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Plenty of Kelly OCs have gone on to HC positions. Whether or not they were successful can't possibly be a reflection on Kelly. Not every coordinator hits as a HC. I would imagine many more don't than do in general. I doubt this is a deterrent for potential applicants.

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Charley Molnar (2010-11) - Head Coach of UMass, now WR and QB coach at Idaho
Chuck Martin (2012-13) - Head Coach at Miami (OH)
Mike Denbrock (2014) - OC/QB Coach Cincinnati
Mike Sanford (2015-16) - Head Coach Western Kentucky, OC Utah State, Co-OC/QB Minnesota
Chip Long (2017-19) - Unemployed

I wouldn't call any of this moving on to bigger/better things. Success at next position not considered.

As a former SEC Headcoach and 46 yo Joe Moorhead what does becoming the OC at ND do for my future career projection, which is already in the beginning of the latter stages, considering the past history of ND OC's?

Gets me a HC job in the MAC? another OC position in the American/Big Ten West?

I don't necessarily know the Oregon OC's that great but one has become UNLV head coach, two have became the eventual HC at Oregon and one of those went on to become Chicago Bears OC. That's significantly better IMO.

Agreed, big picture doesn't really matter. But, I think to say Book's ascension we witnessed through the later half of the year which ended with a crescendo performance against the 22nd ranked defense, when Rees was calling plays, is just a coincidence. Seems like a reach. Something changed and it certainly had to do with Rees. Hence two P5 programs taking time to interview him for vacant OC positions. With one of those programs being a top 5 team.

Not to mention the previous OC is still unemployed.
 

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NFL experience is good (IMO) because he starts with a massive playbook and has to boil things down to suit what he has on hand. So if he's willing to do the NFL thing then I think he at least has some experience adapting to the talent rather than vice versa.

He also has some excellent college experience. He was the passing game coordinator at Oklahoma State from 2002-2004 and returned there to serve as the outright OC and QB coach in 2011-2012. After that he spent three years with Southern Miss (going 1-11, 3-9, 9-5 and scoring a lot of points though I don't know how to put that in context). So he's got a nice track record of college success and I think ND needs a new OC to bring more of an NFL mentality to inheriting what is on hand.

The downside is that he is probably just a rental but I think he's the kind of rental that fits. The risk of a system guy coming in to be your rental is you get a reset period right at the beginning and you're maybe in a worse than usual spot if/when he leaves because it's harder to keep the thing going without him.

I've been seeing this a lot as a downside to Moorhead or Monken, but assistant coaches are always rentals. The good ones always move up and on. You know who wants to be an assistant for life? Venables and nobody.

Also to add on the system aspect, I don't think any smart and successful coach is bound to a system. They can all fit a scheme to their players. We need someone to bring SOMETHING new. If we just want to run Kelly's tired playbook then hire Rees and take the 8-10 wins with two blowouts.
 
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Oklahoma State had its two highest scoring seasons of the Mike Gundy era (15 seasons) with Monken as OC.

Southern Miss went from 112th to 13th in points per game from the year before Monken became HC to the his last year as HC.

No one really knows about his recruiting prowess or his desire to stick in one place/stay an OC, but his collegiate results speak for themselves

To add to that, in 2011 Monken rode Brandon Weeden to an outstanding year where he put up eye popping numbers (72.3% comp, 4,727 passing yards) and then put together a great offense again in 2012 despite the fact they had three QBs with at least 131 passing attempts. He's scored boatloads of points by turning a QB into a star performer and he's scored boatloads of points without a clear star at the position (Clint Chelf, J. W. Walsh, and Wes Lunt).
 

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To add to that, in 2011 Monken rode Brandon Weeden to an outstanding year where he put up eye popping numbers (72.3% comp, 4,727 passing yards) and then put together a great offense again in 2012 despite the fact they had three QBs with at least 131 passing attempts. He's scored boatloads of points by turning a QB into a star performer and he's scored boatloads of points without a clear star at the position (Clint Chelf, J. W. Walsh, and Wes Lunt).

He was also responsible for Justin Blackmon's meteoric rise. Came in as a 3 star, left one of the best to ever do it.
 

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First of all, here's what I actually said. And I said it in early November a month before it was reported anywhere that Long was going to be fired:


I later followed up to confirm Long's reduced role. And that is 100% a fact, per a source at practices.

People get hung up on the semantics of Rees "calling" plays. I can't tell you for certain what percentage of calls were off the script he put together with Kelly each week, and I can't tell you what percentage were made by Kelly, and I can't tell you what other offensive coaches had input. Only the people on the game day headsets can say that definitively. But what I can say is that he was de facto offensive coordinator and the primary driver behind the completely different passing game we saw after VT........ and that there is a reason he was "play caller" for Iowa State.
Even without any info, all you have to do is use your eyes on how little Long was involved with anything on the sideline over the last month of the season relative to the first 8 games, and then use some low level logic on what that means. And anyone who knows why Kelly has had friction with every single OC he has had from Molnar to Long will also tell you that play calling is a "collaborative" approach.

And it was arguably Book's best performance of the season when considering opponent. 1st or 2nd best for the offense overall. Even if that was his only 'audition' he absolutely crushed it.
 

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First of all, here's what I actually said. And I said it in early November a month before it was reported anywhere that Long was going to be fired:


I later followed up to confirm Long's reduced role. And that is 100% a fact, per a source at practices.

People get hung up on the semantics of Rees "calling" plays. I can't tell you for certain what percentage of calls were off the script he put together with Kelly each week, and I can't tell you what percentage were made by Kelly, and I can't tell you what other offensive coaches had input. Only the people on the game day headsets can say that definitively. But what I can say is that he was de facto offensive coordinator and the primary driver behind the completely different passing game we saw after VT........ and that there is a reason he was "play caller" for Iowa State.

Even without any info, all you have to do is use your eyes on how little Long was involved with anything on the sideline over the last month of the season relative to the first 8 games, and then use some low level logic on what that means. And anyone who knows why Kelly has had friction with every single OC he has had from Molnar to Long will also tell you that play calling is a "collaborative" approach.


I'm not posting this at you specifically, but for everyone who bought into the "Rees was calling plays, I heard it from someone" madness.

That caught way more momentum than it should have. I challenged it, shot it down, and got everyone off of that mess
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LOL - back to back posts...
 

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Where was Tom Clements' name during this process?

I haven't seen it anywhere. Then again, BK has had talks with a lot of names that haven't been made public so unsure if Clements is one of them.
 

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I haven't seen it anywhere. Then again, BK has had talks with a lot of names that haven't been made public so unsure if Clements is one of them.

I should've used a font or something. I was 100% joking.
 
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LOL - back to back posts...

Let the record show this is your response to my statement above:

"I'm not posting this at you specifically, but for everyone who bought into the "Rees was calling plays, I heard it from someone" madness. That caught way more momentum than it should have. I challenged it, shot it down, and got everyone off of that mess."



Who would like to report the murder about to happen below?



Post #43: “I heard that Rees called the last four games. I think that's especially interesting because that's when the offense really took off again.”

Irishlax Post #111: “And despite what has been leaked/publicly stated, this was effectively the 5th game in Rees' audition. They've all been impressive, but what was most impressive to me here was a glimpse towards a better blocking scheme.”

Post #122: “Those 5 games that Rees supposedly called plays for are should've been win games. How do we know that Alford hasn't had a hand in calling plays at OSU? If not Alford OK, but bring in new blood!”

Post #522: “Same dudes DON'T want Rees as OC, because we don't know enough about him, and there is a more experienced OC to be had. Conveniently, they ignore the fact that there is five games worth of evidence at the end of the season that prove that the dude can get it done.

Post #527: “This is incorrect. Lax was the first to come out and say right after the Navy game that he was told from a source Rees was in charge.

Post #541: “To make Koon's original point look even more foolish:

Passing average in first 7 games (Long): 215
Passing average in last 6 games (Rees): 257”


Irish Lion Post #553: “we have two mods and two other posters with sources saying Rees was at least in charge of the passing game after scUM.
 
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You try so hard and fail so much harder, lol. Might want to fact check post #553.
 
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You try so hard and fail so much harder, lol. Might want to fact check post #553.

Checked. No impact.

A recap of your day, on the other hand, is bully, continue to pedal false narratives (Rees was in charge), then make statements that are factually incorrect (YPA going up when it went down), then pivot to say "this game/those passes don't count" to reverse engineer into the truth, then make drive-by comments when I point out the inaccuracies.

Solid posting.
 
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I'm just here purely for the entertainment value.....(eats more popcorn!)......
 

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Let the record show this is your response to my statement above:

"I'm not posting this at you specifically, but for everyone who bought into the "Rees was calling plays, I heard it from someone" madness. That caught way more momentum than it should have. I challenged it, shot it down, and got everyone off of that mess."



Who would like to report the murder about to happen below?



Post #43: “I heard that Rees called the last four games. I think that's especially interesting because that's when the offense really took off again.”

Irishlax Post #111: “And despite what has been leaked/publicly stated, this was effectively the 5th game in Rees' audition. They've all been impressive, but what was most impressive to me here was a glimpse towards a better blocking scheme.”

Post #122: “Those 5 games that Rees supposedly called plays for are should've been win games. How do we know that Alford hasn't had a hand in calling plays at OSU? If not Alford OK, but bring in new blood!”

Post #522: “Same dudes DON'T want Rees as OC, because we don't know enough about him, and there is a more experienced OC to be had. Conveniently, they ignore the fact that there is five games worth of evidence at the end of the season that prove that the dude can get it done.

Post #527: “This is incorrect. Lax was the first to come out and say right after the Navy game that he was told from a source Rees was in charge.

Post #541: “To make Koon's original point look even more foolish:

Passing average in first 7 games (Long): 215
Passing average in last 6 games (Rees): 257”


Irish Lion Post #553: “we have two mods and two other posters with sources saying Rees was at least in charge of the passing game after scUM.

So LAX says it was post-VT, I heard it was post-scUM.

Either way, we both heard (in addition to two other posters that I won't mention) that Rees AT LEAST was coordinating the passing game (but likely more involved than that).

I don't know what "murder" you're referring to, unless you think Mike Frank is the end-all, be-all of ND football knowledge.

ISD sits on information or refutes information (if it's convenient for the coaching staff) all the time, particularly lately, because they're tight with the staff. They are basically ND state media at this point. It's great, because it doesn't ever put a recruit and their status with ND in jeopardy, and it keeps a lid on internal stuff to the team.

"We have this information, but we can't or won't share because we have to protect our relationship with the staff." That's normal journalism stuff when it comes to relationships with "sources."

"I've heard that rumor, and it's not credible." Also normal journalism stuff when you're looking out for the best interests of your sources, whether it's actually credible or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's shooting the Rees thing down because that's the story BK and staff want to stick with, despite what actually happened. I'm okay with it, because it's what's best for ND.
 
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So LAX says it was post-VT, I heard it was post-scUM.

Either way, we both heard (in addition to two other posters that I won't mention) that Rees AT LEAST was coordinating the passing game (but likely more involved than that).

I don't know what "murder" you're referring to, unless you think Mike Frank is the end-all, be-all of ND football knowledge.

ISD sits on information or refutes information (if it's convenient for the coaching staff) all the time, particularly lately, because they're tight with the staff. They are basically ND state media at this point. It's great, because it doesn't ever put a recruit and their status with ND in jeopardy, and it keeps a lid on internal stuff to the team.

"We have this information, but we can't or won't share because we have to protect our relationship with the staff." That's normal journalism stuff when it comes to relationships with "sources."

"I've heard that rumor, and it's not credible." Also normal journalism stuff when you're looking out for the best interests of your sources, whether it's actually credible or not.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's shooting the Rees thing down because that's the story BK and staff want to stick with, despite what actually happened. I'm okay with it, because it's what's best for ND.

It's not just Mike Frank that is 100% sure Rees didn't call a play until the bowl game.

There are posters on here that also know that's not true but they've been dead silent or made a small "that's not true" comment that gets glossed over due to the peddling momentum of the "Rees took over 2nd half" crap (paraphrasing).
 

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It's not just Mike Frank that is 100% sure Rees didn't call a play until the bowl game.

There are posters on here that also know that's not true but they've been dead silent or made a small "that's not true" comment that gets glossed over due to the peddling momentum of the "Rees took over 2nd half" BS (paraphrasing).

People on here don't deserve to be mislead.
You make make what should be an enjoyable escape from reality a GD chore. Hope you're proud. Who am I kidding, we know you're proud.

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You make make what should be an enjoyable escape from reality a GD chore. Hope you're proud. Who am I kidding, we know you're proud.

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If you want to live in mislead delusion, be my guest.

None of this happens if mods don't put an unsubstantiated rumor out there, let it grow, water it every day, make sure it gets some sunshine... then on top of that introduce statements of facts that are upside down.

And never own up or say "my bad".
 

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If you want to live in mislead delusion, be my guest.



None of this happens if mods don't put an unsubstantiated rumor out there, let it grow, water it every day, make sure it gets some sunshine... then on top of that introduce statements of facts that are upside down.



And never own up or say "my bad".
No one is asking you to champion for us. We're all free thinkers. If we have a problem with the content of this site and its mods, we'll either speak up or go elsewhere. It's time to put an end to the charade. You're not impressing anyone. Quite the opposite.

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No one is asking you to champion for us. We're all free thinkers. If we have a problem with the content of this site and its mods, we'll either speak up or go elsewhere. It's time to put an end to the charade. You're not impressing anyone. Quite the opposite.

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That's good that you do. But as you can see based on the steam this got, that's not true for the majority.

People listen to the mods and so there's a certain level of accountability that should come with that respect.
 

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That's good that you do. But as you can see based on the steam this got, that's not true for the majority.



People listen to the mods and so there's a certain level of accountability that should come with that respect.
But no one is asking you to police that philosophy of yours. It's your crusade and your crusade only. Take that shit to PM with the mod(s) in question and quit clogging the threads with stupid side banter.

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That's good that you do. But as you can see based on the steam this got, that's not true for the majority.

People listen to the mods and so there's a certain level of accountability that should come with that respect.

I swear I'm not saying this to sound cool, or as a humble brag, or to make people feel left out, or to say "I have info you don't have"...

But in terms of accountability, you would be AMAZED at the amount of stuff the mods hear, source with each other, discuss, source some more, and then discuss some more that NEVER hits the board, precisely because we want to be accountable.

If it hits the board, chances are that we've vetted it with more care and a more thorough accounting than most real journalists would lol.
 
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But no one is asking you to police that philosophy of yours. It's your crusade and your crusade only. Take that shit to PM with the mod(s) in question and quit clogging the threads with stupid side banter.

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So mods can introduce untrue things for the board to eat up, but calling them out and question that needs to be hidden?

I'll likely be banned in the AM so you won't have to worry about it. But I hope others grow some healthy skepticism going forward. I hope others can get to a point where they're not too proud to say "my bad", rather than result to moving the goal post or insulting as their only tool in the box.

Adios.
 

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I swear I'm not saying this to sound cool, or as a humble brag, or to make people feel left out, or to say "I have info you don't have"...

But in terms of accountability, you would be AMAZED at the amount of stuff the mods hear, source with each other, discuss, source some more, and then discuss some more that NEVER hits the board, precisely because we want to be accountable.

If it hits the board, chances are that we've vetted it with more care and a more thorough accounting than most real journalists would lol.

what did Davonte do?!
 

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So mods can introduce untrue things for the board to eat up, but calling them out and question that needs to be hidden?

I'll likely be banned in the AM so you won't have to worry about it. But I hope others grow some healthy skepticism going forward. I hope others can get to a point where they're not too proud to say "my bad", rather than result to moving the goal post or insulting as their only tool in the box.

Adios.

can you at least say my bad about the passing game not improving in the second half of the season?

I dont really care to point at the whys or whos. just say my bad, on thinking it didnt improve, it did.

then you can get back to the goal post change on the who's/why's after that
 
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can you at least say my bad about the passing game not improving in the second half of the season?

I dont really care to point at the whys or whos. just say my bad, on thinking it didnt improve, it did.

then you can get back to the goal post change on the who's/why's after that

I'm not claiming it got worse, I said I didn't buy that it improved.

Book's QBR went up marginally.

YPA went down marginally.
 
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