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SIAP - what is the status of our S/C program? I saw that Matt Balis was hired as the director. Is that the new name for the 'S/C coach' job? Or is he overseeing something larger?

The kids are on campus now for 2nd semester, and I'm hoping whatever S/C staff we plan to have for 2017 is in place. What are we missing still? I guess I don't understand who's the new 'Longo' with the (what seems like) organizational change of the S/C side of things.
 

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You guys do realize that Graduate Assistants have to be enrolled in Grad School, while functioning as a GA, right?

Yes and maybe it's not a possibility but I thought I heard it was an option for him if the position didn't open up. Could have been bad info though.
 

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SIAP - what is the status of our S/C program? I saw that Matt Balis was hired as the director. Is that the new name for the 'S/C coach' job? Or is he overseeing something larger?

The kids are on campus now for 2nd semester, and I'm hoping whatever S/C staff we plan to have for 2017 is in place. What are we missing still? I guess I don't understand who's the new 'Longo' with the (what seems like) organizational change of the S/C side of things.

Yes, he is the S&C Coach.

Everything gets a fancy title now.
 
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What do you mean by this?

In my mind, Long will bring his RPO's and qb-risk-free running game married to BK's traditional passing concepts.

It doesn't make too much sense to me to throw away 3 years of progression reading comfortable routes.

The kind of influence blocking you and I talked about zone with an emphasis on gap is a hallmark of the Kelly style of spread offense. Remember when we talked about it? Using the kind of blocking scheme zone with an emphasis on gap, requires a lot of movement quickly on the part of the offensive line. So when a skilled, well prepared defender looks for his cues, one of them is always the first step of the offensive linemen. Knowing what steps lead to what, always tells the defender where to go to stop the play.

This goes back to Kelly talking with Bill Benichick. It was a topic of discussion, so a number of plays had modified blocking assignments, I assume. Well it came up as a topic again. When the selection committee started shopping for an OC, limiting tendencies was a point considered. I don't know who all the candidates were, but a guy like Chip Long with his RPO's does exactly what we hoped, in our brief back and forth's.

He will pull one guy to kick out, and has the other four or five block down so the majority of his linemen have the angle, or are blocking with leverage. He has the time/luxury to do this, because moving his quarterback, h-back, extra tight end (the later two can be used just like the old fullback), motion of a slot, (whatever) locks the defenders in place, so his offenses don't have to have the ball down field or on the edge within the first tick.

And I am thinking you are right. Combining Longs approach with Kelly's route trees and decision making, is not only doable, but may produce some really good results!
 

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The kind of influence blocking you and I talked about zone with an emphasis on gap is a hallmark of the Kelly style of spread offense. Remember when we talked about it? Using the kind of blocking scheme zone with an emphasis on gap, requires a lot of movement quickly on the part of the offensive line. So when a skilled, well prepared defender looks for his cues, one of them is always the first step of the offensive linemen. Knowing what steps lead to what, always tells the defender where to go to stop the play.

This goes back to Kelly talking with Bill Benichick. It was a topic of discussion, so a number of plays had modified blocking assignments, I assume. Well it came up as a topic again. When the selection committee started shopping for an OC, limiting tendencies was a point considered. I don't know who all the candidates were, but a guy like Chip Long with his RPO's does exactly what we hoped, in our brief back and forth's.

He will pull one guy to kick out, and has the other four or five block down so the majority of his linemen have the angle, or are blocking with leverage. He has the time/luxury to do this, because moving his quarterback, h-back, extra tight end (the later two can be used just like the old fullback), motion of a slot, (whatever) locks the defenders in place, so his offenses don't have to have the ball down field or on the edge within the first tick.

And I am thinking you are right. Combining Longs approach with Kelly's route trees and decision making, is not only doable, but may produce some really good results!

I don't think Long's running game (aside from rpos and lack of option reads) is that dissimilar from Kelly. By my count Long had two runs that Kelly didn't have in the playbook, a pin and pull (used the center, which I'm not a fan of considering how hard Center is and how Sam played) and a long trap counter. I also don't think he moves the quarterback all that much more than Kelly, and "heavy" sets are generally used within the red zone so the base personnel is basically what Kelly used (11). It is pretty striking to see Long get right past the 20 and the next play is heavy.

Long didn't use slice/bluff nearly as much as ND did (which isn't that surprising because it was almost ND's bread and butter out of the wing)
 

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100%. There's nothing a person in that position can't be do with a phone, a laptop and the internet in 2017. I know the director of college scouting for the N.Y. Jets, and he works out of his home office *in Tennessee* with a laptop, an iPad and a cellphone.

That they're using that as an excuse of the definition of amateur hour and makes me wonder what else is completely backwards under Kelly.

I think it's deeper than Kelly. The program from top to bottom is clueless as to what a top football program should look like.

They need to hire a director of football operations, someone like Barry Alvarez. The DOFO should be lateral to Swarbrick and report to the Board. Let Swarbrick handle the country club sports and basketball (which he has done a great job with) and let the DOFO handle all things football.
 
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Was at the '11 USC game. Every negative about Kelly was on display there. So don't waste time talking about the sound system . . .

Listen guys, many of you have good points, except the ones who keep saying it's ND we do it better . . . just because we are ND.

Listen to LAX. He's trying to treat you to some inside information. What he is saying is that if the culture accepts XYZ for recruiting, don't expect change unless it comes from the top.

If there is a top college coach today does as little recruiting as Brian Kelly, I don't know who it would be. It isn't making a round of visits just before signing day. Nor is it visiting the top recruits that you get to visit campus.

It is maintaining regular communication with the bulk of recruits your school is pursuing, and checking to see how they are being treated by everyone the school has contact them.

You may not like Urban Meyer, but few if any outwork him recruiting. When an assistant does an in home, UM, calls up to make sure it went okay. When a recruit comes to campus, UM calls to make sure everything including his return trip went well. UM may make 50 calls before 10AM on a given day.

So an organization shows it with success when the top guy takes an active part. And there are less (if any) embarrassing misses. Didn't one or two say that the Buckeyes had a pretty decent class this year?

At one point, wasn't the bevy of db's considered one of the best all-time back end hauls by any school? Why? Because of the maniacal emphasis placed upon it.

Ohio State and Alabama don't sit back and expect commitments from the first guy, (or two) they offer. The dept, and the fans don't sit back and whine when they miss. Instead they have four or five guys at every position, and they lay it out, listen to the recruits, do the best they can, and move on if it isn't going to work.

How many late offers are they dependent to pull in? Zero. How many of the late pulls they actually bring in improve their class strength? Nearly 100%.
 

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Not that I want to join in with the Nancies because this isn't the end of the world... yet.

But I've been saying it for 2 years... ND does not prospect, target nor court at a sufficient level in the recruiting process.

It is simply the sales process.

Define your needs
Set goals
Train your force
Work the streets/phones
Build rapport
Define prospects
Prioritize targets
Fill the funnel
Set appointments
Define customer needs
Layer features & benefits
Calculate ROI
Perform competitive CBA's
Overcome objections
ABC
Get commitment
Service account
Continually resell
Ask for referrals
Work the customers network
Have them advocate for you

If you do this in any organization you will be successful, even with people who aren't sales professionals.

In ND's case, their #1 problem is they don't heat check obvious prospects early enough. You never know what kind of connection one of your coaches will have with a recruit until you initiate the relationship at the highest level. When you come in a year after Michigan, OSU and Bama, you have to find a Tommy Kraemer. Tommy Kraemer's a FECKING UNICORN in today's world. People aren't sitting around waiting for ND offers like in the 40's. Catholic Football programs from Chicago, SoCal, Cincy, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philly, Jersey and NY aren't gift wrapping their players for ND any longer. Even Lou's great teams weren't great because players grew up wanting to play for ND, they were great because of a MASTER salesman in Vinny Cerrato. He filled the roster with talent.

When you are behind your competition, you have to work harder, you have to see more customers, you have to build more relationships than you competitors. Here is the start of ND's problem. ND isn't Willy Wonka, it can't hand out a few offers to find a Charlie, it has to hand out more than it's competitors, a lot more... but that's NOT what's going on:

2018 Offers:

Michigan ..... 155
Bama .......... 115
Nebraska .... 107
Penn St ....... 102
Ohio St ........ 101
ND ............... 74

SC has just 68*.

*But they sit in the middle of the best recruiting territory in the country when you consider they share it with just one in territory school AND they will take basically anybody academically.

Before you think... Well the staffs been in turmoil and that's... NOPE. It was the same last year. This is the stuff I've been tracking. ND is just late, they don't auto offer young kids who say ND would be a dream offer (ex. Antonio Alfano - Bergen Catholic NJ), they don't auto offer all the Catholic School studs (ex. Austin Fontaine - DeMatha) They don't auto offer kids who have a teammate on the team (ex. Tommy Togiai - Pocatello Highlands, ID). They don't auto offer kids who are at schools they have success at (ex. Taron Vincent + TK Chimedza of IMG) They don't auto offer kids that are in their proven hotbeds (ex. Devin O'Rourke - Chicagoland, IL). These guys are all potential FIVE stars and will finish as high four stars at least... and they are all DEFENSIVE LINEMAN, the position group that is holding the Irish back, and they haven't offered one of them.

Hell, they didn't even offer a 4 star, red headed Irish Catholic DE Connor Murphy from AZ's premier Catholic Prep school where our very own Whiskey attended... even after his Mother says in an interview how tough it was to get all of her kids to their sports practices and still make Mass 3-4 times a week. Instead they let him go to... USC and no, ND didn't learn anything from not recruiting his older brother who ended up at STANFORD... All American, Trent Murphy. That's an optic I can't unsee.

In the end, they are a year late to the party on each of them and what that means is... for a year these players have been saying to themselves (if not hearing it from other recruiters) ND doesn't want me. IF ND gets around to offering them, they're down the road with someone else unless once again, they are unicorns like Kraemer, Eichenberg, Lugg, (stereotype noted)

In the ME-ME - Pick a Hat - Commitment Video world of high school football, where not just the Army All American Bowl is broadcast on national TV but so are camps and 7v7's tournaments while recruiting analysts DM recruits to see how their last sh!t came out.... This stuff doesn't just matter, it means everything.
 
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Not that I want to join in with the Nancies because this isn't the end of the world... yet.

But I've been saying it for 2 years... ND does not prospect, target nor court at a sufficient level in the recruiting process.

It is simply the sales process.

Define your needs
Set goals
Train your force
Work the streets/phones
Build rapport
Define prospects
Prioritize targets
Fill the funnel
Set appointments
Define customer needs
Layer features & benefits
Calculate ROI
Perform competitive CBA's
Overcome objections
ABC
Get commitment
Service account
Continually resell
Ask for referrals
Work the customers network
Have them advocate for you

If you do this in any organization you will be successful, even with people who aren't sales professionals.

In ND's case, their #1 problem is they don't heat check obvious prospects early enough. You never know what kind of connection one of your coaches will have with a recruit until you initiate the relationship at the highest level. When you come in a year after Michigan, OSU and Bama, you have to find a Tommy Kraemer. Tommy Kraemer's a FECKING UNICORNS in today's world. People aren't sitting around waiting for ND offers like in the 40's. Catholic Football programs from Chicago, SoCal, Cincy, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philly, Jersey and NY aren't gift wrapping their players for ND any longer. Even Lou's great teams weren't great because players grew up wanting to play for ND, they were great because of a MASTER salesman in Vinny Cerrato filled the roster with talent.

When you are behind your competition, you have to work harder, you have to see more customers, you have to build more relationships than you competitors. Here is the start of ND's problem. ND isn't Willy Wonka, it can't hand out a few offers to find a Charlie, it has to hand out more than it's competitors, a lot more... but that's NOT what's going on:

2018 Offers:

Michigan ..... 155
Bama .......... 115
Nebraska .... 107
Penn St ....... 102
Ohio St ........ 101
ND ............... 74

SC has just 68*.

*But they sit in the middle of the best recruiting territory in the country when you consider they share it with just one in territory school AND they will take basically anybody academically.

Before you think... Well the staffs been in turmoil and that's... NOPE. It was the same last year. This is the stuff I've been tracking. ND is just late, they don't auto offer young kids who say ND would be a dream offer (ex. Antonio Alfano - Bergen Catholic NJ), they don't auto offer all the Catholic School studs (ex. Austin Fontaine - DeMatha) They don't auto offer kids who have a teammate on the team (ex. Tommy Togiai - Pocatello Highlands, ID). They don't auto offer kids who are at schools they have success at (ex. Taron Vincent + TK Chimedza of IMG) They don't auto offer kids that are in their proven hotbeds (ex. Devin O'Rourke - Chicagoland, IL). These guys are all potential FIVE stars and will finish as high four stars at least... and they are all DEFENSIVE LINEMAN, the position group that is holding the Irish back, and they haven't offered one of them.

Hell, they didn't even offer a 4 star, red headed Irish Catholic DE Connor Murphy from AZ's premier Catholic Prep school where our very own Whiskey attended... even after his Mother says in an interview how tough it was to get all of her kids to their sports practices and still make Mass 3-4 times a week. Instead they let him go to... USC and no, ND didn't learn anything from not recruiting his older brother who ended up at STANFORD... All American, Trent Murphy. That's an optic I can't unsee.

In the end, they are a year late to the party on each of them and what that means is... for a year these players have been saying to themselves (if not hearing it from other recruiters) ND doesn't want me. IF ND gets around to offering them, they're down the road with someone else unless once again, they are unicorns like Kraemer, Eichenberg, Lugg, (stereotype noted)

In the ME-ME - Pick a Hat - Commitment Video world of high school football, where not just the Army All American Bowl is broadcast on national TV but so are camps and 7v7's tournaments while recruiting analysts DM recruits to see how their last sh!t came out.... This stuff doesn't just matter, it means everything.

I absolutely agree with everything you just said.

If you're Notre Dame, you 100% *have to* auto-target and auto-offer those players from Catholic schools. Make it a yearly reflex that you don't even have to think about. They may not physically be in your back yard, but they're your hometown high schools by virtue of philosophy and values. They're your offensive and defensive lines, so to speak. When you build a team, you build from the inside and go out -- that's what Catholic high schools should be to ND every single season; they're your bedrock.

No Ohio State coach ignores Ohio, no Florida State coach ignores Florida and no ND coach should downplay Catholic school kids.
 
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I absolutely agree with everything you just said.

If you're Notre Dame, you 100% *have to* auto-target and auto-offer those players from Catholic schools. Make it a yearly reflex that you don't even have to think about. They may not physically be in your back yard, but they're you're hometown high schools by virtue of philosophy and values. They're your offensive and defensive lines, so to speak. When you build a team, you build from the inside and go out -- that's what Catholic high schools should be to ND every single season.

I completely agree. It's also the place where you can expect the teachers and parents to be generally on your side.

Same with the small prep schools that are geared towards expensive private schools. They understand the value/cache of a degree from ND over other schools (though beware Stanford and Duke!).
 

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Hell, they didn't even offer a 4 star, red headed Irish Catholic DE Connor Murphy from AZ's premier Catholic Prep school where our very own Whiskey attended... even after his Mother says in an interview how tough it was to get all of her kids to their sports practices and still make Mass 3-4 times a week. Instead they let him go to... USC and no, ND didn't learn anything from not recruiting his older brother who ended up at STANFORD... All American, Trent Murphy. That's an optic I can't unsee.

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Someone posted somewhere on here that Elston was moving to Defensive Line and Gilmore was let go.

I came across this little gem of a blurb at the bottom of the news release about Thomas Rees being hired as QB Coach, and thought you might find it interesting. At least, I think it was you that told me that you used to coach at Walsh?

Michael Bertsch, director of football media relations at the University of Notre Dame, has been part of the Fighting Irish athletics communications team since 2006. An Akron, Ohio, native, he graduated from Walsh University (Ohio) in 1998 with a bachelor's degree in communications and also received his master's degree in health and physical education with an emphasis in sports administration from Marshall University in 2001.

You should try to parlay that into some kind of ticket benefit, if you haven't already!
 

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But I've been saying it for 2 years... ND does not prospect, target nor court at a sufficient level in the recruiting process.

Let me start off by saying I appreciate your thoughts. But, I wanted to add some context.

It is simply the sales process.

In a way yes, because it's recruiting. But for Notre Dame it's less about a sales process especially compared to the other blue bloods.

In ND's case, their #1 problem is they don't heat check obvious prospects early enough.

IMO, Notre Dame's biggest problem is that they aren't winning enough and they sell the 40-year decision a little too hard.

People aren't sitting around waiting for ND offers like in the 40's.

THIS is really Notre Dame's biggest "problem" that we've been grappling with for the better part of 25 years.

Catholic Football programs from Chicago, SoCal, Cincy, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Philly, Jersey and NY aren't gift wrapping their players for ND any longer.

True, which means having to go outside the traditional comfort zone which is difficult and brings problems.

Even Lou's great teams weren't great because players grew up wanting to play for ND, they were great because of a MASTER salesman in Vinny Cerrato. He filled the roster with talent.

He caught the tail end of that era. There were some monster recruiting classes in the early to mid-80's before Cerrato got started and that was with the Irish being pretty mediocre on the field.

Plus, this was the era of 95 scholarships which made life easier. And, Cerrato had the luxury of being a full-time recruiter.

Probably most telling, even Cerrato had his own troubles. The '91 class had a bunch of guys denied admissions, nearly all of their other top targets chose other schools, the Chicago pipeline was in the early stages of drying up, and ND settled for a bunch of B and C-list names.

Right in the middle of an era of dominance on the field the '91 class foreshadowed all of our troubles. And recruiting, more or less, really hasn't been the same

When you are behind your competition, you have to work harder, you have to see more customers, you have to build more relationships than you competitors. Here is the start of ND's problem. ND isn't Willy Wonka, it can't hand out a few offers to find a Charlie, it has to hand out more than it's competitors, a lot more... but that's NOT what's going on:

This would make sense if Notre Dame didn't have the restrictions to deal with. We're crossing guys off who won't want anything to do with us and/or we know can't make it academically. I'd argue doing your homework and crossing these off the list early is crucial even if it means less offers in the big picture.

Wasting time on kids is a a huge sin in recruiting. It's demoralizing. Could we do a little better with offers? Yeah probably, but that's a general theme with recruiting as a whole. We can always do a little better but doing a little better is incredibly difficult, especially if you're not putting together dominant seasons.

There's only so much time and so many relationships you can cultivate. I don't think a huge increase in offers and chasing kids is necessarily the answer. We're similar to Stanford and we're typically throwing out 30% to 40% more offers. That feels about right.

ND is just late, they don't auto offer young kids who say ND would be a dream offer. They don't auto offer all the Catholic School studs. They don't auto offer kids who have a teammate on the team. They don't auto offer kids who are at schools they have success at. They don't auto offer kids that are in their proven hotbeds.

Like I said, maybe a little bit. But we also know that when a kid says ND is a dream offer it doesn't necessarily mean much. We know being at a Catholic school doesn't mean you're interested in ND (it's not the 40's remember?) and the same goes for any other connections. So many kids are different, even teammates. Grades, parent situation, personalities, all different.

In the end, they are a year late to the party on each of them and what that means is... for a year these players have been saying to themselves (if not hearing it from other recruiters) ND doesn't want me.

It's a Catch-22 oftentimes. Cast a wider net on 2018 kids and you'll get accused of falling behind on the 2017 or 2019 classes. Cast a wider net in general which means eventually working harder on 3-star kids and you'll get accused of misplaced priorities and missing out on the elite players.

In general, I'm pretty leery of the argument that ND needs to beef up its recruiting staff or that's it's overwhelmingly an issue of effort.

We don't need 400 new support staff to tell us not to bother wasting time on 95% of the offers when a 20-man staff could've told you the same thing. Can we do better with the other 5% I think so. But, in recruiting you're always going to be chasing your tail.

Win more games, get a full coaching staff that puts in a quality effort. You can always do a little more but that's the big issues today and a lot of it is self-inflicted and has been easy to fix.
 
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Hell, they didn't even offer a 4 star, red headed Irish Catholic DE Connor Murphy from AZ's premier Catholic Prep school where our very own Whiskey attended... even after his Mother says in an interview how tough it was to get all of her kids to their sports practices and still make Mass 3-4 times a week. Instead they let him go to... USC and no, ND didn't learn anything from not recruiting his older brother who ended up at STANFORD... All American, Trent Murphy. That's an optic I can't unsee.

In the end, they are a year late to the party on each of them and what that means is... for a year these players have been saying to themselves (if not hearing it from other recruiters) ND doesn't want me. IF ND gets around to offering them, they're down the road with someone else unless once again, they are unicorns like Kraemer, Eichenberg, Lugg, (stereotype noted)

In the ME-ME - Pick a Hat - Commitment Video world of high school football, where not just the Army All American Bowl is broadcast on national TV but so are camps and 7v7's tournaments while recruiting analysts DM recruits to see how their last sh!t came out.... This stuff doesn't just matter, it means everything.

Yup. I've been a huge critic of our recruiting philosophy for years and I think the proof is in the pudding. You're better offer taking lots of guys that really want to be here early in the cycle and then figuring out the other pieces later. There is always room for big fish. It makes no sense to approach guys like Hippenhammer how we did, much less Oliver Martin who was a true stud recruit. And we do this crap every year, while chasing a bunch of Cali players that will inevitably fail at ND like 90% of them do.

Guys who really want to be here almost always outperform their ranking. Onwualu and Love are recent examples. Schmidt when he was healthy for that one half a year played way above a no-star PWO level. Eifert. Both Martins. You can make a list of the most productive players to come through ND and very few of them were "recruiting wars" from the southeast or west coast to convince them to come here. Guys like Tuitt are an exception.

Four straight years of classes full of depth holes and ranked outside the top 10. Obviously, we need a guy that will recruit a different way than Kelly has. He has been a failure on the trail.
 

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Yup. I've been a huge critic of our recruiting philosophy for years and I think the proof is in the pudding. You're better offer taking lots of guys that really want to be here early in the cycle and then figuring out the other pieces later. There is always room for big fish. It makes no sense to approach guys like Hippenhammer how we did, much less Oliver Martin who was a true stud recruit. And we do this crap every year, while chasing a bunch of Cali players that will inevitably fail at ND like 90% of them do.



Guys who really want to be here almost always outperform their ranking. Onwualu and Love are recent examples. Schmidt when he was healthy for that one half a year played way above a no-star PWO level. Eifert. Both Martins. You can make a list of the most productive players to come through ND and very few of them were "recruiting wars" from the southeast or west coast to convince them to come here. Guys like Tuitt are an exception.



Four straight years of classes full of depth holes and ranked outside the top 10. Obviously, we need a guy that will recruit a different way than Kelly has. He has been a failure on the trail.



Well written!!
 
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