Offensive Coordinator Search

[BeauBenken]

Tom, the kid who got booed by his own fans, might be facing the same thing the first time his offense stagnates.


Happy for him. Hope he does great.

 

[GreenGemsOmally]

I guess we're calling it a "search" to be ironic?

I mean, sometimes a firm will look for a replacement and they'll consider both internal and external hires. Just because you made the internal call doesn't suddenly mean that your search was a waste or in vain.

 

[Luckylucci]

This is kind of the problem I have with this. What are we really getting that is new, innovative, better? I'm hoping Rees comes in with his own playbook, but if it is just another rehash of the same playbook and philosophy since 2010, it doesn't feel like an upgrade.

Honest question as I don't follow Moorhead that closely. What is Moorhead doing that is so innovative? What innovations to his offense has he made over the last 7 years while he's been a known commodity? And what part of his playbook would be an upgrade over ours?

 

[BeauBenken]

This is quite the ugly thread. I really don't want to have to clean this up.


I can see both sides of this. Did our passing game look better after the Michigan game? Yes. Was that because of Rees taking a more prominent role in pass game coordination? Gee I hope so considering that he just got promoted.


Moorhead and Monken would have been interesting hires albeit not long term solutions. Tom is a bit of an unknown anyway you dice it, but he is well liked by this team and would likely stay here regardless of his own future personal success.


How do I feel about this? Anxious, but only because we are going to have to spend 8-9 months figuring out what this Tom Rees offense is going to look like.

 

[zelezo vlk]

How do I feel about this? Anxious, but only because we are going to have to spend 8-9 months figuring out what this Tom Rees offense is going to look like.

What's the offensive equivalent of a BVG defense? Maybe it'll look like that!

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[BeauBenken]

What's the offensive equivalent of a BVG defense? Maybe it'll look like that!

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Well BVG just let up over 38 ppg at Bowling Green this year. If Tommy can score us 38ppg next year, I think I'll be pretty happy!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Honest question as I don't follow Moorhead that closely. What is Moorhead doing that is so innovative? What innovations to his offense has he made over the last 7 years while he's been a known commodity? And what part of his playbook would be an upgrade over ours?

Not sure I fully buy it, but here's the theory at least: Moorhead appreciates the strong correlation between explosiveness and offensive success, which has allowed him to break with conventional wisdom (in some ways) and optimize his scheme (allegedly).

 

[IrishTusker]

It'll be interesting to get the background details on this. I'm fine with Tommy as OC if Monken and Morehead didn't pan out, but if we went with him instead of one of those two, there better be some rock solid logic behind it.

There's no good answer: either they didn't want to come to ND because they found the program/coach/etc. unattractive or we passed on them.

 

[ThePiombino]

There's no good answer: either they didn't want to come to ND because they found the program/coach/etc. unattractive or we passed on them.

My guess Is they didn't wanna come in and co-coordinate and/or run someone else's offense, which was prolly a stipulation with the offer. I'm fine with that. I would not be fine with them just straight turning the job down. If ND isn't attractive now, it never will be.

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[Calabrese's People]

Maybe Moorhead is waiting for Penn State to relieve Franklin of his duties due to the hazing and sexual assault allegations against the team.

4D Chess?

 

[ulukinatme]

I really don't understand how people could not like this hire. For one, OCs don't stay at ND long, they tend to either flame out or get a better job roughly a year or two on the job. If he's successful he'll get better offers, if he tanks he's going to get heat fast and get ousted. If the end of the season was any indication, he's going to do well.

Rees is a student of the game, that was always his best asset. He's helped turn Book into one of the most efficient and successful QBs in ND's history, an incredible winning record. Tommy is an ND guy with an ND degree, he knows the program better than any other candidate and what it takes to be in South Bend. He's got thicker skin than most, he endured boos and death threats during his playing days and it didn't matter. He's a players coach that the kids get behind. No other candidate would know the BK offense better. I can't imagine a better fit among possible hires.

You may think there are coaches that would have brought a more prolific offense to South Bend, and maybe you're right, or maybe that coach turns out to be another Long that rubs the players the wrong way or he doesn't fit at Notre Dame. This hire just makes sense. If you still have an axe to grind with Rees because he was a three star player that played for our team and managed to beat out other players that didn't live up to their potential, you have some issues.

 

[OCIrish]

Ban only has 3 letters...

Seriously Koon - you're right sometimes, wrong sometimes, and entertaining sometimes.

But in this particular case, I think you're on an island - at least when it comes to refuting Lax and others who clearly have strong, personal ties to people currently in the Gug.

And you drove Woolly away... so why wait for a ban? Just stop.

He drove Wooly away as well!!!!!!! FUKK THAT $HIT!!!! BAN HIS FAKKING A$$ NOW!!!!!


I thought I was the only one tired of his shit........that's a terrible thing to lose a man like Wooly.....

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Well, kinda just sounds like we were spurned.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Mississippi State coach Joe Moorhead expected to be new offensive coordinator at Oregon, source told <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>. Moorhead was OC at Penn State from 2016-17</p>— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1217251364977422336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[irishtrooper]

I really don't understand how people could not like this hire. For one, OCs don't stay at ND long, they tend to either flame out or get a better job roughly a year or two on the job. If he's successful he'll get better offers, if he tanks he's going to get heat fast and get ousted. If the end of the season was any indication, he's going to do well.

Rees is a student of the game, that was always his best asset. He's helped turn Book into one of the most efficient and successful QBs in ND's history, an incredible winning record. Tommy is an ND guy with an ND degree, he knows the program better than any other candidate and what it takes to be in South Bend. He's got thicker skin than most, he endured boos and death threats during his playing days and it didn't matter. He's a players coach that the kids get behind. No other candidate would know the BK offense better. I can't imagine a better fit among possible hires.

You may think there are coaches that would have brought a more prolific offense to South Bend, and maybe you're right, or maybe that coach turns out to be another Long that rubs the players the wrong way or he doesn't fit at Notre Dame. This hire just makes sense. If you still have an axe to grind with Rees because he was a three star player that played for our team and managed to beat out other players that didn't live up to their potential, you have some issues.

Not saying I completely agree, but I would posit that this smells like a status quo move from a HC/system that has a rep ‘round here as being meh.... This is typical to some, just like the Book vs Jurkovec argument after the UM game. It seems like more of the same while hoping for better results. I get it. I’m hopeful the recruiting continues to improve and we get the players to give the offense the juice many think it needs.

I just hope it works out and we can make a run.

 

[PANDFAN]

How can young coaches who could possibly bring some new creativity and design unless given the opportunity... This job isn't based on physical abilities but the guy is heralded as a players coach, can relate to a younger generation which could help with recruiting.. I'm for it and I like the dynamic between him and BK

 

[Luckylucci]

Well, kinda just sounds like we were spurned.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former Mississippi State coach Joe Moorhead expected to be new offensive coordinator at Oregon, source told <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>. Moorhead was OC at Penn State from 2016-17</p>— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) <a href="https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1217251364977422336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

My speculation is Oregon is just more attractive because of their willingness for an offensive overhaul/identity. I don’t think BK had an appetite for that and it seems reasonable why.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Loy is saying on the boards that Moorhead didn't even formally interview (for ND that is) and it never got beyond a few phone calls

 

[Irishman77]

Wonder why no interest

 

[NDRock]

Loy is saying on the boards that Moorhead didn't even formally interview (for ND that is) and it never got beyond a few phone calls

Seems believable. Never really thought it would be anybody but Rees. Same as the Quinn hiring. Float some names, go with the known quantity.

 

[T-Boone]

Anyway BK could totally butt out of the defensive side of things and help Rees out a bit. Start recruiting on offense.

I mean Ed Ogeron probably has big input into the LSU defense and little or no input into the offense.

 

[Legacy]

Updated: 9 candidates for Oregon Ducks offensive coordinator (247, 1 day ago)

 

[arrowryan]

Loy is saying on the boards that Moorhead didn't even formally interview (for ND that is) and it never got beyond a few phone calls

To add to this, Loy thinks that Moorhead might've had more interest in ND than Kelly had in Moorhead.

 

[Cali_domer]

To add to this, Loy thinks that Moorhead might've had more interest in ND than Kelly had in Moorhead.

Lol, of course. I am surprised it took this long to mention this.

I am not happy with the hire. But I want Tom to succeed and to be proven wrong. I believe that we "had" a great chance to be really good next year,. This just seems like an unneeded risk (on the job training) .

 

[Free Manera]

To add to this, Loy thinks that Moorhead might've had more interest in ND than Kelly had in Moorhead.

That’s a WTF for me, dawg.

 

[dad4aa]

To add to this, Loy thinks that Moorhead might've had more interest in ND than Kelly had in Moorhead.

Like he thinks every recruit that ND offers will commit and he puts in a CB as soon as the offer goes out. This guy doesn’t know sh*t.

 

[Circa]

Lol, of course. I am surprised it took this long to mention this.

I am not happy with the hire. But I want Tom to succeed and to be proven wrong. I believe that we "had" a great chance to be really good next year,. This just seems like an unneeded risk (on the job training) .

The frozen 5 comes back alive! Honestly... I don't believe in you what so ever... as a fan.

 

[ulukinatme]

To add to this, Loy thinks that Moorhead might've had more interest in ND than Kelly had in Moorhead.

Like he thinks every recruit that ND offers will commit and he puts in a CB as soon as the offer goes out. This guy doesn’t know sh*t.

I'm sure he's gotten better as time has gone on, but Loy has been clueless since day 1. I feel like he gets half his information from a Magic 8 Ball.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Lol, of course. I am surprised it took this long to mention this.

I am not happy with the hire. But I want Tom to succeed and to be proven wrong. I believe that we "had" a great chance to be really good next year,. This just seems like an unneeded risk (on the job training) .

That was going to happen regardless.

Hiring Moorhead comes with similar risks. With Rees, you fear that his lack of experience gets in the way. With someone like Moorhead, you lack continuity, and there's more question that the players will buy into his offense and more importantly, him as a coach. With Rees, that isn't an issue.

 

[Irish#1]

To add to this, Loy thinks that Moorhead might've had more interest in ND than Kelly had in Moorhead.

I'm not going to throw up my arms and say WTF? Moorhead may have had more interest in ND than Kelly had in Moorhead, but we don't know what was discussed in the phone calls. Moorhead may have had some demands like salary, title (AHC) and philosophy which BK didn't think would work. Maybe he didn't want to recruit?

 

[Cali_domer]

That was going to happen regardless.

Hiring Moorhead comes with similar risks. With Rees, you fear that his lack of experience gets in the way. With someone like Moorhead, you lack continuity, and there's more question that the players will buy into his offense and more importantly, him as a coach. With Rees, that isn't an issue.

Yes, continuity of BK's grab bag, ineffective offense (unless it is against lower competition) is very important. Hiring a known commodity is dumb and Kelly was wise to not truly entertain it because continuity is key.