Pete Rose gambled while playing

[IrishLax]

Baseball is just so hypocritical. They bring him back for the All Century Team... even while he's "banned for life"... because it's suits their ends and makes them money.

They wag the finger at Rose and say SHAME... yet they have others in the HOF that pre-date Rose that bet on baseball.

It's so overly sanctimonious, as was the rule they enacted in 1991 to keep him out of the HOF. Didn't need that rule for the 100 previous years of baseball when it was at it's peak...

Unless it's proven that he threw games -- and there is no evidence of that -- I don't see how anything can say that he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.

 

[Grahambo]

I used to be on the other side and time has made me change my mind. I'm with you.

Don't erase history. Put an asterisk if you need, but don't just act like it never happened.

Me too and as soon as I learned that what guys were doing wasn't illegal, I said, who the shit cares. Guys were mashing and it was beautiful. Hell, look at what Pedro, Maddux, Glassine, Randy, etc were throwing so its not like pitchers were non-existent. Hitting a baseball is hard no matter how big you are.

Sosa, Palmeiro, etc. All of them. Game was much more enjoyable. I still watch and love baseball but its just not as exciting as it used to be.

And Griffey tops them all in my book. What a swing. What a player. Damn I miss watching him play.

Baseball is just so hypocritical. They bring him back for the All Century Team... even while he's "banned for life"... because it's suits their ends and makes them money.

They wag the finger at Rose and say SHAME... yet they have others in the HOF that pre-date Rose that bet on baseball.

It's so overly sanctimonious, as was the rule they enacted in 1991 to keep him out of the HOF. Didn't need that rule for the 100 previous years of baseball when it was at it's peak...

Unless it's proven that he threw games -- and there is no evidence of that -- I don't see how anything can say that he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.

Its ridiculous. Its betting. Let's calm down. Dude was an animal in the field. Absolutely deserves to see himself make it into Cooperstown.

I don't see it happening because its bullshit but Charlie Hustle belongs.

 

[woolybug25]

Totes

 

[wizards8507]

Pete Rose NEGOTIATED his Lifetime Ban from MLB.

End of story.

The hall of fame is unaffiliated with Major League Baseball.

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[BGIF]

The hall of fame is unaffiliated with Major League Baseball.

Who said differently? Feel free to quote the post.


I wrote ... "those on MLB's Ineligible List are Ineligible for the HoF."

Jayhawk was kind enough to cite the Baseball Writer's actual verbiage.

Until the BBWAA's change their rule, it's moot ... just as it was in the more than half dozen times it's been discussed in this forum over the years. Aside from the confirmation of Rose's betting as a player in the article there is nothing new in this thread that hasn't been stated before.

 

[Irish YJ]

Baseball is just so hypocritical. They bring him back for the All Century Team... even while he's "banned for life"... because it's suits their ends and makes them money.

They wag the finger at Rose and say SHAME... yet they have others in the HOF that pre-date Rose that bet on baseball.

It's so overly sanctimonious, as was the rule they enacted in 1991 to keep him out of the HOF. Didn't need that rule for the 100 previous years of baseball when it was at it's peak...

Unless it's proven that he threw games -- and there is no evidence of that -- I don't see how anything can say that he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.

This....
F MLB, and the HOF. Pete cared more about the sport than 99% of the players out there. I don't know who you can say gave more effort, heart, and soul. So he gambled... so he bet on the Reds to win. I could give a shit less.

 

[gkIrish]

Will not be reinstated.

In unrelated news, the MLB and Draft Kings are partners. The MLB owns a stake, too.

 

[FearTheBeard]

Will not be reinstated.

In unrelated news, the MLB and Draft Kings are partners. The MLB owns a stake, too.

Lol, gambling is fine if theyre the ones who get a stake in it. I just dont get the ban, as someone said put an asterisk next to him if need be. The dude is the career leader in hits, he should be in the hall.
What about guys like Arod, Sosa, Bonds, McGwire who juiced? Theyre not banned. But god forbid someone bets, no way they should be allowed. Its hilarious how hypocritical it is

 

[wizards8507]

Lol, gambling is fine if theyre the ones who get a stake in it. I just dont get the ban, as someone said put an asterisk next to him if need be. The dude is the career leader in hits, he should be in the hall.

What about guys like Arod, Sosa, Bonds, McGwire who juiced? Theyre not banned. But god forbid someone bets, no way they should be allowed. Its hilarious how hypocritical it is

It's absurd. I could maybe understand it if he was betting for his team to lose and then threw games, but he never compromised the integrity of what was happening on the field.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It's absurd. I could maybe understand it if he was betting for his team to lose and then threw games, but he never compromised the integrity of what was happening on the field.

Not true. It can absolutely compromise the integrity of the game. As I posted above...

Pete Rose's issue is different. He was a player/manager that year. Gambling on your own team as a manager is absolutely compromising the integrity of the game. If I have money on today's game, but not tomorrow's, I'm much more likely to throw John Franco for longer to make sure we win today. That decision might compromise our ability to win more games because I'm more interested in winning particular games.

Everyone knows the penalty for gambling on your own team. They always have. It's still on every clubhouse wall in baseball.

 

[ND NYC]

so tired of pete rose and his neverending quest for the hall of fame...his fervent supporters are just as exhausting as well...am done with this.

he shouldn't be in...nor should anyone who juiced.

Go Irish!!

 

[wizards8507]

he shouldn't be in...nor should anyone who juiced.

That's a different argument. If the BBWAA put him on the ballot and he wasn't voted in, so be it. That's what's happening with the PED users. Pete Rose isn't even getting his "due process" so to speak.

 

[T Town Tommy]

so tired of pete rose and his neverending quest for the hall of fame...his fervent supporters are just as exhausting as well...am done with this.

he shouldn't be in...nor should anyone who juiced.

Go Irish!!

Would that include all the stars from the 60's and 70's that juiced on speed? Or what about the womanizing drunks that played ala wonder boy Mickey Mantle? Or the coke heads that are enshrined? Should they be there? A baseball HOF void of the all time hits leader is ridiculous, even given the man's faults.

 

[wizards8507]

Would that include all the stars from the 60's and 70's that juiced on speed? Or what about the womanizing drunks that played ala wonder boy Mickey Mantle? Or the coke heads that are enshrined? Should they be there? A baseball HOF void of the all time hits leader is ridiculous, even given the man's faults.

Don't forget Klansmen.

 

[NDRock]

I don't have a problem with him still being banned from baseball. Heck, he signed off on it himself. I do think he should be in the HOF (if voted in and I'm not sure I would).

 

[ND NYC]

Would that include all the stars from the 60's and 70's that juiced on speed? Or what about the womanizing drunks that played ala wonder boy Mickey Mantle? Or the coke heads that are enshrined? Should they be there? A baseball HOF void of the all time hits leader is ridiculous, even given the man's faults.

in my best Madeline Kahn voice..."No. No. No. Yes!"

 

[ginman]

Pete Rose is not in the HOF because he bet on baseball AND was a lying Ahole who has pissed off a lot of people who could have/can overturn that decision.

 

[BGIF]

That's a different argument. If the BBWAA put him on the ballot and he wasn't voted in, so be it. That's what's happening with the PED users. Pete Rose isn't even getting his "due process" so to speak.

Not getting "due process"? Rose negotiated the deal he has. He dealt his own hand.

 

[T Town Tommy]

So... let's kick out Cobb for his racist views, Hornsby for his gambling issues, Gaylord Perry for doctoring the baseballs, the couple who were convicted of distributing illegal drugs, the players from the 60's and 70's that ate speed to "juice" up, and then we can turn to the woman beating alcoholic fools that are in Cooperstown. We can skip all the steroid users... it appears they aren't getting in anytime soon anyway. Or at least the ones we know.

edit: forgot about Boggs. How can a sex addict be in the glorious baseball HOF?

 

[NDohio]

Pete Rose is not in the HOF because he bet on baseball AND was a lying Ahole who has pissed off a lot of people who could have/can overturn that decision.

Yep. I was a HUGE Pete fan growing up. Being a kid in Cincinnati during the Big Red Machine was an awesome experience. But Pete did this to himself and he has never stepped up and told the whole story.

If he were to be honest and lay it all out there, I would feel differently.

Pete is keeping Pete out of the HOF. No one else.

 

[wizards8507]

Not getting "due process"? Rose negotiated the deal he has. He dealt his own hand.

I'm no great fan of Pete Rose the Guy. My objection to this situation is not for his sake, but for the sake of the Hall. The Hall is incomplete without Pete Rose the Baseball Player.

 

[NDohio]

So... let's kick out Cobb for his racist views, Hornsby for his gambling issues, Gaylord Perry for doctoring the baseballs, the couple who were convicted of distributing illegal drugs, the players from the 60's and 70's that ate speed to "juice" up, and then we can turn to the woman beating alcoholic fools that are in Cooperstown. We can skip all the steroid users... it appears they aren't getting in anytime soon anyway. Or at least the ones we know.

None of those do the same amount of damage to the game as gambling.

 

[T Town Tommy]

None of those do the same amount of damage to the game as gambling.

I would agree to an extent. But nobody has ever offered proof that Rose directly affected games he bet on - only that he bet. I am sure he wasn't betting to lose. I don't feel sorry for Rose as he put himself in that predicament, but the sanctimonious BS coming from the HOF is ridiculous as well. Those hallowed halls may represent the best in professional baseball - but conveniently ask us to forget about the virtues of the people enshrined there.

 

[gkIrish]

I don't feel bad for Pete as he broke the rules and isn't really a good guy in general. What I don't understand is how the MLB can be so pro-gambling and take this stance. It's just very inconsistent to me.

 

[wizards8507]

I don't feel bad for Pete as he broke the rules and isn't really a good guy in general. What I don't understand is how the MLB can be so pro-gambling and take this stance. It's just very inconsistent to me.

Technically Major League Baseball and the National Baseball Hall of Fame are separate entities.

 

[gkIrish]

Technically Major League Baseball and the National Baseball Hall of Fame are separate entities.

But the MLB controls whether he is eligible or not...

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Will not be reinstated.

In unrelated news, the MLB and Draft Kings are partners. The MLB owns a stake, too.

If MLB wants to make money off gambling, it's doubly important to avoid the fact or appearance of game fixing.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

But the MLB controls whether he is eligible or not...

Only insofar as the BBWAA adopted its own rule that bars anyone in MLB's ineligible list. If the BBWAA wanted they could easily rescind it without MLB's say.

 

[Grahambo]

Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame.

As does, Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, etc.

 

[wizards8507]

I'll put it this way. Jameis Winston, Cam Newton, and Johnny Manziel winning the Heisman Trophy are far more egregious than Pete Rose being in the hall of fame would be.