ND Coaching Changes 2016

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9 games (as long as the losses are close) is kind of what I'm thinking in my head as the bar.

Problem is the candidates to replace Kelly aren't as great as 2009... Chris Petersen is negotiating a 10 year contract. Kyle Whittingham has been with Utah for 20+ years. Dan Mullen is on the downward spiral. Gary Pattersen has turned down jobs for 20 years. Mike Macintyre has had one season of success.

Who we even going to look at?

I'd like something like Holgersen, but hes kind of a bit goofy for ND's image. Perhaps we could be one of the many teams poaching Wisconsin's head coaches?

I think the guy is Sanford... but I just don't see it happening before 2019.. We will see and I could be more than wrong on this.. But I don't believe one way or another Kelly is gone at end of next year
 

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Anyone know if it's true that ND couldn't hire Ballou because of an impending NCAA rule that says ND wouldn't be able to recruit IMG if they hired him? That's a bunch of bs if true.
 

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even if that was a true ncaa rule, what kind of rule is retroactive?

Yeah, I don't get it either. However, multiple people are posting this on Rivals. Mods haven't heard anything, so who knows if it's true. Below is a snippet discussing the new rule.

"AFCA executive director Todd Berry said a "high majority" of FBS coaches are in favor of the IAWP legislation in the recruting reform package that would prohibit individuals associated with prospects from being hired for non-coaching positions like recruiting operations or analyst jobs. College basketball has a similar rule in place."
 

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I truly believe if Kelly wins 10 games next year he is back in 2018... I think the team is set up to have their best team under Kelly in 2018. I don't see him leaving to coach somewhere else before getting to coach that team. I'm not sure ND will fire a coach who just won 10 games either. I think 8 wins or less is the sweet spot if you want to see Kelly fired

If he can keep his job after losing 8 games, he is not going to ever get fired no matter how many losses he has. He would have to go winless just to get considered.
 

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9 games (as long as the losses are close) is kind of what I'm thinking in my head as the bar.

Problem is the candidates to replace Kelly aren't as great as 2009... Chris Petersen is negotiating a 10 year contract. Kyle Whittingham has been with Utah for 20+ years. Dan Mullen is on the downward spiral. Gary Pattersen has turned down jobs for 20 years. Mike Macintyre has had one season of success.

Who we even going to look at?

I'd like something like Holgersen, but hes kind of a bit goofy for ND's image. Perhaps we could be one of the many teams poaching Wisconsin's head coaches?

10 year deal for Peterson would be a mistake.
 

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Yeah, I don't get it either. However, multiple people are posting this on Rivals. Mods haven't heard anything, so who knows if it's true. Below is a snippet discussing the new rule.

"AFCA executive director Todd Berry said a "high majority" of FBS coaches are in favor of the IAWP legislation in the recruting reform package that would prohibit individuals associated with prospects from being hired for non-coaching positions like recruiting operations or analyst jobs. College basketball has a similar rule in place."

I'll bet Harbaugh is against this. lol

Rule should have been in place ages ago.

I think the guy is Sanford... but I just don't see it happening before 2019.. We will see and I could be more than wrong on this.. But I don't believe one way or another Kelly is gone at end of next year

Not sure if ND would go after someone with so little HC experience, but you don't know how much he may have impressed JS during his short time here.
 

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figured one specific to ND changes as they are getting placed in 2 different threads and now we have more than BVG to replace
CURRENT

Quarterbacks coach:
Offensive coordinator: CHIP LONG
Tight ends coach:
WR COACH:

Defensive coordinator: MIKE ELKO
Special teams coordinator: BRIAN POLLIAN
Strength and Conditioning:

So this is complete now isn't it?
 

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Not sure if ND would go after someone with so little HC experience, but you don't know how much he may have impressed JS during his short time here.


I agree, but I don't think you are getting a top tier dream candidate.. So if my choice is a Rhule type of coach or taking a shot at a hot up and comer, I choose that.. If Sanford looks good for two years, I would bring him back and be excited
 

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I agree, but I don't think you are getting a top tier dream candidate.. So if my choice is a Rhule type of coach or taking a shot at a hot up and comer, I choose that.. If Sanford looks good for two years, I would bring him back and be excited

I'm in this camp when it comes to Sanford, or even if Chuck Martin continues to improve down in Oxford, Ohio. I'm not of the opinion that we can land a top tier HC, no matter how damned much money we throw at them. I could be wrong, but I just don't see it happening. I also believe, and reading what Bogs has posted and speaking to a few others through pm, BK doesn't want to be in South Bend anymore than most of us want him there. For now it's just a wait and see what happens moving forward.
 

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Anyone know if it's true that ND couldn't hire Ballou because of an impending NCAA rule that says ND wouldn't be able to recruit IMG if they hired him? That's a bunch of bs if true.



Unfortunately, this happens to be true.

NCAA made a new rule (maybe January 7th) that would have put the eligibility of a couple of guys at ND (Hainsey?) in jeopardy. ND could have fought it, but not sure who decided against.

Sucks for Dave at first glance, but staying at IMG is not a bad fallback. He'll get his chance one day. Hes simply the best in the business.
 

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Damn........this is crap!! We finally start doing what everybody else has been doing for years, and all of a sudden we can't hire a coach because of recruiting conflicts. Fukk the NCAA
 

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Unfortunately, this happens to be true.

NCAA made a new rule (maybe January 7th) that would have put the eligibility of a couple of guys at ND (Hainsey?) in jeopardy. ND could have fought it, but not sure who decided against.

Sucks for Dave at first glance, but staying at IMG is not a bad fallback. He'll get his chance one day. Hes simply the best in the business.

That's a bunch of bs. They're keeping a guy from advancing his career.
 

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Unfortunately, this happens to be true.

NCAA made a new rule (maybe January 7th) that would have put the eligibility of a couple of guys at ND (Hainsey?) in jeopardy. ND could have fought it, but not sure who decided against.

Sucks for Dave at first glance, but staying at IMG is not a bad fallback. He'll get his chance one day. Hes simply the best in the business.

Got a link for it already being a rule? Because everything I read is that it is part of the package that the NCAA is voting on later in the month along with the early signing period.
 

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Unfortunately, this happens to be true.

NCAA made a new rule (maybe January 7th) that would have put the eligibility of a couple of guys at ND (Hainsey?) in jeopardy. ND could have fought it, but not sure who decided against.

Sucks for Dave at first glance, but staying at IMG is not a bad fallback. He'll get his chance one day. Hes simply the best in the business.

This is incorrect information. The American Football Coaches Association voted on January 11th in Nashville, TN with the recommendations that have been discussed, including adding an early signing day, the addition of a 10th coach and barring the hiring of people associated with a current prospect into any roles. The article linked below says it is in regards to hiring in any capacity but I have seen other articles specifying non-coaching capacities.

The NCAA Oversight Committee will be forwarded these recommendations from the AFCA for review and discussion. Nothing has been voted on or decided by the NCAA.

Football coaches favor early signing period, 10th full-time assistant
 

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figured one specific to ND changes as they are getting placed in 2 different threads and now we have more than BVG to replace CURRENT

Quarterbacks coach:
Offensive coordinator: Chip Long
Tight ends coach: DelVaughn Alexander or Chip Long
WR COACH: DelVaughn Alexander
Linebackers Coach: Clark Lea
Defensive coordinator: Mike Elko
Special teams coordinator: Brian Polian
Defensive Line: Mike Elston
Strength and Conditioning: Matt Balis & Dave Ballou

Edited for you, but I'm not sure all have been confirmed so TIFWIW.

Remaining in place:

Heistand @ OL, Denson @ RB, Lyght @ DB
 
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Quarterbacks coach:
Offensive coordinator: Chip Long
Tight ends coach: DelVaughn Alexander
WR COACH: DelVaughn Alexander
Linebackers Coach: Clark Lea
Defensive coordinator: Mike Elko
Special teams coordinator: Brian Polian
Defensive Line: Mike Elston
Strength and Conditioning: Matt Balis & Dave Ballou
Edited for you, but I'm not sure all have been confirmed so TIFWIW.


Heistand @ OL, Denson @ RB, Lyght @ DB


Looks like everyone will be wearing name tags for a couple of weeks.
 

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This is incorrect information. The American Football Coaches Association OF AMERICA voted on January 11th in Nashville, TN with the recommendations that have been discussed, including adding an early signing day, the addition of a 10th coach and barring the hiring of people associated with a current prospect into any roles. The article linked below says it is in regards to hiring in any capacity but I have seen other articles specifying non-coaching capacities.

The NCAA Oversight Committee will be forwarded these recommendations from the AFCA for review and discussion. Nothing has been voted on or decided by the NCAA.

Football coaches favor early signing period, 10th full-time assistant

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Long will be coaching TE's, right? Or is he gonna float as a true OC and Alexander will have both the TE's and WR's?

That would work if you kick the TE's to Harry for some blocking instruction every day, I guess.
 

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Long will be coaching TE's, right? Or is he gonna float as a true OC and Alexander will have both the TE's and WR's?

That would work if you kick the TE's to Harry for some blocking instruction every day, I guess.

As much as they target the TE's, they should give them to HH and let DA have them the first Tuesday of the month for an hour.

Probably didn't need italics but I didn't want to look like an IrishBloodyTampon
 
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Quarterbacks coach:
Offensive coordinator: Chip Long
Tight ends coach: DelVaughn Alexander
WR COACH: DelVaughn Alexander
Linebackers Coach: Clark Lea
Defensive coordinator: Mike Elko
Special teams coordinator: Brian Polian
Defensive Line: Mike Elston
Strength and Conditioning: Matt Balis & Dave Ballou
Edited for you, but I'm not sure all have been confirmed so TIFWIW.


Heistand @ OL, Denson @ RB, Lyght @ DB


Looks like everyone will be wearing name tags for a couple of weeks.

The new rule changes will take place after this class is in the book, so all the alarmist, and dramatists will have to find something else to point to to claim the sky is falling.

I just talked to someone today who clearly stated Long is the OC and will be handling all play calling, and the Tight Ends, (at this point, subject to change, but not probable.)
They saw Kelly as having interaction with the quarterbacks, but they all seemed to think Tommy Rees would be hired as a GA and given a lot bigger job than most GA's have, related to working with the quarterbacks.

Everything else is good, and well listed, except there is a nagging question as to if Elston can handle the d-line. Bunches of folks think that position group needs to get grown up fast. Elston's positives are moving recruiting forward at ND, in spite of some real trogs, and the effort he made to kluge something together for the defense, after BVG was let go. He made a lot of friends with that.

Something big is happening on the recruiting front with late offerers, and with some offers that don't materialize in this class (like another linebacker._

But ND had four or five or six guys out there working so hard that some of the guys we thought were supermen a few years back would look puny by comparison. Still no sign of BK.
 

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The new rule changes will take place after this class is in the book, so all the alarmist, and dramatists will have to find something else to point to to claim the sky is falling.

I just talked to someone today who clearly stated Long is the OC and will be handling all play calling, and the Tight Ends, (at this point, subject to change, but not probable.)
They saw Kelly as having interaction with the quarterbacks, but they all seemed to think Tommy Rees would be hired as a GA and given a lot bigger job than most GA's have, related to working with the quarterbacks.

Everything else is good, and well listed, except there is a nagging question as to if Elston can handle the d-line. Bunches of folks think that position group needs to get grown up fast. Elston's positives are moving recruiting forward at ND, in spite of some real trogs, and the effort he made to kluge something together for the defense, after BVG was let go. He made a lot of friends with that.

Something big is happening on the recruiting front with late offerers, and with some offers that don't materialize in this class (like another linebacker._

But ND had four or five or six guys out there working so hard that some of the guys we thought were supermen a few years back would look puny by comparison. Still no sign of BK.

Are you hearing the same thing in regards to Ballou? Do you know if they're looking to backfill that spot with someone else now?

In regards to something big with recruiting, do you mean just the amount of work and offers they're putting out, or as in ND will reel in some guys?
 

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The new rule changes will take place after this class is in the book, so all the alarmist, and dramatists will have to find something else to point to to claim the sky is falling.

I just talked to someone today who clearly stated Long is the OC and will be handling all play calling, and the Tight Ends, (at this point, subject to change, but not probable.)
They saw Kelly as having interaction with the quarterbacks, but they all seemed to think Tommy Rees would be hired as a GA and given a lot bigger job than most GA's have, related to working with the quarterbacks.

Everything else is good, and well listed, except there is a nagging question as to if Elston can handle the d-line. Bunches of folks think that position group needs to get grown up fast. Elston's positives are moving recruiting forward at ND, in spite of some real trogs, and the effort he made to kluge something together for the defense, after BVG was let go. He made a lot of friends with that.

Something big is happening on the recruiting front with late offerers, and with some offers that don't materialize in this class (like another linebacker._

But ND had four or five or six guys out there working so hard that some of the guys we thought were supermen a few years back would look puny by comparison. Still no sign of BK.

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Hes been visiting recruits with the assistants, has he not?
 

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Just talked with someone who said Tommy Rees will be a GA until the NCAA rules about having 10 coaches. Will either remain as a GA or become the QB coach depending on the ruling.
 
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