Navy Post Game

[tankjeep]

so happy for this win. hope book's confidence continues to rise and I should apologize for being a big critic of his.

well done lad. and I hope it's true that tommy is calling the plays. underappreciated is a good call.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I think the main difference was ND receivers getting separation against Navy. That’s it.

I don’t think you’re giving him enough credit. The Lenzy play was right in front of us and Book let that one fly before Lenzy was past the DB.

I will say the protection was really good and Navy got killed by their failed blitzes. Book saw a ton of man coverage and had time to throw. Still, ND has been unable to punish anybody for gambling on defense so this was great to see.

I would love to believe the positive strides are the result of rearranged staff responsibilities.

 

[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

1) What a transformation offensively, idk if it's that there's a different individual(s) calling plays or what, but it's impressive. If it had been like this from the jump, they'd likely be undefeated or at 1 loss.

2) For all the heat that Book has taken here (myself included) and nationally, it's good to see him go out there and ball in spite of all the noise, shows grit and character. If this is the guy we get from here on out then PJ is gonna have his hands full trying to grab that starting gig going into next year.

3) Who would have thought that getting the ball downfield would be successful lol. Lenzy smoked that dude on that deep post, once he had the ball he kicked it into high gear, elite speed. We actually left one out there, TJJr I think? Had a walk-in TD that he dropped, oh well we had 4 scores in 8 plays haha, that's the definition of efficiency.

4) Chase Claypool looked like a Day 2 WR last night, shades of Tee Higgins and Ceedee Lamb. You could tell that he was just heads and tails above those DB's, it was no contest really.

5) The throw by Phil to go cross field showed impressive arm strength and accuracy, but I'd love to see him in real-game action and actually let loose for a half or so of football.

6) Hopefully they can get into either the Orange or Cotton, that would overall be a good season. Hopefully they get a top notch opponent and keep this level of play rolling, because idk if they can be beat playing like that, definitely not getting blown out.

 

[notredomer23]

Honestly think Book’s roll out and Lawrence Keys’ sideline catch was our highlight play of the season. Awesome patience, great throw, incredible toe tap.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Very pleased with that win. Best complete game since NC State IMO.

 

[Irishize]

Tommy Rees calling plays uncredited would be the ultimate full circle of an underappreciated all-timer

Reps

 

[Irishize]

Honestly think Book’s roll out and Lawrence Keys’ sideline catch was our highlight play of the season. Awesome patience, great throw, incredible toe tap.

That kind of throw shows more overall strength than the beautiful post he threw to Lenzy. He’s throwing against his body, flips his hips (insert Dak Prescott GIF) & puts that ball on a line to where only Keys can catch it.

Speaking of LK, I think he’s been banged up this season but IMO he’s the most underrated WR on the team. Kid has shown great hands in almost every opportunity he has had.

 

[Irishize]

Out of respect for Long.....If LAX is right, which I think he is, I would expect to see Long, "accept" a new position during the off-season.

Best case scenario for all would be Norvell to Arkansas & Long to replace him at Memphis.

 

[BobbyMac]

If it has changed, why would it be kept a secret who is calling offensive plays?

So Long has no shade on him when he's interviewing. He's gone. Too many spots down south opening up. Norvell leaves Memphis and maaaaybe he gets that job (doubt it) or more likely, a guy like UAB's Bill Clark or Skip Holtz move up and that level of job has Long written all over it. I can SO see Bama boy at UAB. Lastly, someone's eventually gonna give Sark a job and then there's the Bama OC job we've heard about.

I think the main difference was ND receivers getting separation against Navy. That’s it.

This and Book's not on skates.

Long is fatigued

POTY

VT was down to the last 2 CBs on their roster, and had a defense ranked 88th by advanced stats at game time.

I remember them being depleted but I checked the game log and they had a lot of CB's in the box score. That's not including the Deablo who became an All American that game. Oh, and a couple of the CB's are Caleb Farley and Nadir Thompson who are legit 10.6-10.7 track guys in HS. I would not be afraid to bet whoever was on the field at CB for VT was better/faster than the Navy CB's

https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore?gameId=401112501

Out of respect for Long.....If LAX is right, which I think he is, I would expect to see Long, "accept" a new position during the off-season.

The ND way. I'd bet the house he's spot on here.

I don’t think you’re giving him enough credit. The Lenzy play was right in front of us and Book let that one fly before Lenzy was past the DB.

I will say the protection was really good and Navy got killed by their failed blitzes. Book saw a ton of man coverage and had time to throw. Still, ND has been unable to punish anybody for gambling on defense so this was great to see.

I would love to believe the positive strides are the result of rearranged staff responsibilities.

Good stuff Pops. If you are set in the pocket and have Lenzy at full stride against a DB with no FS over the top, you've got to have the confidence that Lenzy is going to run past 99% of CB's in CFB.

Koon makes this throw everytime unless he has some slivers in his hand from his pre-treated decking.

 

[Irishize]

According to Jamie Uyeyama, ND first team D held Navy offense to 175 yds rushing. I know that wasn’t the final tally w/ all the garbage time stat padding by Navy but that’s pretty damn imrpessive.

 

[BeatSC]

Of course Book looked like a world beater and needs to maintain that. D looked good and Maola looks the the second coming of Gilman. While this was a great day for Claypool it would have been nice to insert McKinley to get a jump on next year. Liked seeing Keys and Lenzy see the field and make some plays. Should go a long way to keep them from leaving. Think Young blew it by leaving but if Austen returns no one will miss him

The D line has crazy depth. I think Adimiola adds more than Hinish. White is looking better every game and JOK is an athletic beast. What a get Hamilton was. Guy will get even better. I bet he would be a great WR.
Crowd seemed old and duddy.
Good thing Flutie was nice this weeks because he won’t be next week.

 

[Luckylucci]

Defense was unreal. Perry is a magician back there and they were able to rattle him early and often.

Book was lights out, goodnight. Navy had no chance when that man took the field. The kid is so capable he just needs to consistently test himself. That’s what QB’s have to do. #TTDB. When he does it, it looks good. Some of those throws were beautiful. Kid can spin it. Let em rip Book.

Claypool should be an early NFL draftee. He’s such a stud. He should also make some big money playing football.

Keys and Lenzy are good. Great analysis there.

I respect Tony Jones but he tends to run with his head down and it creates a lot of inconsistency with his game. I’m glad we’re getting more guys involved.

 

[Luckylucci]

McKinley was out, in walking boot. Unsure on status.

 

[irishandy]

Postgame Thoughts:
1. This rivalry is such a respected rivalry. I appreciate how each fanbase respects each other. This is college football.
2. I honestly thought this game was going to be a shoot out, that each team would be swapping points. I was wrong, the offense, defense, and special teams all clicked yesterday.
3. The Navy coach last year said he was glad that Greer Martini was going to graduate. We had 11 Greer Martini's on defense, ND had a great defensive plan.
4. Kudos for Chase Claypool, he is getting hot at the right time.
5. Sticking with the WR-- I think Lenzy is finding his role and I'd put him as a starter on the opposite end of Claypool. Speed on 1 side and physicality on the other.
6. Book looked impressive last week against Duke and continued this week. Our QB situation in the offseason will be interesting....
7. Our rushing game is still weak; can't wait for Chris Tyree.

Go Irish! Onward to victory and another great flyover.

 

[IrishLax]

I remember them being depleted but I checked the game log and they had a lot of CB's in the box score. That's not including the Deablo who became an All American that game. Oh, and a couple of the CB's are Caleb Farley and Nadir Thompson who are legit 10.6-10.7 track guys in HS. I would not be afraid to bet whoever was on the field at CB for VT was better/faster than the Navy CB's

They had injuries during the game, and after their last one it was remarked that they were out of reserves. On the Virginia Tech post game radio I listened to on the drive home, Bud Foster confirmed that they were down to 2 scholarship CBs and that he was hopeful they could get some guys back for the upcoming games or that they would "be in trouble." So that's what I was referencing.

I understand your point about VT having superior athletes and it's accurate, but while your original post might've been tongue-in-cheek Navy certainly has guys running faster than 4.8. They have been a solid unit all year, and have not gotten torched by opposing passing offenses despite playing a handful of teams with passing offenses rated comparable to ND's heading.

Virginia Tech has been playing some better football in recent weeks. They ascended to a defensive ranking of 35th in SP+ and 59th in FEI. At game time against ND they were 55th and 88th. So they're playing really well to improve that much in advanced statistical rankings in a short period of time. For reference, Navy was 45th and 25th coming into the game, and had allowed 8 passing TDs all season. Those rankings will certainly drop after ND torched them.

I just want to make sure people aren't poo-poo-ing this performance by Book, Claypool, etc. That was (arguably) one of the better defenses they've played this year, and they absolutely clowned them. Part of that is better athletes, but the bigger part IMO is execution and play calling. If ND plays that way the rest of the year BC and Stanford will be laughers.

 

[ND88]

For all the talk about the run game still being horrible:

Is Armstrong going to truly be an integral part of the backs moving forward?

I'm curious to know more about the board's views on his potential and what everyone thinks his ceiling is.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

For all the talk about the run game still being horrible:

Is Armstrong going to truly be an integral part of the backs moving forward?

I'm curious to know more about the board's views on his potential and what everyone thinks his ceiling is.

Honestly I think In the offseason he should be moved back to WR. There are enough capable bodies at RB for next year on Smith, Flemister, Williams, possible Davis if he sticks at RB, possible TJJr if he returns and the addition of Tyree.

Armstrong brings a unique trait to WR as he can play slot and also can play outside. He also is unique to this team I. That he has average size at WR but is quick and also physical for a WR.


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[loomis41973]

Anything you can share, or just guessing?

Pretty easy to see when you're at the game and have binoculars.

 

[Irishize]

McKinley was out, in walking boot. Unsure on status.

Was wondering why he didn’t make an appearance.

Saw Simon in a walking cast on his right knee. Hope it’s not an ACL.

Ademiola is reported to have a bruise thankfully. They held him out for precautionary reasons.

 

[Irishize]

As impressed & relieved as I was w/ the ND opening drive, I thought this may be a shootout when Navy was about to score on their opening drive. They had that thing rolling but credit the aggressiveness of Lea’s defense for forcing TOs b/c it switched the whole tenor of the game. Really impressive & as Flutie correctly stated, you can’t be passive on defense when facing Navy.

 

[NorthDakota]

Tommy Rees calling plays uncredited would be the ultimate full circle of an underappreciated all-timer

Tommy Rees...the hero we needed but never deserved.

I'd go to war for that guy

 

[BobbyMac]

They had injuries during the game, and after their last one it was remarked that they were out of reserves. On the Virginia Tech post game radio I listened to on the drive home, Bud Foster confirmed that they were down to 2 scholarship CBs and that he was hopeful they could get some guys back for the upcoming games or that they would "be in trouble." So that's what I was referencing.

I understand your point about VT having superior athletes and it's accurate, but while your original post might've been tongue-in-cheek Navy certainly has guys running faster than 4.8. They have been a solid unit all year, and have not gotten torched by opposing passing offenses despite playing a handful of teams with passing offenses rated comparable to ND's heading.

Virginia Tech has been playing some better football in recent weeks. They ascended to a defensive ranking of 35th in SP+ and 59th in FEI. At game time against ND they were 55th and 88th. So they're playing really well to improve that much in advanced statistical rankings in a short period of time. For reference, Navy was 45th and 25th coming into the game, and had allowed 8 passing TDs all season. Those rankings will certainly drop after ND torched them.

I just want to make sure people aren't poo-poo-ing this performance by Book, Claypool, etc. That was (arguably) one of the better defenses they've played this year, and they absolutely clowned them. Part of that is better athletes, but the bigger part IMO is execution and play calling. If ND plays that way the rest of the year BC and Stanford will be laughers.

Book has been fun to watch the past two weeks but I'm not going to know anything until maybe the bowl game when a team who can put him on skates during any down is lined up across from him. If he has been instantly fixed by play calling, I'm back on the WTF-BK train, If it was that easy, why didn't they fix it when we all knew there was a problem early in the season?

Anyways, just hope the FSU & Arkansas jobs start a coaching matriculation that lands Long a job at a G5 school down south or the OC job at Bama we actually feared last year.

 

[Huntr]

Anyways, just hope the FSU & Arkansas jobs start a coaching matriculation that lands Long a job at a G5 school down south or the OC job at Bama we actually feared last year.

Norvell to Arky, Long back to Memphis

 

[irishandy]

For all the talk about the run game still being horrible:

Is Armstrong going to truly be an integral part of the backs moving forward?

I'm curious to know more about the board's views on his potential and what everyone thinks his ceiling is.

I think Armstrong will get touches, but I don't think he will be our #1 back.
He had Dex in front of him last year, he caught the injury bug this year and as I keep saying in my postgame thoughts I think Chris Tyree will shake up our RB depth chart next year.

 

[Luckylucci]

Re-watching some of the game and the tackle Hamilton made chasing down Perry is unreal. Nobody on the field makes that play besides him.

 

[stlnd01]

Have said this in other threads but I think Jafar is a guy who should get 5-10 touches a game, on screen passes, wheel routes, sweeps, plays that get him in space.
Maybe that’s at RB, maybe WR. I don’t know. I do know he’s got no real business running between the tackles.

 

[dad4aa]

Re-watching some of the game and the tackle Hamilton made chasing down Perry is unreal. Nobody on the field makes that play besides him.

Idk Pride is pretty fast and has chased down many players

 

[JD Irish]

Idk Pride is pretty fast and has chased down many players

After he has been beaten in coverage?

 

[BobbyMac]

Norvell to Arky, Long back to Memphis

Seems too easy.

 

[Luckylucci]

Idk Pride is pretty fast and has chased down many players

Don’t think I’ve ever seen Pride make a tackle like that before. Its not the speed to get there but you gotta bring the guy down.