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IrishLion

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My go-to cheap beer is Rolling Rock.

I used to be able to grab a 30-rack on Friday night or Saturday afternoon for $13. They were always dusty, so I knew they never sold. Always had to look for the dates to make sure they weren't too skunked.

But, as I started to stop in and take them up on their ridiculous offer for what I think is actually a really good light beer, they started raising the price on me. I think that I single-handedly floated the Rolling Rock market at my local liquore store. I know for a fact that nobody else was buying them, but the price increased by a dollar three different times on me. I stopped buying once they hit $16. No way they should treat their only Rolling Rock customer like that.

As for malt liquor, we do Edward 40-Hands with Steel Reserve every year the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. That's the only malt liquor I have experience with.
 

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My go-to cheap beer is Rolling Rock.

I used to be able to grab a 30-rack on Friday night or Saturday afternoon for $13. They were always dusty, so I knew they never sold. Always had to look for the dates to make sure they weren't too skunked.

But, as I started to stop in and take them up on their ridiculous offer for what I think is actually a really good light beer, they started raising the price on me. I think that I single-handedly floated the Rolling Rock market at my local liquore store. I know for a fact that nobody else was buying them, but the price increased by a dollar three different times on me. I stopped buying once they hit $16. No way they should treat their only Rolling Rock customer like that.

As for malt liquor, we do Edward 40-Hands with Steel Reserve every year the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. That's the only malt liquor I have experience with.

Rolling Rock makes me poop.

E40 with Steel Reserve? That sounds horrible.
 
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Oh for the good old days :

Nickle then dime beer nights in Texas;

Stroh's Tall Boys in the summer sun at MIS;*

Mickey's and Little Kings Cream Ale.

Not so good things : 3.2 Beer, Boone's Farm, etc.

Speaking of Stroh's. When I was in the service, I found out something really interesting! West coasters loved them some Stroh's, probably because they couldn't get it out there. And flatlanders from back home definitely had a thing for Coors, because, of course, it was unavailable here.

I cannot tell you how many times I loaded up here with all the cases of Stroh's I could fit into what I was driving heading west, getting a favorable trade for Coors, returning with that Colorado Sunshine and making a killing. Once I rented a small truck, with all but the tail end full, and returned with just as much Coors. I made a fortune, above rental and operation costs. This all fit into my travel plans, because I usually got paid by the mile, and instead of buying airline tickets or flying military, I drove.

Also Military ID's seemed to deflect any questions about residency or the quantities I was buying. Only did it a couple of times a year, but I would net more than a month's pay!
 

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Oh for the good old days :

Nickle then dime beer nights in Texas;

Stroh's Tall Boys in the summer sun at MIS;*

Mickey's and Little Kings Cream Ale.

Not so good things : 3.2 Beer, Boone's Farm, etc.

Speaking of Stroh's. When I was in the service, I found out something really interesting! West coasters loved them some Stroh's, probably because they couldn't get it out there. And flatlanders from back home definitely had a thing for Coors, because, of course, it was unavailable here.

I cannot tell you how many times I loaded up here with all the cases of Stroh's I could fit into what I was driving heading west, getting a favorable trade for Coors, returning with that Colorado Sunshine and making a killing. Once I rented a small truck, with all but the tail end full, and returned with just as much Coors. I made a fortune, above rental and operation costs. This all fit into my travel plans, because I usually got paid by the mile, and instead of buying airline tickets or flying military, I drove.

Also Military ID's seemed to deflect any questions about residency or the quantities I was buying. Only did it a couple of times a year, but I would net more than a month's pay!

Back in the 70's my parents had a deal with a US Postal OTR driver that drove Denver to somewhere east of Indiana to drop off as much as he could fit. His CB handle was Sargent Major and he stopped every week in our CB Shop and my folks traded CB radios / electronics / fireworks / whatever for the Banquet. They then did just as you did. Because of Smokey and the Bandit at the height of the CB craze, Coors was like liquid gold. My Dad used to tell me Coors was gonna put me through college.
 
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Back in the 70's my parents had a deal with a US Postal OTR driver that drove Denver to somewhere east of Indiana to drop off as much as he could fit. His CB handle was Sargent Major and he stopped every week in our CB Shop and my folks traded CB radios / electronics / fireworks / whatever for the Banquet. They then did just as you did. Because of Smokey and the Bandit at the height of the CB craze, Coors was like liquid gold. My Dad used to tell me Coors was gonna put me through college.

See!

(Boy do we have a lot in common!)
 

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Here's a blogpost by Sam Kriss titled "Neil DeGrasse Tyson: pedantry in space":

Something terrible happened to you in outer space. All you can remember are the last few moments, the sun fading to a speck as you and your crew broke free from the solar system, the ship’s systems suddenly shutting down, the panic and blackness inside, shouting and sobbing, outside the phosphorescent fringes of the wormhole as it opened up in front of you – and then you woke up, sweat-slick in your own bed at sunrise, with the birds singing outside, in another universe. You are trapped in the world of the popular TV astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson, and you know this, because here the sunrise isn’t a sunrise at all. In fact, the earth is a sphere orbiting the sun, so the sun does not in any sense actually ‘rise’ – it’s just that you happen to be positioned right on the moving line, known as the ‘terminator’, that separates the illuminated portion of the planet from its dark side. And the birds singing aren’t really singing – actually, they’re just emitting a series of noises without any of the tonal qualities that distinguish singing from other vocal emissions. And the bed isn’t yours, because scientists have never been able to find any way of isolating ‘ownership’ in the physical composition of any object. You jump out of bed and start banging frantically at the walls. Is there no way out? Where are your crew? You rush to the window, and almost collapse in horror. It’s all there, spread out in front of you, exactly like home: everything is exactly the same, but in this sick parody of a universe it’s all been twisted into something hollow, meaningless, and mercilessly dull.

Pink strands of cloud fizzle up from the horizon, and you know that actually the horizon is just the curvature of the earth, and that the clouds, which were once believed to be inhabited by angels, house nothing of the sort. A few people are already outside in the streets below you, jogging, going to work, but they’re not really people. Actually, they’re just apes of the family Hominidae, most closely related to the genus Pan, going about their ape-business, which remains primarily motivated by the ape-needs of food, shelter, and sex. There is nothing that isn’t instantly boring. It’s too much. You rush into the kitchen, rattling the drawer in sheer panic (actually just dyspnea, tachycardia and dilation of the pupils caused by a surge of epinephrine in your body), pull out the knife (actually just a piece of metal attached to a piece of wood), and open your wrists. The blood (which was once thought to be one of the four humours, governing personality traits, but which is actually primarily used to transmit oxygen) glugs out, darker in colour and slower than you’d expected. It’ll be over now, you think. But actually, you’re not dying: you’re just a collection of atoms, and every single one of those atoms will remain. Not only are you in this universe, this universe is in you.

Neil deGrasse Tyson is, supposedly, an educator and a populariser of science; it’s his job to excite people about the mysteries of the universe, communicate information, and correct popular misconceptions. This is a noble, arduous, and thankless job, which might be why he doesn’t do it. What he actually does is make the universe boring, tell people things that they already know, and dispel misconceptions that nobody actually holds. In his TV appearances, puppeted by an invisible army of scriptwriters, this tendency is barely held in check, but in his lectures or on the internet it’s torrential; a seeping flood of grey goo, paring down the world to its driest, dullest, most colourless essentials. He likes to watch scifi films, and point out all the inaccuracies. Actually, lasers wouldn’t make any sound in space; actually a light year is a unit of space rather than time; actually, none of this is real, it’s just a collection of still images projected at speed to present the illusion of movement, and all the characters are just actors who have never really been into outer space. When the rapper B.o.B. started loudly declaring that there’s a vast conspiracy to hide that fact that the world is really flat, Neil deGrasse Tyson immediately jumped in to refute him, even featuring on a eye-stabbingly awful rap song insisting that ‘B.o.B. gotta know that the planet is a sphere, G’ – a passionate, useless, and embarrassing defence of the blindingly obvious. In a world that’s simply given, brute fact, any attempt to imagine it into an entirely different shape must be stamped out. Why? The subject-matter is cosmic and transcendental, the object-cause is petty and stupid. Neil deGrasse Tyson strides onto stage to say that actually the Earth orbits the sun, that actually living beings gain their traits through evolutionary processes, that actually your hand has five fingers, that actually cows go moo, that actually poo comes out your bum – and you are then supposed to think yes, I knew that, and imagine someone else, someone who didn’t know it already, some idiot, and think: I’m better than that person, I’m so much smarter than everyone else.

A decent name for this tendency, for stars and spaceships recast as the instruments of a joyless and pedantic class spite, would be I Fucking Love Science. ‘Science’ here has very little to do with the scientific method itself; it means ontological physicalism, not believing in our Lord Jesus Christ, hating the spectrally stupid, and, more than anything, pretty pictures of nebulae and tree frogs. ‘Science’ comes to metonymically refer to the natural world, the object of science; it’s like describing a crime as ‘the police,’ or the ocean as ‘drinking.’ What ‘I Fucking Love Science’ actually means is ‘I Fucking Love Existing Conditions.’ But because the word ‘science’ still pings about between the limits of a discourse that depends on the exclusion of alternate modes of knowledge, the natural world of I Fucking Love Science is presented as being essentially a series of factual statements. There are no things, there are only truths. The fact that the earth is a sphere is vast and ponderous: you stand on its grinding surface, as that fact carries you on its heavy plod around our nearest star. The fact that the forms of organic life emerge through Darwinian evolution is fractal and distributed, so that little fragments of that fact will bark at you in the street or dart chirping overhead. The fact that there is no God, being a negative statement, is invisible, but you know for certain that it’s out there.

Which is not to say that there’s any requirement that these facts be true. None of this is real. Those multicoloured nebulae are not real objects, they exist only in fantastic pictures overlaid with Neil deGrasse Tyson’s face and some vague sentiments about how wonderful the universe is when it’s very far away from human life. The images are digitally stitched together, the colours are fake, the shapes are not anything that could actually be seen out the window of your spaceship, a real-life nebula is about as exciting as a damp fog. If you’re going to love the natural world, really Fucking Love it, it’s best that you know as little about it as possible, or it might start to seem less lovable. Like when Neil DeGrasse Tyson quipped that ‘if ever there were a species for which sex hurt, it surely went extinct long ago.’ It’s a perfect Tyson fact, true because it’s basically tautologous, its scientific quality having everything to do with the idea that actual phenomena are just instantiations of abstract laws, and nothing to do with any scientific observation, such as listening to the yelps of cats fucking at night, or to women. Or when his TV show Cosmos described the sixteeth-century astrologer Giordano Bruno as a martyr for science, executed by the Catholic church for proposing a heliocentric solar system. See how the idiots persecute us, the rational, with their superstition and their hostility to objective thought. The reality – that Bruno believed in magic, worshipped the ancient Egyptian god Thoth, and was executed not for heliocentrism but for denying the divinity of Christ – is ignored, because that isn’t Fucking Science Love. Or when he decided that ‘Italy valued cathedrals while Spain valued explorers. So worldwide, five times as many people speak Spanish than Italian.’ A spurious reconstruction of the past from present conditions, or the I Fucking Love Scientific theory of history: successful tribes were populated by little atavistic Carl Sagans; if Italians didn’t slaughter millions in the New World it isn’t because the peninsula was at the time fractured into multiple city-states (some of them occupied by, uh, Spain) which supplied significant amounts of capital rather than colonists, it’s because they weren’t interested in spaceships.

But all this is pedantry, the perverse insistence on how the world is, the total apathy to how it could be different. Pedantry could be broadly defined as a hostility to metaphor, the demand that every object stand for itself and nothing else, that words function in the same way as numbers. Which is why it’s pointless to criticise Neil deGrasse Tyson or the I Fucking Love Scientists for being the pompous, self-important, and utterly cretinous pedants that they are: it’s just falling back into their own dismal, boring logic, insisting that a thing is what it is rather than something else. It won’t help you, lying dazed on the lino, the blood now spluttering in half-congealed dribs from your arms, running diagonally to the corner of the room, where the cat is skittishly starting to lap it up with tiny flicks of its tongue. You lie there, and you try to remember if you ever did really go into outer space. It was so black out there, you remember. And all the stars were so far apart.
 

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Hardly. Kriss' point is that the scientism promoted by guys like Tyson and Nye is just fundamentalism of a different sort. Sad irony.

I don't particularly like Tyson, either. But this piece is just awful, playing into the false notion that spiritual inspiration and scientific reality are necessarily dichotomous. Tyson is pedantic, but much of that is that his audience is very broad and woefully undereducated in reality. We live in a country where the majority of people believe seasons are dictated by the Earth's distance from the sun, a fact which is painfully embarrassing. It is possible and reasonable to believe in science as divine revelation. Detailed understanding does not diminish the beauty of a thing. A classical musician does not stop appreciating opera because they can play; the artist does not think less of Picasso having learned his characteristics, style, and inspiration. Why, then, does it follow that a deep knowledge of the universe obviates the deep wonder it inspires?
 

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I don't particularly like Tyson, either. But this piece is just awful, playing into the false notion that spiritual inspiration and scientific reality are necessarily dichotomous. Tyson is pedantic, but much of that is that his audience is very broad and woefully undereducated in reality. We live in a country where the majority of people believe seasons are dictated by the Earth's distance from the sun, a fact which is painfully embarrassing. It is possible and reasonable to believe in science as divine revelation. Detailed understanding does not diminish the beauty of a thing. A classical musician does not stop appreciating opera because they can play; the artist does not think less of Picasso having learned his characteristics, style, and inspiration. Why, then, does it follow that a deep knowledge of the universe obviates the deep wonder it inspires?

Isn't that false dichotomy exactly what Kriss is mocking? I shared this blogpost because it comes close to articulating why I find Tyson so annoying in (what I thought was) a light-hearted sort of way. But having re-read it, it mostly comes across as cynical and sarcastic. I'll move this to the Off-Topic Posts thread in order to keep this thread clean for Cosmos fans. Apologies if I gave offense.
 

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If Loy blows our chance here because he has to be the first one to 'break' something I'm going to be furious. He was not the first person to know this, but better reporters kept this under wraps for a reason.
 

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If Loy blows our chance here because he has to be the first one to 'break' something I'm going to be furious. He was not the first person to know this, but better reporters kept this under wraps for a reason.

That would suck but the guy is doing his job. Unless he was told by his source that he could not reveal something, I don't have a problem with it.
 

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That would suck but the guy is doing his job. Unless he was told by his source that he could not reveal something, I don't have a problem with it.

The source on the prospect side is not the only piece of a recruitment who would benefit or ask for someone not to reveal something at a certain time.
 

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The source on the prospect side is not the only piece of a recruitment who would benefit or ask for someone not to reveal something at a certain time.

So how risky is it for ND's chances that Loy is putting this information out there?
 

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Yup, I'm not sure I've ever heard ISD being the one to break news too early.
 

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The source on the prospect side is not the only piece of a recruitment who would benefit or ask for someone not to reveal something at a certain time.

I understand that, but it's not Loy's job to check with anyone who might be affected to determine whether or not to release something. It might be a bad business decision for himself/247, but it wasn't unethical or anything like that.
 
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If the recruit asks Loy not to change his CB, he holds off even though he wants to change it. He did that for one of our 2015 commits.
 

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I understand that, but it's not Loy's job to check with anyone who might be affected to determine whether or not to release something. It might be a bad business decision for himself/247, but it wasn't unethical or anything like that.

Nothing ethical involved in this one. It is simply a matter of possibly hurting ND's recruiting chances with Beal for a 'scoop'. Probably a fine business decision for him personally, but I just wonder would his subscribers (presumably ND fans) prefer to find out something like this a few weeks later and improve their chances at a 5 star DE, or find out ASAP and risk worse odds?

Seems like you are fine with the latter, but personally I prefer the former in these cases.
 

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with these southern recruits the less anyone knows about them even thinking about coming here the better. too many damn people who know zero about ND to screw it all up.
damn Loy...
 
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Nothing ethical involved in this one. It is simply a matter of possibly hurting ND's recruiting chances with Beal for a 'scoop'. Probably a fine business decision for him personally, but I just wonder would his subscribers (presumably ND fans) prefer to find out something like this a few weeks later and improve their chances at a 5 star DE, or find out ASAP and risk worse odds?

Seems like you are fine with the latter, but personally I prefer the former in these cases.

Or Beal doesn't care about a CB, so it's nothing and he's just doing his job. Probably more likely.

I'd like to see the % of recruits that change their mind on a visit based on a CB change.

He's not committed, is he? Then why would he care what happens to his CBs.
 
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Or Beal doesn't care about a CB, so it's nothing and he's just doing his job. Probably more likely.

I'd like to see the % of recruits that change their mind on a visit based on a CB change.

He's not committed, is he? Then why would he care what happens to his CBs.

Did you read what I wrote? What does a CB have to do with anything? It's the effect of Loy reporting the visit and ND being back in that I am talking about. And we have absolutely seen before ND being adversely affected by leaking of information about ND's stance with kids hurt them several times, including very recently (cough Caleb Kelly cough)/
 
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Did you read what I wrote? What does a CB have to do with anything? It's the effect of Loy reporting the visit and ND being back in that I am talking about. And we have absolutely seen before ND being adversely affected by leaking of information about ND's stance with kids hurt them several times, including very recently (cough Caleb Kelly cough)/

I bet it doesn't matter to Beal at all that Loy announced an uncommitted prospect might make a summer visit.

So you can raise a stink, but I don't think it matters. This kid isn't committed to a school or a Brady Hoke.
 

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Nothing ethical involved in this one. It is simply a matter of possibly hurting ND's recruiting chances with Beal for a 'scoop'. Probably a fine business decision for him personally, but I just wonder would his subscribers (presumably ND fans) prefer to find out something like this a few weeks later and improve their chances at a 5 star DE, or find out ASAP and risk worse odds?

Seems like you are fine with the latter, but personally I prefer the former in these cases.

If a two weeks wait on info being leaked , in may, kills this recruitment then we prolly didn't stand much a chance anyways. Just my opinion.

But if does, then def fuck Loy.
 
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To recap, we're freaking out about an uncommitted player, making a summer visit (that he already made last year) to a school that he's already said is his dream school, and no reason at all to think Loy just blew the chance of that visit by reporting the news.

There are probably what, 4,000 summer visits reported for uncommitted players over the summer? I doubt 5 of them make a visit decision based on someone finding out.

Committed prospect, different story, bust still a fraction.

I'm as recruiting-jaded as the next, but come on!
 
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To recap, we're freaking out about an uncommitted player, making a summer visit (that he already made last year) to a school that he's already said is his dream school, and no reason at all to think Loy just blew the chance of that visit by reporting the news.

There are probably what, 4,000 summer visits reported for uncommitted players over the summer? I doubt 5 of them make a visit decision based on someone finding out.

Committed prospect, different story, bust still a fraction.

I'm as recruiting-jaded as the next, but come on!

No one said anything about blowing our chances of him visiting. Come on man. 'Chances of him visiting' does not equal 'chances with him'. Come on.
 

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I bet it doesn't matter to Beal at all that Loy announced an uncommitted prospect might make a summer visit.

So you can raise a stink, but I don't think it matters. This kid isn't committed to a school or a Brady Hoke.

Dude, again, no one is saying it matters to Beal about a visit. Totally missing the point.

Agree to disagree, or see things differently.
 
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