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I read your whole post. Sorry, but I think you are giving this "carefully crafted plan" wayyyyyyy too much credit. Call me cynical, but my expectation is that this whole thing will end poorly for ND football.
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Thank you so very much!

And you wouldn't if you knew who was on the 'steering committee,' as some refer to it!
 
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woolybug25 said:
I highly disagree. If he won say... 10 games this season. He would have multiple successful seasons at a school where you can't cut corners. When he was at Cinci, he didn't have those limitations and won big there too. If you are some sleezy west coast school where the athletes don't play school... BK could thrive.

If he wanted to leave after a successful year, and leaving on a good note, schools would be fighting over him.
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IMO, his options are going to be limited to schools on the FAU, East Carolina, CFU, Cincy, MAC school level. I'm not sure Kelly's ego would like that.
 
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Marty Biagi not coming back as analyst

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MGB: Source confirms, former Notre Dame assistant Marty Biagi (<a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBiagi">@CoachBiagi</a>) is UNT's new special teams coach: <a href="https://t.co/6omxBmBXCj">https://t.co/6omxBmBXCj</a></p>— Brett Vito (@brettvito) <a href="https://twitter.com/brettvito/status/819592781630996480">January 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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BGIF said:
Who negotiated Willingham's paid move to UW?

Or Charlie's paid move to KU?
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I think the bargaining position of a school trying to get a coach to come there is much worse than a school extending its own coach (and a Tier 1 job, at that). If Kelly got extended through 6 years fully guaranteed on the threat that he might leave ND for something else, well, he's got a heck of an agent.
 
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Keith Gilmore replaced by Mike Elston Notre Dame

we already knew this was coming but here it is
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You know, others have known this. Hell, Keith even told some of his players. But everyone else has kept it quiet out of respect, so this guy could get the best job possible.

So I have to agree that this is some (of Loy) being first, dirty rotten whoredom.

Also, it pisses me off that Loy would suggest that Gilmore wasn't a good coach, and bring up last years sack total as proof.

I will tell you all that Gilmore was more a victim of the numbers game than anything else. I do believe that nobody wanted to screw with the recruiting coordinator, with things improving on that front. I think the gamble is, can Elston be enough of a hard-ass to take control of the defensive line?

On this one Loy is a douche nozzle. Please let him know I said that. Am willing to discuss.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
You know, others have known this. Hell, Keith even told some of his players. But everyone else has kept it quiet out of respect, so this guy could get the best job possible.

So I have to agree that this is some (of Loy) being first, dirty rotten whoredom.

Also, it pisses me off that Loy would suggest that Gilmore wasn't a good coach, and bring up last years sack total as proof.

I will tell you all that Gilmore was more a victim of the numbers game than anything else. I do believe that nobody wanted to screw with the recruiting coordinator, with things improving on that front. I think the gamble is, can Elston be enough of a hard-ass to take control of the defensive line?

On this one Loy is a douche nozzle. Please let him know I said that. Am willing to discuss.
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I agree completely. Gilmore never had a chance. I hope he finds something while at the convention this week.
 
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If the buyout is $30-$40M. How much is being saved by keeping him one more year?
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30-40 million isn't the buyout. Pay attention, because that is the cost of acquiring a new head coach.

cost of current coach buyout + cost of proposed hire's buyout + cost of anyone else anywhere else that gets chopped by this deal = 30 to 40 Million.

BK's buyout this year was reported at between 20 and 25 million. I don't know. But it was also reported to go down significantly after next season.

Then now we begin the conversation about variations on whether he performs or not. And after that we talk about the full weight and force that the employer can levy upon an employee they want to eliminate.

Wait and see if they move Kelly's office to a little tree house built on one of those camera towers at the LeBar.
 
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Official: Notre Dame hires Clark Lea as linebackers coach
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Great hire! Good sign, too! Wake Forest threw everything at keeping him.

But this is fraught with irony, and too good not to point out. Part of Kelly's comment :

Clark has demonstrated throughout his career an ability to not only identify unique talent in the recruiting process, but also develop that talent into high-production linebackers. As a former student-athlete, he will relate exceptionally well with our kids and provide tremendous mentorship throughout their careers at Notre Dame.
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Oh my God! I am about to die!
 
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woolybug25 said:
I think you're wrong about that.
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I'm with wooly, if he wins a reasonable amount of games next year I could easily see him parlaying that into a job like Arizona, Rutgers, or Boston College. BC might be a really good fit for him, actually. I think that kind of lower-middle power conference job is where he will land winning 9+ games next year.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
30-40 million isn't the buyout. Pay attention, because that is the cost of acquiring a new head coach.

cost of current coach buyout + cost of proposed hire's buyout + cost of anyone else anywhere else that gets chopped by this deal = 30 to 40 Million.

BK's buyout this year was reported at between 20 and 25 million. I don't know. But it was also reported to go down significantly after next season.

Then now we begin the conversation about variations on whether he performs or not. And after that we talk about the full weight and force that the employer can levy upon an employee they want to eliminate.

Wait and see if they move Kelly's office to a little tree house built on one of those camera towers at the LeBar.
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Yeah, I phrased that wrong. I saw it was part of the entire cost to acquire a new coach. I probably should have simply said, What is the difference between the cost of the buyout for this year and the cost of the buyout next year?

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figured one specific to ND changes as they are getting placed in 2 different threads and now we have more than BVG to replace
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Quarterbacks coach:
Offensive coordinator: CHIP LONG
Tight ends coach:
WR COACH:

Defensive coordinator: MIKE ELKO
Special teams coordinator: BRIAN POLLIAN
Strength and Conditioning:
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Marty Biagi not coming back as analyst

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MGB: Source confirms, former Notre Dame assistant Marty Biagi (<a href="https://twitter.com/CoachBiagi">@CoachBiagi</a>) is UNT's new special teams coach: <a href="https://t.co/6omxBmBXCj">https://t.co/6omxBmBXCj</a></p>— Brett Vito (@brettvito) <a href="https://twitter.com/brettvito/status/819592781630996480">January 12, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Jeez hope the guy had previous ST experience, cuz he sure didn't learn fuck all about ST under Kelly
 
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Does anyone have any info on Gilmore or Elston? I have not seen what their positions will be if any.
 
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Someone posted somewhere on here that Elston was moving to Defensive Line and Gilmore was let go.
 
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I truly believe if Kelly wins 10 games next year he is back in 2018... I think the team is set up to have their best team under Kelly in 2018. I don't see him leaving to coach somewhere else before getting to coach that team. I'm not sure ND will fire a coach who just won 10 games either. I think 8 wins or less is the sweet spot if you want to see Kelly fired
 
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Always been amazed how when these guys get let go, there isn't anything ever said from them. I guess maybe to keep them positive for the next job? I just always kind of expected something somewhere being said by BVG. Typical for this day and age. Now with Gilmore, who was taken away from his steady job for one year employment...kind of expected the same
 
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big limb you went out on here Bogs....
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Talk about misstatements of intent, or poorly stated content!

I will revise my statement.

If Kelly coaches in 2019, I will guarantee Kelly will not end his coaching career at Notre Dame.

From what others have told me :

Chances of Kelly coaching at ND in 2017 - 90%
Chances of Kelly coaching at ND in 2018 - 10%
Chances of Kelly coaching at ND beyond 2018 - >01%
 
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I truly believe if Kelly wins 10 games next year he is back in 2018... I think the team is set up to have their best team under Kelly in 2018. I don't see him leaving to coach somewhere else before getting to coach that team. I'm not sure ND will fire a coach who just won 10 games either. I think 8 wins or less is the sweet spot if you want to see Kelly fired
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I think there are others that think credit for a ten win season in 2017 would rightly go elsewhere.

If you want to see how Kelly's relationship with ND is going, and assess the future direction of all things South Bend, look at how active Kelly is in recruiting. If you hear that Kelly is becoming a recruiting superstar, look at him changing his opinion about retaining his position, and with enough effort convincing the hierarchy that maybe he should be retained.

But without a herculean recruiting effort, not so much. A good season would keep continuity for the Irish, and give him some momentum to find another position.
 
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Yeah, I phrased that wrong. I saw it was part of the entire cost to acquire a new coach. I probably should have simply said, What is the difference between the cost of the buyout for this year and the cost of the buyout next year?

Thanks
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I think the overall point way back when was everyone, Kelly, and all of the major replacement candidates that ND is most interested in are significantly less expensive at the end of '17 compared to what they would cost now. If you have a couple or three well paid coaches and you can save a couple of million here, five million there, pretty soon you are talking real money!


The idea is that one more year may save a net of 10 or 12 million bucks, both head coaches, less guarantees to Coordinators, if the new coach can't live with them.

Finally on this : does anyone know if these assistants are guaranteed coordinator level positions with control, or just employment for three years?
 
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9 games (as long as the losses are close) is kind of what I'm thinking in my head as the bar.

Problem is the candidates to replace Kelly aren't as great as 2009... Chris Petersen is negotiating a 10 year contract. Kyle Whittingham has been with Utah for 20+ years. Dan Mullen is on the downward spiral. Gary Pattersen has turned down jobs for 20 years. Mike Macintyre has had one season of success.

Who we even going to look at?

I'd like something like Holgersen, but hes kind of a bit goofy for ND's image. Perhaps we could be one of the many teams poaching Wisconsin's head coaches?
 
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