Police State USA

[Huntr]

Tackling America’s Police Abuse Epidemic
Can the Justice Department keep up with a national systemic problem?



Why we don't know how many Americans are killed by police

As the nation grapples with the latest incident of a police officer fatally shooting an unarmed black man – this time in South Carolina – many have asked a simple question: How often does this happen?

The answer is: No one knows for sure, exactly. Even the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Uniform Crime Report, considered the gold standard of crime data since the 1930s, is in many ways out of date and flawed. The nation’s 18,000 law enforcement agencies are not required to compile data on officer-involved shootings.

At a time when shootings in North Charleston, S.C.; Ferguson, Mo.; and Madison, Wis., are raising awareness about the issue, such data would be crucially important to understanding where problem areas might be and how to address them, say many activists and analysts. Indeed, other police reforms, such as body cameras, independent investigations, and reforms to the grand jury system would all be of only limited value without transparent statistics, they say.

Ultimately, the only way forward, they add, is a federal law compelling police departments to compile the data and send it to the FBI...

 

[Grahambo]

No, really, YOU NEVER KNOW if a black woman with a car full of kids you stopped for driving 58 in a 55 is gonna murder you by the side of the road.


Except, they evidently don't.

Or the one that had a baby in the back seat and actually ran over one of our own to which we gave chase, hitting speeds of 50-60 MPH on Pennsylvania Avenue at 2PM on a weekday, she tried to personally run me down (look at the YouTube video), we give chase again, and finally have no choice but to end the scenario.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Or the one that had a baby in the back seat and actually ran over one of our own to which we gave chase, hitting speeds of 50-60 MPH on Pennsylvania Avenue at 2PM on a weekday, she tried to personally run me down (look at the YouTube video), we give chase again, and finally have no choice but to end the scenario.

Can you link the video?

 

[Huntr]

Or the one that had a baby in the back seat and actually ran over one of our own to which we gave chase, hitting speeds of 50-60 MPH on Pennsylvania Avenue at 2PM on a weekday, she tried to personally run me down (look at the YouTube video), we give chase again, and finally have no choice but to end the scenario.

So, sometimes bad shit happens that cops have to deal with, but all the police went home safe that night, like normal.

Thanks, that's what I meant. You put it better than I could.

 

[Grahambo]

#1. When was the last time one of you walked up to a cop or walked into a police station and simply said thanks? Maybe order a couple pies for the station.

#2. When was the last time one of you asked to participate in a ride-a-along?

#3. When was the last time one of you took the time to walk in their shoes?

#4. The job is beyond unpredictable. When I have to approach someone, do I know their life story? Do I know what medication they are on? Do I know what tragedy had just occurred in their life? Do I know what drugs they are on? Do I know if they have a weapon on their person? Try to run through that entire list plus more all within a few very short seconds...all the while trying to keep an eye on hands, body language, tone of voice.

#5. All I see these days are rocks being thrown by people who don't know what its like to be an officer, day in and day out but yet to see someone provide an intelligent idea on how to improve police training. You cast a stone, then cast a solution.

#6. Does any of this excuse the bullshit you see in some of these videos? Hell no. Slager should be locked up for the rest of his life. The officers who participated in the beating should be fired.

#7. Underlying theme: Don't run from the police. Don't fight with the police. Don't argue with the police. There are lawyers, judges, and a court system that will work all of that out. You don't want to be beaten or shot? Then don't put that decision in the hands of someone else. The victims would still be alive if they simply complied. You have a complaint, then file it.

#8. Lax, sorry, but this is where I toss data aside. Don't really care about the dangers of roofing. I was a land surveyor before my life began and I've been on construction sites numerous times. Sure, its dangerous but doesn't compare to being an officer.

#9. California police officer shot dead responding to suicide call

KATC.com | Continuous News Coverage | Acadiana-Lafayette - Jeanerette Officer Killed, Two Arrested after High Speed Chase

Wis. trooper killed while pursing bank robbery suspect - NY Daily News

Navajo police shooting: Violence haunts a land of tradition

More out there but I just direct people to the Officer Down Memorial Page.

#10. As for US citizens being monitored, maybe the need wouldn't be there if US citizens weren't trying to conduct terrorist attacks inside the US or try to join ISIS.

 

[Grahambo]

So, sometimes bad shit happens that cops have to deal with, but all the police went home safe that night, like normal.

Thanks, that's what I meant. You put it better than I could.

Physically...sure except have you asked me how I am mentally after having to go through all of that? And that was just one incident...out of many others that go unreported by the media. The time a gun was pointed at us, or an AK47 was fired in our direction or being attacked by a knife or having to fight plenty of times.

 

[Grahambo]

Can you link the video?

Just look up the USSS/Capitol police chase from 2013.

 

[IrishinSyria]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvbe8DFfs0


Link. I didn't embed it just in case you don't want to watch it.



really good breakdown of what happened. The "don't run from the police" rule is always a good one, but this is doubly true in D.C

 

[Bishop2b5]

If the police have to come and get you, they bringing a ass-kicking with 'em.

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[NDRock]

#10. As for US citizens being monitored, maybe the need wouldn't be there if US citizens weren't trying to conduct terrorist attacks inside the US or try to join ISIS.

As much as you good cops hate being lumped in with the "bad apples", us citizens don't like our rights and liberty stripped away due to the .0001% (made up stat) of terrorists in this country.

Lets face it, cops having a poor reputation is nothing new. To me it boils down to the use of law enforcement as a revenue source (always looking for new ways to write tickets) and the poor communication skills many LEOs have.

I wince every time I hear the way many of the local cops talk to Joe Public and I'm not talking about the guy that just beat up his old lady. I see witnesses at accident scenes brushed aside or talked down to on a frequent basis. These are people that wish nothing more than to help. Saying "please" or "thank you" never occurs and actually smiling seems out of the question. The cops doing this are nice guys/gals but it seems that when they put their uniform on they also change their personality. I guess it goes with the territory, just doesn't seem very helpful in the long run. Maybe I'm just being naive.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Sorry to derail from the, which job is more dangerous discussion, but Leppy finally said something I agree with although I disagree with his conclusion. The issue is that man's laws are essentially controls, and controls require enforcement. We all say we want order but controls, policing, surveillance will never lead to order. They can and are only leading to chaos. Freedom and the understanding of Natural Law Principles are the only conditions that can lead to order. The belief that a group has the authority to enact laws over an individual's inherently, universally granted, God given rights, and then the claim to force compliance to these constructs under duress is the principle problem. The solution is not a political one, regardless of party, the problem is a moral one and will require each of us to begin to think and behave in accordance with Natural Law Principles. We are a long way from Freedom, as Lax and Whiskey said we are moving in the wrong direction, but it is not out of the realm of possibility that we can one day see the Truth of our existence and get rid of all of these constructs that enslave us. As long as we allow institutions to exercise powers that we as individuals don't have (and therefore don't have the authority to give to them) and confuse and lose sight of the Principle, for the law (lower case l) we will continue to be dominated by the institutions we have created. They will dominate the weakest first but eventually as technology and apathy allow they will dominate us all.

Agreed, and that's why I've always been a limited government conservative. If the GOP is taken over by people like McCain and Bush who are Leftist Light, it'll push people more towards the libertarian side. Hello, Rand Paul.

 

[dad4aa]

Fact is, they are paid to do their job. It isnt a volunteer position. While in my 42 years, Ive never met a good cop, Im sure somewhere they exist. Back in college when I competed in bodybuilding, I did a lot of bouncing at southside bars. A guy I knew who was also a bodybuilder got me my first bouncer job. Difference was that I just restrained fighters while he finished the fight for them with his fists. Same guy that also broke his girlfriends nose..twice..for messing around with him. Big time steroid user. Case in point, last I knew he was a city police officer.

But lets face it, police work is low paid work that carries high risk. Why would anyone do it? Because of the power trips. Because of the ability to be above the law until significant proof is gathered to prove beyond any shred of doubt that they arent. I watched that video of the cops wearing out the guy that stole the horse that they tased and had his arms behind his back while he was face first. The supervisor said he watched "part" of the video. Your employees are accused of this and you watched "part of it" and you are a supervisor???? He then followed with "IF any wrongdoing..." IF?????

Truly sad. But truly a worldwide problem. If you think America's cops are crooked, wait until you see Ukraine's (where my wife is from).

If you have not met ONE good cop in 42 years, I would take a good look at what circles you run in. While there is a huge problem across America right now with police brutality, excessive force, etc., to not have met one good cop in 42 years seems like that is a different problem.

 

[Grahambo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvbe8DFfs0


Link. I didn't embed it just in case you don't want to watch it.



really good breakdown of what happened. The "don't run from the police" rule is always a good one, but this is doubly true in D.C

Some inaccuracies in the article.

 

[johnnycando]

New Video Evidence Emerges from Controversial Police Shooting

New Video Evidence Emerges from Controversial Police Shooting

New video evidence shows cop at fault!

 

[Redbar]

Agreed, and that's why I've always been a limited government conservative. If the GOP is taken over by people like McCain and Bush who are Leftist Light, it'll push people more towards the libertarian side. Hello, Rand Paul.

Like I said politicians and politics are not the answer, they are representative of the problem, they can never be the solution. If the constructs are flawed then it really doesn't matter what the players do. Politics is a drama and politicians are the actors whether they realize it or not. Doesn't matter which party or person is in office, things seem to always get worse.

 

[Bluto]

Physically...sure except have you asked me how I am mentally after having to go through all of that? And that was just one incident...out of many others that go unreported by the media. The time a gun was pointed at us, or an AK47 was fired in our direction or being attacked by a knife or having to fight plenty of times.

That's some crazy stuff. Anyhow, I'm surprised more police given these types of experiences aren't able to empathize with the kids on the other side of the fence who grow up having to deal with these very same experiences without any choice as to whether or not they have to. Imagine what growing up like that does to one mentally. I'm not trying to be dismissive it's just surprising how much you have in common with some people I have meet that were on the other side of the fence in terms of exposure to radom violence.

 

[AvesEvo]

FBI probing possible civil right violations in California videotaped beating

Video shows deputies beating man who fled on horse - CNN.com

 

[Huntr]

Thousands dead, few prosecuted

Among the thousands of fatal shootings at the hands of police since 2005, only 54 officers have been charged, a Post analysis found. Most were cleared or acquitted in the cases that have been resolved.

...

In an overwhelming majority of the cases where an officer was charged, the person killed was unarmed. But it usually took more than that.

When prosecutors pressed charges, The Post analysis found, there were typically other factors that made the case exceptional, including: a victim shot in the back, a video recording of the incident, incriminating testimony from other officers or allegations of a coverup.

Forty-three cases involved at least one of these four factors. Nineteen cases involved at least two.

 

[Irish Insanity]

SIAP:

Police video shows killing of black Oklahoma suspect

 

[IrishLax]

SIAP:

Police video shows killing of black Oklahoma suspect

Looks like Fruitvale Station all over again.

Dude actually says "f*ck your breath" as a guy lays there dying from a gunshot wound...

 

[MNIrishman]

Looks like Fruitvale Station all over again.

Dude actually says "f*ck your breath" as a guy lays there dying from a gunshot wound...

Haha, pulled the gun instead of a taser. Those cops and their shenanigans! Hey Farva...

 

[GowerND11]

Haha, pulled the gun instead of a taser. Those cops and their shenanigans! Hey Farva...

Yeah Chief?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Yeah Chief?

Who wants cream? Nobody?

Ok, no cream.

 

[RDU Irish]

I remember seeing cops abuse power growing up all the time. Boss Hog was usually behind it.

 

[ND NYC]

interesting that the woman in the chopper was chatting away with all the details....and then instantly shuts up with zero commentary once she sees what's happening to that guy.

 

[IrishLax]

Reposted here, originally from BGIF:
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[Circa]

Six Baltimore Police Officers Suspended After Fatal Incident - WSJ

"Running while black" looks to be the reason according to NBC

 

[irishff1014]

Baltimore city being destroyed by animals thats all you can call it. National Guard coming in and its getting g ready to get real.

 

[GoIrish41]

Baltimore city being destroyed by animals thats all you can call it. National Guard coming in and its getting g ready to get real.

I think it might have gotten real when six cops severed a man's spine. But it helps to call people "animals". Maybe Gov Hogan should start referring to them that way. It could help ease tensions. Heck the city police are way ahead of it anyway. They apparently have no issue with treating people like animals.

Curious, were you trying to say the most offensive thing you could think of or should we expect more tactful discourse from you?

 

[IrishLax]

With all due respect to police critics, the conduct of people right now in Baltimore is completely unacceptable. It's majority people just using the incident as cover to riot, loot, and assault. If you don't live in this area you probably don't have a clear picture of just how out of control these people are. It is not how you protest an injustice.