Pete Rose gambled while playing

[IrishJayhawk]

Does this eliminate him from HOF consideration once and for all?

Notebook obtained by Outside the Lines shows Pete Rose bet on baseball as player in 1986

 

[IrishLax]

So did Michael Jordan, but one sport is run in the polar opposite fashion of the other.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

So did Michael Jordan, but one sport is run in the polar opposite fashion of the other.

Jordan gambled on golf and in casinos (poker, mostly). He didn't gamble on his own sport, did he? Rose not only bet on his own sport, but on his own team.

 

[woolybug25]

I honestly don't care if he bet on the game. All indications were that he bet on his team winning. Hell, the year of the notebook was his best season in the majors.

I get why the offense would get him kicked out of the game, but I have zero respect for the Hall keeping him out.

 

[IrishLion]

<--- Biased, but I think betting ON his own team to win makes the new info null and void.


Baseball celebrates A-Rod's climb up the hit/homerun ladders, but Pete Rose is a true problem.... right.

 

[IrishLax]

Jordan gambled on golf and in casinos. He didn't gamble on his own sport, did he? Rose not only bet on his own sport, but on his own team.

I don't think it's been proven that Jordan bet on basketball, but it's pretty well documented that his "break" from basketball may have been because of breaking NBA rules with some of his gambling. People who have really looked into it thought say that the investigation into Jordan by the NBA truly found no wrongdoing and the first retirement was honestly just a coincidence.

I honestly don't care if he bet on the game. All indications were that he bet on his team winning. Hell, the year of the notebook was his best season in the majors.

I get why the offense would get him kicked out of the game, but I have zero respect for the Hall keeping him out.

This is exactly where I'm at. It's tone deaf that his career is considered invalid for something that had utterly no bearing on his production.

 

[Bubbles]

yeah....unless he bet against his team and purposefully failed to perform, I really can't get too upset up it. My guess is that he was addicted to it in the same way that Hamilton is addicted to other things.

 

[gkIrish]

As long as he didn't bet against his own team I think he should be in the Hall. And even if he did that actually makes his statistics more impressive because presumably he botched some at bats on purpose.

Living in Cincinnati now it's pretty much a unanimous feeling that he should be in the Hall so I'm not going to disagree if I ever want to get laid around here.

 

[Irish Insanity]

What I don't understand is that someone who bet on his own team to win (yes, it's wrong), is punished more than those we can prove enhanced their performance to skew stats and affect wins/losses.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

<--- Biased, but I think betting ON his own team to win makes the new info null and void.


Baseball celebrates A-Rod's climb up the hit/homerun ladders, but Pete Rose is a true problem.... right.

It's not either/or. A-Rod served a full year suspension and should never ever be in the hall of fame.

Pete Rose's issue is different. He was a player/manager that year. Gambling on your own team as a manager is absolutely compromising the integrity of the game. If I have money on today's game, but not tomorrow's, I'm much more likely to throw John Franco for longer to make sure we win today. That decision might compromise our ability to win more games because I'm more interested in winning particular games.

Everyone knows the penalty for gambling on your own team. They always have. It's still on every clubhouse wall in baseball.

 

[ND NYC]

this story just wont go away, seems it will never have any closure.

so tired of it TBQH...put him in the hall forever...or keep him out of it forever...could really care less.

 

[IrishLion]

But A-Rod still has the potential to be in the Hall still and hasn't been banned from baseball, despite TAKING PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS, LITERALLY ALTERING THE INTEGRITY OF HIS PERFORMANCE.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

What I don't understand is that someone who bet on his own team to win (yes, it's wrong), is punished more than those we can prove enhanced their performance to skew stats and affect wins/losses.

Because the collective bargaining wasn't strong enough on PEDs. It's getting better.

At this point, the writers won't vote any PED users into the HOF anyway. So it's effectively a ban.

 

[Irish Insanity]

But A-Rod still has the potential to be in the Hall still and hasn't been banned from baseball, despite TAKING PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS, LITERALLY ALTERING THE INTEGRITY OF HIS PERFORMANCE.

He's a repeat offender also.

 

[mgriff]

All these steroid users and Pete Rose is denied the HOF. It's a damn shame.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

All these steroid users and Pete Rose is denied the HOF. It's a damn shame.

But none of the proven steroid users have made the HOF. I don't think they should be eligible, but it's not like McGuire is in and Rose is not.

 

[ND NYC]

But A-Rod still has the potential to be in the Hall still and hasn't been banned from baseball, despite TAKING PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS, LITERALLY ALTERING THE INTEGRITY OF HIS PERFORMANCE.

him and at least a hundred others that are documented.

again, keep them ALL out of the hall forever...and lets move on.

 

[ACamp1900]

It's not either/or. A-Rod served a full year suspension and should never ever be in the hall of fame.

Pete Rose's issue is different. He was a player/manager that year. Gambling on your own team as a manager is absolutely compromising the integrity of the game. If I have money on today's game, but not tomorrow's, I'm much more likely to throw John Franco for longer to make sure we win today. That decision might compromise our ability to win more games because I'm more interested in winning particular games.

Everyone knows the penalty for gambling on your own team. They always have. It's still on every clubhouse wall in baseball.

I'm here for the most part.

 

[BGIF]

Pete Rose NEGOTIATED his Lifetime Ban from MLB.

End of story.

 

[woolybug25]

Pete Rose NEGOTIATED his Lifetime Ban from MLB.

End of story.

We're talking about his HoF status, not whether he should have gotten kicked out of baseball.

 

[connor_in]

Pete Rose NEGOTIATED his Lifetime Ban from MLB.

End of story.

Per Pete (I know, not the most reliable source), his "lifetime ban" he negotiated with the commissioner was only supposed to actually last a set amount of years and then he would be allowed back or into the HOF (I forget which at the moment)...thus the negotiating...but them the commissioner up and died taking away his end of a verbal agreement.

 

[NDRock]

I went to a Spring training game as a kid between the Phillies and the Reds. Rose was talking to Mike Schmidt near 3rd base (before the game). Myself and a bunch of other kids/adults were yelling for Pete as we wanted his autograph. He finally turned in our direction and told everyone to shut up as he was talking.

Rot in Hell Pete, you're a world class douche bag.

 

[BGIF]

We're talking about his HoF status, not whether he should have gotten kicked out of baseball.

Newsflash, those on MLB's Ineligible List are ineligible for the HoF.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Newsflash, those on MLB's Ineligible List are ineligible for the HoF.

True.

BBWAA Election Rules | Baseball Hall of Fame

3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

 

[BGIF]

Per Pete (I know, not the most reliable source), his "lifetime ban" he negotiated with the commissioner was only supposed to actually last a set amount of years and then he would be allowed back or into the HOF (I forget which at the moment)...thus the negotiating...but them the commissioner up and died taking away his end of a verbal agreement.

How convenient of Pete to blame a dead man. Rose has less credibility than an Iranian official. By the way, MLB has a written appeal process to be submitted with a year of the decision. Rose CHOSE not to appeal in the specified timeframe. He CHOSE to wait for a new commissioner after the appeal deadlline had expired.



You know how to tell when Pete is lying, his lips are moving. It's his M.O.


Per Pete, he never gambled.

Per Pete, he never gambled as a manager.

Per Pete, he never gambled as a player.

Per Pete, he never took drugs as a player.

Per Pete, he didn't cheat on reportable income/taxes.

Per Pete, ...


Charlie Hustle turned into Charlie Hustler.

His choices.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Newsflash, those on MLB's Ineligible List are ineligible for the HoF.

To be fair, I just read that the decision to exclude players on the MLB ineligible list came down in 1991. It was specifically directed at Rose.

 

[woolybug25]

Newsflash, those on MLB's Ineligible List are ineligible for the HoF.

Newsflash. Per his negotiation, he would eventually be eligible. As Conner mentioned. The rule you mentioned came after his negotiations.

No reason to be a prick. Neither Conner or I had that intent toward you.

 

[Grahambo]

30 years ago, let it go people. Rose belongs in the game today and in the Hall. And yes, so do guys who took PEDs. Still hard as shit to hit a ball. Game isn't the same without guys mashing.

A-Rod, Bonds, Big Mac..all fine by me.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

As long as he never bet against his own team, I couldn't care less. Guy belongs in the HOF.

 

[woolybug25]

30 years ago, let it go people. Rose belongs in the game today and in the Hall. And yes, so do guys who took PEDs. Still hard as shit to hit a ball. Game isn't the same without guys mashing.

A-Rod, Bonds, Big Mac..all fine by me.

I used to be on the other side and time has made me change my mind. I'm with you.

Don't erase history. Put an asterisk if you need, but don't just act like it never happened.