Orlando attack - terrorism suspected

[BGIF]

Blood donors rush to help in Orlando - CNN.com

After the worst mass shooting in history, there was an immediate and urgent call for blood donors to help the hospitals working with the massive influx of injured.
Orlando's OneBlood donation center put a call out on Twitter saying there was an "urgent need for O Neg, O Pos and AB Plasma donors following a mass shooting in Orlando."
So many people have responded the organization's website has crashed and the voice mail box is full. ...

 

[gkIrish]

I sometimes wonder if people (on both sides) sit around waiting for tragedy to happen so they can make a political statement. It's sickening.

 

[irishff1014]

Obama just tossed in a gun control segment but did not mention Islamic terrorist or Isis.

Do you expect anything different from that worthless POS.

 

[irishff1014]

Blood donors rush to help in Orlando - CNN.com

Awesome to see.

 

[irishff1014]

I sometimes wonder if people (on both sides) sit around waiting for tragedy to happen so they can make a political statement. It's sickening.

I would certainly hope not.

 

[Legacy]

Florida state gun laws currently prohibits guns in any place where 50% of the income is from alcohol.

The Orlando bar mass killings and the Christina Grimmie murder in Orlando were both in gun-free zones. The NRA Convention and the Republican National Convention are also gun-free zones.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Obama just tossed in a gun control segment but did not mention Islamic terrorist or Isis.

Nobody should live by these words.

 

[notredomer23]

Florida state gun laws currently prohibits guns in any place where 50% of the income is from alcohol.

I am typically pro-gun but let's hope it stays that way. I do not want a bunch of drunken idiots with guns.

 

[Legacy]

I am typically pro-gun but let's hope it stays that way. I do not want a bunch of drunken idiots with guns.

I'm sure we all agree on that. (unless you are referring to the NRA and Republican conventions where they should be allowed to carry openly)

An interesting article:

Orlando shooting: The key things to know about about guns and mass shootings in America

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the victims and the survivors - as well as the police, the first responders and the hospitals who encounter lesser numbers of these daily.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Obama just tossed in a gun control segment but did not mention Islamic terrorist or Isis.

Embarrassing.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Obama just tossed in a gun control segment but did not mention Islamic terrorist or Isis.

"..pledged to ISIS.." Huh.

Do you expect anything different from that worthless POS.

Embarrassing.

Can you guys not keep it in the political threads [your pants]? When it's on topic, I know it can be a bit of a grey area, but it's become so pervasive on IE it's starting to detract from the site, in my opinion.


As to the topic, I am kind of curious what "assault rifle" the terrorist used. That bullshit phrase has been used to encapsulate so many things, it's a worthless moniker.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Obama just tossed in a gun control segment but did not mention Islamic terrorist or Isis.

Orlando shooting: Isil claims responsibility for Pulse nightclub attack in which Omar Mateen gunned down 50 in America's worst ever mass shooting

ISIL is claiming responsibility and calling Mateen a “soldier of the caliphate”.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

"..pledged to ISIS.." Huh.





Can you guys not keep it in the political threads [your pants]? When it's on topic, I know it can be a bit of a grey area, but it's become so pervasive on IE it's starting to detract from the site, in my opinion.


As to the topic, I am kind of curious what "assault rifle" the terrorist used. That bullshit phrase has been used to encapsulate so many things, it's a worthless moniker.

A) Andy is right.

B) Why is this thread about the 'Islamic Element?' Why can't it be about the fact that 50(+) innocent people, minding their own business were willfully and indiscriminately murdered by some deranged individual, because of their own mental malfunctioning?

C) The speaker for the Transgender movement and the NAACP, as well as a representative from the San Bernardino situation, all spoke about our need to come together and protect everyone's rights. We need to start with the first attacked and rally with everyone attacked.

D) In that light I decry the political operatives that take advantage of a situation like this, and those that make disparaging comments about any righteous group, like Islam, LBGQ's, transgender's, etc. Islam is not responsible for this, ISIS is. ISIS is no more a righteous group than the KKK is. It would be like decrying all Christian's for the lynching and cross burning, murder and bombings of the KKK. After all, they did it in the name of the one true Christian God!

Sounds like it was AR-15'ish, believe it or not. Was .223 Cal., large magazine.

 

[GATTACA!]

A) Andy is right.

B) Why is this thread about the 'Islamic Element?' Why can't it be about the fact that 50(+) innocent people, minding their own business were willfully and indiscriminately murdered by some deranged individual, because of their own mental malfunctioning?

C) The speaker for the Transgender movement and the NAACP, as well as a representative from the San Bernardino situation, all spoke about our need to come together and protect everyone's rights. We need to start with the first attacked and rally with everyone attacked.

D) In that light I decry the political operatives that take advantage of a situation like this, and those that make disparaging comments about any righteous group, like Islam, LBGQ's, transgender's, etc. Islam is not responsible for this, ISIS is. ISIS is no more a righteous group than the KKK is. It would be like decrying all Christian's for the lynching and cross burning, murder and bombings of the KKK. After all, they did it in the name of the one true Christian God!

Sounds like it was AR-15'ish, believe it or not. Was .223 Cal., large magazine.

Which would be totally justified if the large majority of peaceful Christians turned a blind eye to the KKK's actions, and instead of standing up and speaking out against a small violent portion of their religion instead cowered away and lashed out at anyone criticizing the KKK.

Of course there are some peaceful Muslims that speak out against assholes like this shooter, but it's hard to stomach when you see people including lots of the media purposefully hiding the fact that shooter was a member of radical Islam.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Why is this thread about the 'Islamic Element?' Why can't it be about the fact that 50(+) innocent people, minding their own business were willfully and indiscriminately murdered by some deranged individual, because of their own mental malfunctioning?

Because WHY it happened is important if we want to prevent something like this from happening again. Was it just random? Was it motivated by Islamic terrorism? Were the victims targeted because of their lifestyle? Was it the result of a mentally ill person slipping through the cracks? It's important to find out.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Nobody should live by these words.

Rahm Emmanuel is scum but that mindset has been used in public policy for basically an eternity. Getting public support for changing laws is tough, and usually happens after a game-changing event, as public policy is normally reactionary.

Do you expect anything different from that worthless POS.

Nice.

For what it's worth, here was Obama's take on gun control last week:

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Embarrassing.

What is embarrassing is an entire political party, and its members, having apparently no ability to comprehend why they don't use that phrase.

How many times do we have to spell it out for you? There are 1.5 billion Muslims around the world, with a small percentage of them riled up enough to actually join a militant organization. By having the leader of the free world label an entire mass of people as the enemy, you do nothing more than encourage more impressionable young people to start reading extremist propaganda and start radicalizing themselves.

You might say "he'd only be calling out the radicals though! Not the peaceful ones," and that's completely irrelevant, because they don't see themselves as being radicals.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Political thread? I mean, really Buster. It was already getting off the rails a bit and then you had to kick it past hyper-drive and go to plaid?

Everyone knows these two threads can exist concurrently, right?

Mod clean-up, isle 3?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Rahm Emmanuel is scum but that mindset has been used in public policy for basically an eternity. Getting public support for changing laws is tough, and usually happens after a game-changing event, as public policy is normally reactionary.

Agreed. I understand the desire to use a crisis to push agenda, but I do not approve of it. We need to found laws in reason and not in knee-jerk reactions, which is what can happen after emotional trials.

 

[wizards8507]

What the fuck, I just saw that #LoveIsLove (rainbow emoji) is the top trend on Twitter right now like that has anything the fuck to do with this.

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[gkIrish]

What the fuck, I just saw that #LoveIsLove (rainbow emoji) is the top trend on Twitter right now like that has anything the fuck to do with this.

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Are you suggesting the nightclub was not targeted because of the clientele?

 

[wizards8507]

Are you suggesting the nightclub was not targeted because of the clientele?

I'm saying these are the people responsible for Paris, Brussels, and Boston. The message here is "Islamists hate all of us," not "religious people hate gays."

#LoveIsLove is a pithy little hashtag for protesting DOMA but it's wholly inappropriate in this situation. This was an act of war against the United State, not a hate crime against the gay community.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'm saying these are the people responsible for Paris, Brussels, and Boston. The message here is "Islamists hate all of us," not "religious people hate gays."

#LoveIsLove is a pithy little hashtag for protesting DOMA but it's wholly inappropriate in this situation. This was an act of war against the United State, not a hate crime against the gay community.

More info may come out, but for now I'm inclined to agree with you. This had a lot less to do with targeting the LGBT community than just targeting Americans.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

At the end of the day, if the Left Wing is saying that they're now committed to defeating ISIS, then I consider that a good thing.

 

[GATTACA!]

More info may come out, but for now I'm inclined to agree with you. This had a lot less to do with targeting the LGBT community than just targeting Americans.

I think it's probably both right? One of the biggest issues muslims have with our western culture is our acceptance of LGBT individuals.

There are disgusting tweets and posts from muslims all over social media today glorifying the actions of this shooter. For example...

 

[NDgradstudent]

Islam is not responsible for this, ISIS is. ISIS is no more a righteous group than the KKK is. It would be like decrying all Christian's for the lynching and cross burning, murder and bombings of the KKK. After all, they did it in the name of the one true Christian God!

Can you specify any action ISIS has taken that Muhammad either (a) did not do himself or (b) would have clearly disapproved of? Because I cannot.

 

[Buster Bluth]

I'm saying these are the people responsible for Paris, Brussels, and Boston. The message here is "Islamists hate all of us," not "religious people hate gays."

#LoveIsLove is a pithy little hashtag for protesting DOMA but it's wholly inappropriate in this situation. This was an act of war against the United State, not a hate crime against the gay community.

It was both.

 

[ACamp1900]

I agree, there were clearly two 'enemies' here.

 

[NorthDakota]

It was both.

I'm with you. I imagine if there was no gay club, he'd have shot up somewhere else still though. Two birds with one stone for this guy.

 

[kmoose]

Can you specify any action ISIS has taken that Muhammad either (a) did not do himself or (b) would have clearly disapproved of? Because I cannot.

I'm pretty sure Muhammad would not have been a big fan of social media........ just sayin'.

 

[Rizzophil]

Apparently the killer reloaded 5-6 times even though it was a gun free zone. Conversely, if concealed weapons were allowed the assailant could have been stopped by just two people carrying heat.

Also, the killer called 911 to invoke ISIS and promote the Boston Bombers. Don't forget that people that kill in the name of Allah will use bombs and guns. This isn't a time to take guns away Mr President.