Nov 1 | Navy

[Hammer Of The Gods]

im sick of this "tremendous amount of mutual respect" crap. How is sissy cut blocks all game respectful? They run a scheme that boarderline injures guys on purpose ( I know it's legal, but damn). This game pisses me off every year for multiple reasons.

 

[pkt77242]

I disagree that Kelly called a good game. He made several glaring questionable decisions and I almost NEVER question the game plan and more often than not am complimentary of BK's game planning.

Why can't we see the FSU play calling all the time? The aggressiveness, the fearlessness. BK goes into this shell against bad teams and goes to his comfort blanket: Cam McDaniel. That sequence in the 4th quarter just perfectly encapsulated what I'm talking about. We stop them on 4th down. Have a sequence of head scratching play calls with Cam as the feature back. Going for either FG was a bad decision but going for both was just stupefying. It's like BK was afraid to score again or something. Completely horrible play calling and questionable (at best) decision making down the stretch.

Cam is a good guy I'm sure and a nice back. But I don't want to see him in the games any more. Certainly not TF is flowing. TF is the in the zone, we need ride the hot hand. Why does he have this fetish with Cam? Cam's momentum killing 1 yard runs need to stop.

Cam had 6 carries, Folston had 20. The back up running back is going to get some carries. In fact Folston had a rough drive right around then as well. Once we went to trying to run every play Navy did a better job of stopping it.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm ready to replace Navy on the schedule.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Love a tough fought game.

But Kelly went way too conservative with 9ish mins left...

After the 4th down turnover, we should have went for the throat. Instead, predictable runs forcing long field goals.

 

[greyhammer90]

If Navy did not help ND out during WW2 it would not exist you do realize that right? It's not about "Disney" moments it's about respect and honoring the traditions, people and institutions that helped you become what you are. It's pretty disappointing to me that you as a ND fan don't get one of the most basic things that makes Notre Dame a team worth cheering for.

Hey look it's the old "Navy saved us last century YOU DO REALIZE THAT RIGHT?!?!" guy. Once again, not saying we shouldn't play them, but this alma mater singing, don't score too much on them, let's all talk about how much we respect them every interview bullsh*t can go the way of the dodo as far as I'm concerned.

We owe them so we play them to give them exposure and a financial boost. We don't owe them a "thank god for you guys, you're our heros" mindset.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Hey look it's the old "Navy saved us last century YOU DO REALIZE THAT RIGHT?!?!" guy. Once again, not saying we shouldn't play them, but this alma mater singing, don't score too much on them, let's all talk about how much we respect them every interview bullsh*t can go the way of the dodo as far as I'm concerned.

We owe them so we play them to give them exposure and a financial boost. We don't owe them a "thank god for you guys, you're our heros" mindset.

Agree 100%

 

[Irish2155]

Navy is so hard to play, really hard to judge the D on this. But they sucked, tonight.

EG now, he is something else. When all is said and done, he'll be at the Heisman ceremony.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

conner_in, come on man. Navy hasn't beat anybody good.

Lost to W. Kentucky, Rutgers, and Air Force.

And almost beat us, and you compared that to Arkansas. Who lost to Alabama by 1, almost beat the #1 team????

Come on!

This win will hurt us in the rankings, and it should we looked like crap.

We have to take care of our future business. But, this doesn't help us at all

 

[Butchie]

One thing we can say is this was another piss poor coached game by Brian Kelly and staff.

Stupid. Just a stupid post & opinion. We put up 49 points. Offense was fine but the D got trampled. Shame cause BVG is one of the best. There is a glaring problem though.

 

[pkt77242]

conner_in, come on man. Navy hasn't beat anybody good.

Lost to W. Kentucky, Rutgers, and Air Force.

And almost beat us, and you compared that to Arkansas. Who lost to Alabama by 1, almost beat the #1 team????

Come on!

This win will hurt us in the rankings, and it should we looked like crap.

We have to take care of our future business. But, this doesn't help us at all

I get what you are saying but Arkansas' best win is Texas Tech whose best win is Kansas. Lets not go around pretending that Arkansas has beaten anyone worth a shit either.

 

[irishfan]

I wish we didn't play Navy, but at the end of the day you have to respect tradition. We might not exist if not for them. For everyone who says "whatever, that was the 40s" what if Navy neglected us nowadays when we were facing going extinct? At the end of the day, if you don't respect your tradition, you have nothing. We're no different than Maryland or TCU if we do that.

 

[Butchie]

Kelly is not a great head coach. He makes way to many bad decisions.

Dumb ass statement. ND is the issue, not BK.

 

[MNIrishman]

Dumb ass statement. ND is the issue, not BK.

Dumbass statement. Oversimplification of the issues is the issue.

ND does make things harder on itself than it has to sometimes. It also has some recruiting advantages other schools lack (the academic reputation allows us to attract players like Max Redfield, for example.)

BK is a great, great football coach. He also sometimes makes mistakes in play-calling. I'm not sure that's debatable. Remember Tulsa 2010? At halftime of our game tonight, he even said that he blew the playcall before the half. It happens. He can be a great coach and still make mistakes.

 

[stlnd01]

At halftime of our game tonight, he even said that he blew the playcall before the half. It happens. He can be a great coach and still make mistakes.

He was covering for Golson, for whatever internal reasons. It was a bad throw. EG totally missed the safety sitting on the route.
But Kelly's a great coach. If you don't see that at this point, I don't know what to say. Those saying otherwise are nearly as misguided as those saying we should drop Navy. They're a tough out. We won. On to the next...

 

[Buster Bluth]

im sick of this "tremendous amount of mutual respect" crap. How is sissy cut blocks all game respectful? They run a scheme that boarderline injures guys on purpose ( I know it's legal, but damn). This game pisses me off every year for multiple reasons.

Are you angry when ND does it? Every team in America does it.

 

[BGIF]

Kelly is not a great head coach. He makes way to many bad decisions.

Yeah, he could never win 200 games, ever, right?

He could never win .733 of his ND games, right?

No, he's not one of the great ones at ND like Rockne, Layden, Leahy, Parseghian, Devine and Holtz. Their winning percentage was a minimum of .764. Kelly's only .733, no comparison.

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Didnt get to watch most of game, but not 1 carry for Bryant against navy? A team he should easily be able to break the ankles of. Also I see only 26 rb runs. shouldnt the plan be to pound all day killing clock and keeping d off field. Saw morgan in, in last minute. I assumed he was set for redshirt since mo action since like first 2 games, cant say ive noticed him on special teams.

 

[dublinirish]

Didnt get to watch most of game, but not 1 carry for Bryant against navy? A team he should easily be able to break the ankles of. Also I see only 26 rb runs. shouldnt the plan be to pound all day killing clock and keeping d off field. Saw morgan in, in last minute. I assumed he was set for redshirt since mo action since like first 2 games, cant say ive noticed him on special teams.

morgan has been on every kickoff all year. He lines up at L1 right beside Brindza don't know how you would miss him lol

 

[Huntr]

Didnt get to watch most of game, but not 1 carry for Bryant against navy? A team he should easily be able to break the ankles of.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>For those wondering, I’m told Greg Bryant was injured tonight, which was the reason he did not play.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/status/528771266338390016">November 2, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Buster Bluth]

To put close games in perspective:

2002: ND 30-23
2003: ND 27-24
2007: NAVY WON

2008: ND 27-21
2009: NAVY WON
2010: NAVY WON
2013: ND 38-34

So since Paul Johnson and Ken Niumatalolo have been the Navy coaches it's consistently been a close game or a loss every other game.

 

[yankeeND]

To put close games in perspective:

2002: ND 30-23
2003: ND 27-24
2007: NAVY WON

2008: ND 27-21
2009: NAVY WON
2010: NAVY WON
2013: ND 38-34

So since Paul Johnson and Ken Niumatalolo have been the Navy coaches it's consistently been a close game or a loss every other game.

Yup, so wining is all that matters and we did just that! It was a tough game no doubt, but you just put the recent history of the series into perspective.

 

[ickythump1225]

Cam had 6 carries, Folston had 20. The back up running back is going to get some carries. In fact Folston had a rough drive right around then as well. Once we went to trying to run every play Navy did a better job of stopping it.

My problem isn't that the back up gets carries, it's when he gets carries and the context of the situation. When Cam's very secure 1 yard run up the gut gets stuffed on 1st down the proper play call isn't to run it again on 2nd down. You can't ice an 11 point game with 9-10 minutes left which was what BK was trying to do. Also when Folston is in rhythm why take him out and then let Cam's 1 yard gain break the momentum of the drive? I understand you can't run Folston every play but man BK seems to pick the worst times to insert Cam.

I don't want to come off as overly critical of BK because I'm not one of those guys who second guesses all of BK's decisions. Most of the time BK calls a good game. My only nitpick with him is he seems to coach to the level of the competition. The 2012 Oklahoma game and the FSU game this year were BK at his best and they were excellent. But when we play Purdue, Syracuse, Navy, etc. it seems like he goes into this shell. Yeah we win, and that is why this is only a nitpick but it leads to frustration and close games. Sometimes I feel we play with fire with some of these lesser teams.

 

[BobbyMac]

What was the attendance for the game?

* I just saw 39,XXX. Is that paid or physical, not sure how the NCAA reports that?

 

[BGIF]

What was the attendance for the game?

* I just saw 39,XXX. Is that paid or physical, not sure how the NCAA reports that?

< 37K

 

[BigIrish]

What was the attendance for the game?

* I just saw 39,XXX. Is that paid or physical, not sure how the NCAA reports that?

Typically, the home team reports the attendance, not the NCAA. There are a variety of ways to report attendance, and there is not one single formula for doing so. Because a college's athletics designation (ie, D1, DII, etc.) is based in part upon home game attendance, they can get pretty creative about how they count attendance. Just ask UM's stadium attendants how they get away with reporting sellouts when there are empty seats everywhere you look.

 

[Circa]

Are you kidding me? Navy isn't a top 50 team. They are getting owned by terrible schools and they almost neat ND. This game should never be close.

You my friend have some more football to watch. Soccer doesn't count

 

[Riddickulous]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Notre Dame now 2-6 in last eight years the week after Navy. Next year's potential post-Mids hangover opponent? USC.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/status/531306122309668866">November 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Interesting.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Notre Dame now 2-6 in last eight years the week after Navy. Next year's potential post-Mids hangover opponent? USC.</p>— Irish Illustrated (@NDatRivals) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDatRivals/status/531306122309668866">November 9, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Interesting.

Fantastic


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[anarin]

So maybe schedule a bye week after navy EVERY TIME?

 

[BGIF]

The premise is Navy's cut blocks have lingering impact on defenders.

So explain how that impacts the OFFENSIVE LINES ability to block?

How does that impact the ability to identify a blitz and function as a unit?

How does it impact the RBs picking up a blitzer?

How does it impact turnovers the next week?

Did the Navy cut blocks against ND enable ASU's DE's to have their arms raised while rushing to block passes which resulted in INTs?

Did the rugged Navy play prevent Robinson from catching a ball thrown on his numbers that bounced off his hands into a defenders?


Navy's play impacts defensive players. We lost more defenders to academic fraud than cut blocks.

The ND extremely young NON-Senior Defense weren't on the field for EITHER Pick 6!

They didn't give the ball to ASU in the Red Zone multiple times. The Offense did.

The young defense did play well enough for ND to win ... without the offense's gifts.


Ironically the game color commentator kept talking about how ND's OLine needed to cut block the ASU DEs to stop their outstretched arms from deflecting passes.