documented case. (Caught on film, other than single shot open to interpretation.)

Huh? Are singling out Catholic beliefs or do you mean any/all Christian beliefs? So our laws shouldn't be even influenced by Christian beliefs now? I wish you were born in the 1730's, would have loved to see you present that idea during this Country's founding.



Wow. Surprising.

Another example of revisionist history. Many of the founders of this country were 'deists,' eg., Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, and Ben Franklin among others :

"Here is my Creed," Franklin wrote to Stiles. "I believe in one God, Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That he ought to be worshipped. That the most acceptable Service we render to him, is doing Good to his other Children. That the Soul of Man is immortal, and will be treated with Justice in another Life respecting its Conduct in this ... As for Jesus of Nazareth ... I think the system of Morals and Religion as he left them to us, the best the World ever saw ... but I have ... some Doubts to his Divinity; though' it is a Question I do not dogmatism upon, having never studied it, and think it is needless to busy myself with it now, where I expect soon an Opportunity of knowing the Truth with less Trouble."

The narrative was classic Franklin, witty and to the point. Religion was worthless unless it promoted virtuous behavior. Jesus was the greatest moral teacher who ever lived, but he was not God.

A few prominent Founding Fathers were <sic> anti-clerical Christians (deists) such as Thomas Jefferson,[19][20][21] who constructed the Jefferson Bible, and Benjamin Franklin.[22]

Historian Gregg L. Frazer argues that the leading Founders (Adams, Jefferson, Franklin, Wilson, Morris, Madison, Hamilton, and Washington) were neither Christians nor Deists, but rather supporters of a hybrid "theistic rationalism".

Remember, as primarily English subjects, after the excesses of 're-reformation, and its pursuant rebellion' including the excesses of the antidisestablishmentarianists, coupled with the infusion of new ideas of the Age of Enlightenment, both mixed with a blossoming bourgeoisie, caused a change of thinking, that first had the ability to be expressed by individuals in public, without fear of censure.

In fact, one of the three works Jefferson considered his greatest, was authoring the new Colonial Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia. If you do the research, one of the biggest changes he made from the English-Anglican law was eliminating all penal laws, and forced tithing. The same policies, perpetrated by the crown on Ireland! (At that time in Ireland, five shillings would be paid for the severed head of any Roman Priest, brought into a police station.)

So with that, I asked what you mean by your questions? Because if you are saying our founders built a country who's laws were a continuation of positive Christian dogma of the day, I, as most scholars, would disagree. If you are saying that laws were originally set up in this country to oppose the leadership of organized Christianity, as they were also set up to oppose the tyranny of the English Crown, I would agree.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Joshua Lawerence Chamberlain must be rolling over in his grave.

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, or Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain, Civil War Hero, Governor of Maine, attorney, and land speculator, was a clear progressive throughout his life.

In the military, he showed incredible distain for the standard treatment of soldiers by the Army. He also was a vocal supporter of an abolitionist agenda and espoused those views.

He set up several charitable organizations, and several facilities that were the forerunners of today's charitable care centers.

He was a proponent of equality, supported some level of gender equality, and railed against the policies (Republican) of Southern reconstruction, (Carpetbaggers, Martial Law, maintenance of the sharecropper system of farming,) etc.

With the even keeled way in which this man was portrayed, I would be surprised if he even paid attention, or to quote from his vernacular, 'Gave it a howdy-do!'

 

[NDgradstudent]

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, or Lawrence Joshua Chamberlain, Civil War Hero, Governor of Maine, attorney, and land speculator, was a clear progressive throughout his life.

In the military, he showed incredible distain for the standard treatment of soldiers by the Army. He also was a vocal supporter of an abolitionist agenda and espoused those views.

He set up several charitable organizations, and several facilities that were the forerunners of today's charitable care centers.

He was a proponent of equality, supported some level of gender equality, and railed against the policies (Republican) of Southern reconstruction, (Carpetbaggers, Martial Law, maintenance of the sharecropper system of farming,) etc.

With the even keeled way in which this man was portrayed, I would be surprised if he even paid attention, or to quote from his vernacular, 'Gave it a howdy-do!'

I'm confused. Liberals today always like to associate themselves with the post-Civil War Republican party, which was the party that supported abolition, women's votes, etc.(although also supported Prohibition. Like today, Protestants were the dominant force in the party). Typically liberals sympathize with the "radical" Republican approach to Reconstruction. But I guess you don't, since you count among Chamberlain's merits that he opposed those policies.

As for political correctness, Chamberlain was not such a delicate flower as today's Bowdoin students. He was not 'triggered' by the sight of the Confederate flag, nor by that of Confederate soldiers:

Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness could bend their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and famished, but erect, with eyes looking level into ours, waking memories that bound us together as no other bond; was not such manhood to be welcomed back into a Union so tested and assured?

He was able to show respect for opponents who were trying to kill him and his soldiers. Today's students cannot countenance the mere expression of a different opinion.

 

[Legacy]

I went to a northern school with a woman from Birmingham, who was quiet and unassuming. After some discussion on blacks in our society, she said, "You know that negras are subhuman. They do not deserve the protections that Washington is foisting upon us." She was not politically correct among us and the community surrounding the university. When I moved to the South, I found that among many of the people at the time, I was not politically correct on such laws as the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. These were passed overwhelmingly by Congress and had been championed by Father Hesburgh chairing the Civil Rights Commission. Are these considered politically incorrect today?

I understand it is a a buzzword today by some Presidential candidates and perhaps a linchpin in undoing much of Hesburgh's work for civil rights. Is there not an underlying moral imperative to these types of laws?

"The problem of human rights is so universal that it transcends all other problems that face humanity." (Hesburgh)

"Notre Dame can and must be a crossroads where all the vital intellectual currents of our time meet in dialogue, where the great issues of the Church and the world today are plumbed to their depths, where every sincere inquirer is welcomed and listened to and respected by a serious consideration of what he has to say about his belief or unbelief, his certainty or uncertainty; where differences of culture and religion and conviction can co-exist with friendship, civility, hospitality, respect and love; a place where the endless conversation is harbored and not foreclosed." (Hesburgh)

Is this what is meant by "~95% of university faculty are liberals or left-leaning"? At Notre Dame? I did not realize so many professors in business, science, architecture, engineering, for example, were overwhleming contributing to that 95% and did not "co-exist with friendship, civility, hospitality, respect and love; a place where the endless conversation is harbored and not foreclosed."

“We share the same divine life, that of Christ, our Head . . . if we should despise another, we despise Christ.” (Hesburgh)

Where's the basement in Presidential candidates' proudly asserting that they are politically incorrect? Is the term relative to place, time and political winds?

 

[NorthDakota]

Study of glaciers’ varied impact on men, women cost taxpayers big bucks | Fox News

Gender and Glaciers. I'm curious as to what Bogtrotter's daughter/her friends think about glaciers and how they empower/marginalize women. I wonder if glaciers have any influence on usage of "gay" or "retarded" in everyday conversation.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Study of glaciers’ varied impact on men, women cost taxpayers big bucks | Fox News

Gender and Glaciers. I'm curious as to what Bogtrotter's daughter/her friends think about glaciers and how they empower/marginalize women. I wonder if glaciers have any influence on usage of "gay" or "retarded" in everyday conversation.

I don't like your tone. The very fact that you think glaciers are a joke or some sort of laughing matter makes me feel marginalized and is a microaggression towards me. Are you questioning whether there even needs to be a study about glaciers empowering women??? That's so stupid that you'd think so in your narrow little mind and doesn't even merit debating. You're obviously glacierophobic and should be publicly shamed! I hope one day that my non-genitalia-defined, "don't fit into your misogynistic compartmentalized gender roles," XX-chromosome offspring that were conceived through non-traditional ways between myself and my non-specific gender partner get a chance to hug a glacier and empower themselves by pushing it back up a valley and right over you! Oh, and you should pay for their trip to Greenland... PIG!

 

[Irish#1]

And people complain because the military spends $150 on a hammer. Just think of the student loans Bernie could pay off with $500K!

 

[connor_in]

I went to a northern school with a woman from Birmingham, who was quiet and unassuming. After some discussion on blacks in our society, she said, "You know that negras are subhuman. They do not deserve the protections that Washington is foisting upon us." She was not politically correct among us and the community surrounding the university. When I moved to the South, I found that among many of the people at the time, I was not politically correct on such laws as the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. These were passed overwhelmingly by Congress and had been championed by Father Hesburgh chairing the Civil Rights Commission. Are these considered politically incorrect today?

I understand it is a a buzzword today by some Presidential candidates and perhaps a linchpin in undoing much of Hesburgh's work for civil rights. Is there not an underlying moral imperative to these types of laws?

"The problem of human rights is so universal that it transcends all other problems that face humanity." (Hesburgh)

"Notre Dame can and must be a crossroads where all the vital intellectual currents of our time meet in dialogue, where the great issues of the Church and the world today are plumbed to their depths, where every sincere inquirer is welcomed and listened to and respected by a serious consideration of what he has to say about his belief or unbelief, his certainty or uncertainty; where differences of culture and religion and conviction can co-exist with friendship, civility, hospitality, respect and love; a place where the endless conversation is harbored and not foreclosed." (Hesburgh)

Is this what is meant by "~95% of university faculty are liberals or left-leaning"? At Notre Dame? I did not realize so many professors in business, science, architecture, engineering, for example, were overwhleming contributing to that 95% and did not "co-exist with friendship, civility, hospitality, respect and love; a place where the endless conversation is harbored and not foreclosed."

“We share the same divine life, that of Christ, our Head . . . if we should despise another, we despise Christ.” (Hesburgh)

Where's the basement in Presidential candidates' proudly asserting that they are politically incorrect? Is the term relative to place, time and political winds?

What years are we talking about for the various events of your post

 

[BobbyMac]

So with that, I asked what you mean by your questions? Because if you are saying our founders built a country who's laws were a continuation of positive Christian dogma of the day, I, as most scholars, would disagree. If you are saying that laws were originally set up in this country to oppose the leadership of organized Christianity, as they were also set up to oppose the tyranny of the English Crown, I would agree.

This is perfectly true for the more informed. Forgive me if I do not go into detail regarding anything other than athletics here. My response was simplified to match an overly simplistic and poorly worded statement.

 

[NorthDakota]

And people complain because the military spends $150 on a hammer. Just think of the student loans Bernie could pay off with $500K!

That money should be spent to find more relationships that glaciers have on our society. This guy at Oregon is really close to a breakthrough.

 

[IrishLax]

Well I'll be damned... check out #TheTriggering trending on Twitter... guess we aren't the only ones talking about PC lol...

 

[wizards8507]

Well I'll be damned... check out #TheTriggering trending on Twitter... guess we aren't the only ones talking about PC lol...

What causes something to trend at 4:30 on a Wednesday? I get sporting events or debates or election night or the Star Wars premier but I'm always fascinated by what catches fire when there's no common cultural event happening at that moment.

 

[IrishLax]

What causes something to trend at 4:30 on a Wednesday? I get sporting events or debates or election night or the Star Wars premier but I'm always fascinated by what catches fire when there's no common cultural event happening at that moment.

Apparently some girl decided putting it after "women's day" would be funny, because yesterday all the feminists raged about mansplaining, manspreading, man-everything and the "war (lol) on women." And it just organically caught fire.

The posts under the hashtag are half cringeworthy and half completely true. And some are quite funny.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gonna hit the biggest one. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/thetriggering?src=hash">#thetriggering</a> <a href="https://t.co/zRKh70OVsY">pic.twitter.com/zRKh70OVsY</a></p>— Trevor Freeman (@ordinaryradio) <a href="https://twitter.com/ordinaryradio/status/707677668838236160">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most women have no idea what it is like to have to live up to REALLY impossible standards.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheTriggering?src=hash">#TheTriggering</a> <a href="https://t.co/uCYWyg76xn">pic.twitter.com/uCYWyg76xn</a></p>— Bogz (@sdbogz) <a href="https://twitter.com/sdbogz/status/707687057372680193">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When people say <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheTriggering?src=hash">#TheTriggering</a> shouldn't be allowed to exist. <a href="https://t.co/K5w9SwOYyO">pic.twitter.com/K5w9SwOYyO</a></p>— C9 Shaun (@Ryokuji) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ryokuji/status/707683383367720960">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLax]

Some decently factual ones:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here is the graph <a href="https://twitter.com/GadSaad">@GadSaad</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/CHSommers">@CHSommers</a> mentioned in their chat about hate crimes against Jews in US.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheTriggering?src=hash">#TheTriggering</a> <a href="https://t.co/O38vdWWdgN">pic.twitter.com/O38vdWWdgN</a></p>— Daniel Applebaum (@ApplebaumDaniel) <a href="https://twitter.com/ApplebaumDaniel/status/707681846700679168">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheTriggering?src=hash">#TheTriggering</a>....if it was only this easy &#55357;&#56488; <a href="https://t.co/fAQdcrtpcT">pic.twitter.com/fAQdcrtpcT</a></p>— Shaughn (@Shaughn_A) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shaughn_A/status/707652155948163072">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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And some of the cringeworthy ones:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Since 1982 there have been more black on black murders over fried chicken than KKK killings.<br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheTriggering?src=hash">#TheTriggering</a> <a href="https://t.co/81Qz3HXZYZ">pic.twitter.com/81Qz3HXZYZ</a></p>— AdolfJoeBiden™ (@Bidenshairplugs) <a href="https://twitter.com/Bidenshairplugs/status/707644195771719681">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Beauty is not a social construct. Men do not find you attractive. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheTriggering?src=hash">#TheTriggering</a> <a href="https://t.co/gjubTKgazd">pic.twitter.com/gjubTKgazd</a></p>— Cristina Laila (@cristinalaila1) <a href="https://twitter.com/cristinalaila1/status/707627890213580800">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[NorthDakota]

Apparently some girl decided putting it after "women's day" would be funny, because yesterday all the feminists raged about mansplaining, manspreading, man-everything and the "war (lol) on women." And it just organically caught fire.

The posts under the hashtag are half cringeworthy and half completely true. And some are quite funny.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gonna hit the biggest one. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/thetriggering?src=hash">#thetriggering</a> <a href="https://t.co/zRKh70OVsY">pic.twitter.com/zRKh70OVsY</a></p>— Trevor Freeman (@ordinaryradio) <a href="https://twitter.com/ordinaryradio/status/707677668838236160">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most women have no idea what it is like to have to live up to REALLY impossible standards.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheTriggering?src=hash">#TheTriggering</a> <a href="https://t.co/uCYWyg76xn">pic.twitter.com/uCYWyg76xn</a></p>— Bogz (@sdbogz) <a href="https://twitter.com/sdbogz/status/707687057372680193">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When people say <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheTriggering?src=hash">#TheTriggering</a> shouldn't be allowed to exist. <a href="https://t.co/K5w9SwOYyO">pic.twitter.com/K5w9SwOYyO</a></p>— C9 Shaun (@Ryokuji) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ryokuji/status/707683383367720960">March 9, 2016</a></blockquote>
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