NDNation

[woolybug25]

Seriously... do the posters on NDNation even like Notre Dame? Their negativity and constant cry-baby attitude is absurd. During USC week, there were more threads about Jumbotrons and Field Turf (they don't want either) than the upcoming game. Every damn post on the site is whining about something. They think Kelly is a shanty-mick, they hate anything new that ND tries to do to stay modern, they simply hate everything about this team. So this thread is dedicated to share idiotic posts from that site. Here we go.

"He keeps says he's having trouble getting the lads to play like he wants them to, but sooner or later they will. And I keep thinking, "That's what we're afraid of, coach. That's what we're all afraid of."

"I fear that not only does Kelly's coaching philosophy not fit here at ND, he, himself, was not and likely won't ever be ready to handle the limelight and the pressures and problems it can create if you don't know how to speak, act, handle yourself under the glare."

"A shanty divided against itself cannot stand"

"The problem is that this mutiny will tank this season, and recruiting, and then Kelly will get one more year, because Swarbrick is not a man of bold moves. Then in 2012, a dispirited team and desperate coach will get *** pounded. New coach in 2013."

"The truth is this - ND football died some time ago, and it is the direct result of poor management. I'm not sure if it flatlined against Syracuse in 2008, or against USC in 2002, against MSU in 2005, against Navy in 2010, or against Vanderbilt in 1995, but it sure as **** is dead now."

With fans like these, who needs enemies....

 

[Domina Nostra]

Could not agree more.

If Michigan or USC fans got together to create a fake ND site for the sole purpose of undermining the team and making the fans look like jerks, they could not do better job than NDNation is already doing.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Worst Message Board on the Internet. Ever.


WORST.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

It's one thing to criticize occasionally the things that irk us and its another to be negative all the time. I will stick with IE myself because we really do have some great fans here and I like the info and discussions here better than anywhere else.

 

[Woneone]

Couldn't agree more.

I didn't attend Notre Dame. I had the scores, the grades, and even an alumni pushing me to go.

I regret the decision on a near daily basis. I make a really good living considering where I live, graduated froma good college, but I still wonder what I missed and how I would have changed going to South Bend.

Then I read NDNation, where it seems 95% of them graduated, or would have you believe they attended Notre Dame, and I feel a bit better. In no way, shape, or form would I want to be like some of those *******s.

I've been a life-long fan, and I leave the site thinking that those graduates are obnoxious, self-serving jerks and feel better about my decision not to have attended and associated with such people.

I can only imagine what a potential recruit would think....

 

[loomis41973]

The most shittastic site on the internet.

 

[loomis41973]

Couldn't agree more.

I didn't attend Notre Dame. I had the scores, the grades, and even an alumni pushing me to go.

I regret the decision on a near daily basis. I make a really good living considering where I live, graduated froma good college, but I still wonder what I missed and how I would have changed going to South Bend.

Then I read NDNation, where it seems 95% of them graduated, or would have you believe they attended Notre Dame, and I feel a bit better. In no way, shape, or form would I want to be like some of those *******s.

I've been a life-long fan, and I leave the site thinking that those graduates are obnoxious, self-serving jerks and feel better about my decision not to have attended and associated with such people.

I can only imagine what a potential recruit would think....

You nailed it!

 

[Irishnuke]

I've never been on ND Nation but it sounds a lot like what is posted on Irish Illustrated. Lots of people who think they can coach ND better than Kelly...or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I'd encourage you all to following @Sh!tNDNSays (with an 'i' instead of an '!'). It's a Twitter account solely devoted to pointing out and ridiculing the worst posts on that cesspool of a message board.

 

[Rocket89]

A psychological report:

1. Nearly everyone there has a deep, deep distrust of the university leadership. I think if there is one overriding theme that the majority of the posters agree on---it would be this.

2. The site is AWFUL, truly awful at fostering legitimate debate. This is because most of the time it's just 90% of the people in agreement with their crazy posts (Kelly sucks, spread offense is horrible, etc.). But every once in a while you'll see someone pop in and make a valid point that goes against the original post---and that person will get eaten alive. The worst part is that most of the back and forth devolves into arguing over semantics and the dumbest sh!t you can even imagine. I can't tell you how many times I've read threads there where people are arguing about specific words in a post and trying to tell someone else what they meant to say.

3. They think it's the place for enlightened discussion, but let's be real---it's the place to go for people to bitch.

NDN gets labeled as being a bunch of old guys, but there are still a lot of younger people over there. The best way to describe them is that they are a bunch of little bitches.

Could you imagine if their threads were televised and people just read out loud what is written in their posts? Could you imagine coming across that on C-SPAN?

4. They feed off this elitist attitude, but it's more of a "Us versus Them" attitude more than anything. The "Us" in this example being the enlightened alumni and the "Them" being pretty much anyone they disagree with whether it be Kelly, Swarbrick, Subway Alums, etc.

I really think this aspect of the site is what keeps it going. Where else do you have to wait A FULL YEAR after signing up to start posting? That keeps their whole attitude alive and prevents people from going on there and blowing their sh!t to pieces.

In short, it truly is the worst message board ever created. It is an embarrassment to Notre Dame and to the fans, and we'd all be better off if it was shut down.

 

[maison bleu]

If Michigan or USC fans got together to create a fake ND site for the sole purpose of undermining the team and making the fans look like jerks, they could not do better job than NDNation is already doing.

Damn, we're busted!

 

[PigtownIrish]

The problem is that NDNation has had a lot of fodder lately. Inevitably a poster or two on the site will say that X coach is a failure and that we should fire him. A couple of years later that poster is validated when X coach does in fact suck and get fired. And I think they were dead right at the lack of commitment to the football program under the Malloy regime.

Most were against the Kelly hire to begin with, even though at least he was a proven college HC unlike our other hires. So now that Kelly has made some mistakes, the pitchforks are out. Every time BK makes a public comment it's being dissected. One reason why I think we need to declare a media moratorium and take care of business internally until the results show on the field.

Some valid points are still made on the site, like Kelly's disturbing tendency to not commit to the run despite our Oline and RB talent. But it's hard to find the good through the hysteria.

 

[Kak7304]

I had to endure a rant from an older alumnus after the USC game about the state of ND football (and the school as a whole). He criticized players, coaches, admins, and even students. Near the end of his diatribe, he mentioned he is a poster there and things really made sense. They are a bunch of delusional, overly traditionalist morons who I guarantee have never played a down of football after the age of 10. They cannot fathom why the triple option isn't used today because it worked wonders when they were in school. They have no knowledge of why dominating in college is so difficult these days (scholarship limits, national exposure for a lot of programs, etc.).

As much as I tend to dislike other fanbases, sometimes I dislike most of ours more. IE is a great site with reasonable, intelligent, informed posters and that is why I rarely venture outside this bubble. When I read NDNation, I understand the hate and resentment towards ND and its fans.

 

[Jason Pham]

Couldn't agree more.

I didn't attend Notre Dame. I had the scores, the grades, and even an alumni pushing me to go.

I regret the decision on a near daily basis. I make a really good living considering where I live, graduated froma good college, but I still wonder what I missed and how I would have changed going to South Bend.

Then I read NDNation, where it seems 95% of them graduated, or would have you believe they attended Notre Dame, and I feel a bit better. In no way, shape, or form would I want to be like some of those *******s.

I've been a life-long fan, and I leave the site thinking that those graduates are obnoxious, self-serving jerks and feel better about my decision not to have attended and associated with such people.

I can only imagine what a potential recruit would think....

Rash generalizations are rash. We've got a few alums on this board who are great posters/administrators. I wouldn't let a vocal and deranged minority color in my idea of what an alum looks and sounds like.

 

[Rack Em]

Then I read NDNation, where it seems 95% of them graduated, or would have you believe they attended Notre Dame, and I feel a bit better. In no way, shape, or form would I want to be like some of those *******s.

I've been a life-long fan, and I leave the site thinking that those graduates are obnoxious, self-serving jerks and feel better about my decision not to have attended and associated with such people.

Easy there bro. Don't lump all of us alums together like were just a bunch of arrogant douches. The internet is just an easy way for some of the pompous ones to have their voice heard.

 

[Woneone]

Rash generalizations are rash. We've got a few alums on this board who are great posters/administrators. I wouldn't let a vocal and deranged minority color in my idea of what an alum looks and sounds like.

Easy there bro. Don't lump all of us alums together like were just a bunch of arrogant douches. The internet is just an easy way for some of the pompous ones to have their voice heard.

My apologies for anyone who took offense. I wasn't trying to sweep with such a broad brush, nor insult any alumni.

The point I was trying to make is that NDNation makes you, and your opinions if they are not in accordance to them, feel like an outsider. You're not invited to the party. As such, if I was a potential recruit, subway alum, or just a fan looking to talk about ND, what type of impression do you think that site gives?

Again, my apologies. Re-reading, it can be taken a different way than I intended, which wasn't to lump EVERYONE together.

 

[Kak7304]

Easy there bro. Don't lump all of us alums together like were just a bunch of arrogant douches. The internet is just an easy way for some of the pompous ones to have their voice heard.

Agreed. Class of 2008 here and I think I'm not anything like that (I hope). All of the alums on here are great too. In fact, it's tough to distinguish because no one really throws around their status as a student/alum unless they are using it as an example of an experience while they were at ND. One of the greatest things about ND is our "Subway alum" network and extensive fanbase. We have as many or more fans than schools that put out 10,000+ alums a year compared to our 2,000. I just dislike our NDNation type fans and bandwagon fans. Other than that, .

 

[Kak7304]

My apologies for anyone who took offense. I wasn't trying to sweep with such a broad brush, nor insult any alumni.

The point I was trying to make is that NDNation makes you, and your opinions if they are not in accordance to them, feel like an outsider. You're not invited to the party. As such, if I was a potential recruit, subway alum, or just a fan looking to talk about ND, what type of impression do you think that site gives?

Again, my apologies. Re-reading, it can be taken a different way than I intended, which wasn't to lump EVERYONE together.

No worries. Many of them make us feel like outsiders too because we don't have their "winning attitude." Go Irish

 

[TerryTate]

NDNation is a bunch of middle-aged depressed men sulking together.

 

[WaveDomer]

Well, when your message board is totally outdated in its software, do you expect the posters to want a jumbotron? I go there when I want to click my mouse fifty times to read fifty thoughts.

 

[Rocket89]

The problem is that NDNation has had a lot of fodder lately. Inevitably a poster or two on the site will say that X coach is a failure and that we should fire him. A couple of years later that poster is validated when X coach does in fact suck and get fired. And I think they were dead right at the lack of commitment to the football program under the Malloy regime.

See here's the thing:

Many of the main posters are obsessed with being right about things like this, and a large part of the bickering there is fact checking everything everyone has said about any topic and calling out people who were wrong and puffing out your chest in glory.

But at the end of the day, we're talking about something we want to succeed: Notre Dame football.

I mean, put a gun to my head right now and I'd probably tell you that Kelly doesn't have favorable odds of ever winning a national title, or ever becoming an icon at Notre Dame.

However, that doesn't mean that I can't hope he can reach that status, or in the case of NDNation, that I have to actively root against him because I'm upset with the way the university has done business since 1995.

On the one hand, it's understandable to be pissed at the way ND football has been managed over the past however many years. It's like bitching about the way the government is run in a way.

Yet, we're seeing positive changes from the university over the past 3 years and stretching back even longer.

Most of the posters there ignore any of the positive change. And it's annoying. Some day all of their negative Nancy talk will turn out to be false---and then I wonder what they will say?

I honestly think Kelly could win a national title at some point and they'd say, "Good, now GTFO" just because that's how they roll.

 

[Rack Em]

NDNation is a bunch of middle-aged depressed men sulking together.

Truer words have never been spoken.

 

[TDHeysus]

(from a NDNation post) ......."The problem is that this mutiny will tank this season, and recruiting, and then Kelly will get one more year, because Swarbrick is not a man of bold moves. Then in 2012, a dispirited team and desperate coach will get *** pounded. New coach in 2013."

I have seen on a couple other sites, which will remain nameless but everyone here knows of these sites I speak of, but there is a sense of ownership, entitlement, arrogance, and overall general elistist attitude on some of the 'long time posters'. I'm not saying everyone on those sites is like that, but you will know very quickly who they are.

love him, like him, or hate him, but anyone that is pushing for coaching change is 'stuck in their ways' because 20years of coaching changes has left ND spinning their wheels in the parking lot the entire time. but, since its all the they know, its all they want, FIRE THE COACH! is all they scream. Its the same thing again and again, on those sites they should just go back to all the fire Weis threads and change the name from Weis to Kelly. because before that they went back to the Fire Willingham threads and changed the name from Willingham to Weis.

....because we all know firing/hiring coaches has worked so well for ND in the past.

 

[woolybug25]

Some more gems...

Hiring BK after Cinncinatti's 2009 season is like another team hiring CW after the '06 season.

Pig in a poke.

Stupid to be out there taking a position on the Tron and Turf during the season. Stupid to be publicly calling out players and entire classes of players.

(wtf does the jumbotron have to do with our season?)

Notre Dame beating Navy by 40 doesn't prove anything, anything less proves many things.

(I went back all the way to '93 and finally quit searching. I don't know if Navy has ever lost by 40 points)

 

[BeauBenken]

Now I don't like talking about people I really don't know, but these guys sound like the worst fans ever. I knew one guy who when Notre Dame lost a game that suddenly it was the end of the world and that Notre Dame was awful and would never win a game. I hate those types, but these guys...they think we will never win a game while we're up 40 and laughing all the way to the bank!

If I knew a fan like that in real life, they would most likely have a crooked nose courtesy of me.

 

[ugo2011]

Talk to younger alums and the general consensus is that most NDNation posters fit into this category:

 

[dshans]

I don't know if Navy has ever lost by 40 points)

Well, I'm not a stats research wonk, but in 1970 I took a rather bizarre road trip from ND to Philadelphia to Annapolis and then back to Philadelphia (as the lone male on six Greyhound buses of young women: hog heaven for a freshman at an all male ND) for the Navy game.

ND won 56 - 7. My return to South Bend was not so convoluted.

So ... ND HAS defeated the Middies by 40+ at least once. I suspect that they did so on more occasions. You just gotta dig a little deeper to get into the psyche – not always a pleasant thing – of some of us old timers. I still "expect" it but know damn well it ain't gonna happen. Not for a year or two, anyway.

 

[woolybug25]

Well, I'm not a stats research wonk, but in 1970 I took a rather bizarre road trip from ND to Philadelphia to Annapolis and then back to Philadelphia (as the lone male on six Greyhound buses of young women: hog heaven for a freshman at an all male ND) for the Navy game.

ND won 56 - 7. My return to South Bend was not so convoluted.

So ... ND HAS defeated the Middies by 40+ at least once. I suspect that they did so on more occasions. You just gotta dig a little deeper to get into the psyche – not always a pleasant thing – of some of us old timers. I still "expect" it but know damn well it ain't gonna happen. Not for a year or two, anyway.

I figured that one of our more tenured members would remember if it happened. I simply didn't have the time to go that far out. Thanks for the clarification.

So that ndnation fella thinks that if ND doesn't hand a good navy team their worst loss in 41 years, then there is something obviously wrong with Kelly.

 

[dshans]

I figured that one of our more tenured members would remember if it happened. I simply didn't have the time to go that far out. Thanks for the clarification.

So that ndnation fella thinks that if ND doesn't hand a good navy team their worst loss in 41 years, then there is something obviously wrong with Kelly.

I don't know jack (my apologies to my cousin, many friends and JFK for my abuse of the name "Jack." My crusade against abuse of my name is well documented.) about NDNation since I've never visited the site. Maybe I'll pull a BGIF and dredge up some history of ND vs Navy scores for your edification.

Oh, and as to more "tenured," cute. Me likey, though.


BGIF: Would you PLEASE(!) use your magic fact finding skills to save me the time and frustration?

 

[PJWhitfield]

A lot of great posters here. I think we're all ready to see N.D. open up a can of