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[zelezo vlk]

Not sure that it needed to be made, but it looks beautifully shot.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Their dialogue through out the whole movie is cringworthy. It sucks because Lucas dispersed their scenes to break up the larger movie plot..... so what you get is an interuoting of true star wars scenes with a quick cut to Anakin/Padme suckiness. Also when I watch it Iskip everyone of the scenes with A/P. Doing so makes the movie much more enjoyable. That sand line is enragingly badly written and even more badly delivered.

Peter Jackson did the same thing. The original LotR trilogy is a masterpiece. And then the Hobbit "prequels" turned out to be a bloated and poorly written mess.

Some industrious fans have edited The Hobbit trilogy down to 3-4 hours of quality film. I wonder if anyone has done something similar for Episodes I-III...

 

[Rack Em]

Peter Jackson did the same thing. The original LotR trilogy is a masterpiece. And then the Hobbit "prequels" turned out to be a bloated and poorly written mess.

Some industrious fans have edited The Hobbit trilogy down to 3-4 hours of quality film. I wonder if anyone has done something similar for Episodes I-III...

The Hobbit wasn't written in the same vein as LOTR. It reads like a children's book, whereas LOTR is more adult-oriented. So from the start, Jackson was going to bastardize The Hobbit because there is no possible way to accurately make it look like his LOTR movies.

At least Lucas had a blank slate for the prequels that could have stayed consistent with the tone of Episodes IV-VI. He just fucked it up in a different way.

They're both money whores, but for slightly different reasons.

 

[greyhammer90]

Peter Jackson did the same thing. The original LotR trilogy is a masterpiece. And then the Hobbit "prequels" turned out to be a bloated and poorly written mess.

Some industrious fans have edited The Hobbit trilogy down to 3-4 hours of quality film. I wonder if anyone has done something similar for Episodes I-III...

It's happened. They basically completely removed Episode I. Anakin's a regular Jedi. He meets Padme for the first time in Episode II. They become intimate. It's discovered. He's forbidden from seeing her. Enter Palpatine who is already Chancellor and who already has the clone troopers because why wouldn't the Republic already have an army? Anakin turns to the dark side to be with Padme. He wants to overthrow the current Jedi order so he goes along with it when Palpatine says that the Jedi are supporting the Separatist. Padme dies in childbirth. Obi Wan fights Anakin and wins but doesn't finish the job. Same ending basically.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's happened. They basically completely removed Episode I. Anakin's a regular Jedi. He meets Padme for the first time in Episode II. They become intimate. It's discovered. He's forbidden from seeing her. Enter Palpatine who is already Chancellor and who already has the clone troopers because why wouldn't the Republic already have an army? Anakin turns to the dark side to be with Padme. He wants to overthrow the current Jedi order so he goes along with it when Palpatine says that the Jedi are supporting the Separatist. Padme dies in childbirth. Obi Wan fights Anakin and wins but doesn't finish the job. Same ending basically.

What'd you think of it? I've read the Hobbit to my older two boys several times already, and will likely show them the Maple Films 4-hour fan cut instead of the retail trilogy. I'll also be introducing them to Star Wars for the first time soon, and am wondering if taking a similar route for Episodes I-III would be better than simply ignoring them altogether.

 

[greyhammer90]

What'd you think of it? I've read the Hobbit to my older two boys several times already, and will likely show them the Maple Films 4-hour fan cut instead of the retail trilogy. I'll also be introducing them to Star Wars for the first time soon, and am wondering if taking a similar route for Episodes I-III would be better than simply ignoring them altogether.

If I had seen that movie I wouldn't be embarrassed to be a SW the way I was with the prequels, but it wasn't good by any means. I'd still say that ignoring it is the way to go. There is genuinely nothing of interest in the story itself. That's the central issue with the Prequels. No one cares about Anakin's fall. Given his relationship with Luke/Leia/Obi Wan, it's fairly obvious what happened anyway.

My biggest issue with the Prequels is it's treatment of Vader, and that really can't be saved given the film available. Darth Vader is not (to quote Red Letter Media) "space Jesus" and was never supposed to be. He's not even that important or interesting. In the original trilogy he's basically just a goon sent to sort things out. In A New Hope he's borderline mocked by other Imperial officers and is talked down to by Leia. He spends the entire second movie (unsuccessfully) chasing one light freighter with an Imperial fleet. Then in ROTJ he's the guy the emperor sends to move along a construction project. He's the muscle. He has an arch at the end but only in service to the main character's archs.

 

[GowerND11]

If I had seen that movie I wouldn't be embarrassed to be a SW the way I was with the prequels, but it wasn't good by any means. I'd still say that ignoring it is the way to go. There is genuinely nothing of interest in the story itself. That's the central issue with the Prequels. No one cares about Anakin's fall. Given his relationship with Luke/Leia/Obi Wan, it's fairly obvious what happened anyway.

My biggest issue with the Prequels is it's treatment of Vader, and that really can't be saved given the film available. Darth Vader is not (to quote Red Letter Media) "space Jesus" and was never supposed to be. He's not even that important or interesting. In the original trilogy he's basically just a goon sent to sort things out. In A New Hope he's borderline mocked by other Imperial officers and is talked down to by Leia. He spends the entire second movie (unsuccessfully) chasing one light freighter with an Imperial fleet. Then in ROTJ he's the guy the emperor sends to move along a construction project. He's the muscle. He has an arch at the end but only in service to the main character's archs.

I think that's the problem I've always had with Star Wars. There is so much talk about Vader being awesome and everything, yet he is a lackey. In a way it annoys me that a man with such amazing Jedi power is Palpatine's bitch and grunt. Always felt like we are shortchanged Vader in a way.

 

[connor_in]

Watched Muppet Christmas Carol and The Santa Clause and Scrooged this past weekend.

 

[gkIrish]

I went on a movie binge this past weekend. Saw Rogue One on Friday night then watched all these movies.

Seen before:
A New Hope
Fellowship of the Ring
Home Alone 2
Die Hard
Spectre

Never seen:
Dirty Grandpa (pretty funny and my God Aubrey Plaza is hot)
Trainspotting

 

[connor_in]

I went on a movie binge this past weekend. Saw Rogue One on Friday night then watched all these movies.

Seen before:
A New Hope
Fellowship of the Ring
Home Alone 2
Die Hard
Spectre

Never seen:
Dirty Grandpa (pretty funny and my God Aubrey Plaza is hot)
Trainspotting

Don't you have any family, friends, or running water for showers?

 

[Black Irish]

I think that's the problem I've always had with Star Wars. There is so much talk about Vader being awesome and everything, yet he is a lackey. In a way it annoys me that a man with such amazing Jedi power is Palpatine's bitch and grunt. Always felt like we are shortchanged Vader in a way.

True. It would be cool to see a prequel about Anakin just after he becomes Vader. When he really embraces being evil.

 

[zelezo vlk]

The Searchers

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[GATTACA!]

Peter Jackson did the same thing. The original LotR trilogy is a masterpiece. And then the Hobbit "prequels" turned out to be a bloated and poorly written mess.

Some industrious fans have edited The Hobbit trilogy down to 3-4 hours of quality film. I wonder if anyone has done something similar for Episodes I-III...

To be fair to Jackson he never intended to make those Hobbit films. He basically was forced into directing the when Guillermo Del Toro stepped down. He felt a responsibility to the fans to pick up the project and finish it because it was either that or the movies weren't going to get made. Picking up a project that massive that late in the game was never going to result in a masterpiece like the LoTR trilogy.

On the other hand the prequels were Lucas's own brainchild. Those monstrosities are what he intended to create.

 

[connor_in]

Watched the ultimate Christmas movie last night, Die Hard

 

[Irish#1]

Watched the ultimate Christmas movie last night, Die Hard

I know what you're doing. lol

Once again, Die Hard is not a Xmas movie. To be considered a Xmas movie, the theme or story has to be centered around Xmas, not just happening during the Xmas season. Die Hard is simply a action movie happening during the Xmas season. This could have been shot during any time of the year and still be a great action movie. Miracle on 34th Street or A Christmas Story wouldn't work if they weren't during the Xmas season.

 

[gkIrish]

I know what you're doing. lol

Once again, Die Hard is not a Xmas movie. To be considered a Xmas movie, the theme or story has to be centered around Xmas, not just happening during the Xmas season. Die Hard is simply a action movie happening during the Xmas season. This could have been shot during any time of the year and still be a great action movie. Miracle on 34th Street or A Christmas Story wouldn't work if they weren't during the Xmas season.

Home Alone isn't a Christmas movie either by that logic...a kid being left home alone when family goes on vacation doesn't need to happen during Christmas time.

 

[woolybug25]

The Christmas theme is consistent in Die Hard. I don't believe that you can go 15 minutes of the movie without some reference to Christmas.

Plus, it spreads cheer....

My vote is that its a Christmas movie.

 

[zelezo vlk]

A man nearly killing himself and deciding to turn his life around and spite an old man in a wheelchair isn't a Christmas theme either.

 

[ACamp1900]

I know what you're doing. lol

Once again, Die Hard is not a Xmas movie. To be considered a Xmas movie, the theme or story has to be centered around Xmas, not just happening during the Xmas season. Die Hard is simply a action movie happening during the Xmas season. This could have been shot during any time of the year and still be a great action movie. Miracle on 34th Street or A Christmas Story wouldn't work if they weren't during the Xmas season.

Die Hard isn't a Chrotmas movie,... it's THE Christmas movie...... bitch.

 

[Irish#1]

Home Alone isn't a Christmas movie either by that logic...a kid being left home alone when family goes on vacation doesn't need to happen during Christmas time.

The Christmas theme is consistent in Die Hard. I don't believe that you can go 15 minutes of the movie without some reference to Christmas.

Plus, it spreads cheer....

My vote is that its a Christmas movie.

A man nearly killing himself and deciding to turn his life around and spite an old man in a wheelchair isn't a Christmas theme either.

Die Hard isn't a Chrotmas movie,... it's THE Christmas movie...... bitch.

If it makes you feel better to say it's a Xmas movie you go right ahead. I know better. grin:

 

[Black Irish]

Watched the ultimate Christmas movie last night, Die Hard

Oh boy, it's time for this debate again.

"Die Hard" is my favorite movie and has been for a long time. It is the gold standard of the action genre that every action movie must, to one extent or another, be measured against.

That being said, "Die Hard" is not a Christmas movie. Yes, it takes place during Christmas. Yes, there are references to the season. However, Christmas is not essential to the film. With some minor adjustments, it "Die Hard" could easily take place during say, the 4th of July or Thanksgiving or even Labor Day weekend. Now, if you really want to force the issue of violent-action-movie-as-Christmas-movie, "Lethal Weapon" is a better candidate. I'm not saying "Lethal Weapon" is a Christmas movie; but I think a better case can be made for it over "Die Hard."

Hey, if you like to enjoy "Die Hard" during this yuletide season, by all means. But let's not put it in the same box with "Christmas Vacation", "Miracle on 34th Street", "Scrooge" and so on.

 

[woolybug25]

Oh boy, it's time for this debate again.

"Die Hard" is my favorite movie and has been for a long time. It is the gold standard of the action genre that every action movie must, to one extent or another, be measured against.

That being said, "Die Hard" is not a Christmas movie. Yes, it takes place during Christmas. Yes, there are references to the season. However, Christmas is not essential to the film. With some minor adjustments, it "Die Hard" could easily take place during say, the 4th of July or Thanksgiving or even Labor Day weekend. Now, if you really want to force the issue of violent-action-movie-as-Christmas-movie, "Lethal Weapon" is a better candidate. I'm not saying "Lethal Weapon" is a Christmas movie; but I think a better case can be made for it over "Die Hard."

Hey, if you like to enjoy "Die Hard" during this yuletide season, by all means. But let's not put it in the same box with "Christmas Vacation", "Miracle on 34th Street", "Scrooge" and so on.

You could literally say that for any Christmas flick. The parents could have went on Spring Break in Home Alone. Christmas Vacation could have been during Thanksgiving. A Christmas Sory could have been a Jewish family in Manhatten and titled A Hannakuh Story.

 

[GATTACA!]

You could literally say that for any Christmas flick. The parents could have went on Spring Break in Home Alone. Christmas Vacation could have been during Thanksgiving. A Christmas Sory could have been a Jewish family in Manhatten and titled A Hannakuh Story.

Yes you could change any movie but with something like Home Alone there are actual plot points centered around the fact that it's Christmas. The family not being able to get a flight because of the holiday, the wet bandits stealing the Christmas donations, the mother knowing she would find Kevin at the Rockefeller Center looking at the Christmas tree. The plot actually involves the holiday instead of it just being coincidental to the storyline.

 

[woolybug25]

Yes you could change any movie but with something like Home Alone there are actual plot points centered around the fact that it's Christmas. The family not being able to get a flight because of the holiday, the wet bandits stealing the Christmas donations, the mother knowing she would find Kevin at the Rockefeller Center looking at the Christmas tree. The plot actually involves the holiday instead of it just being coincidental to the storyline.

The same could be said about Die Hard. The reason John McLaine is in LA is to visit his wife and kids for Christmas. The reason he is even at the scene of the heist is... you guessed it... a Christmas Party.

Before you say, "well, they could exchange the holiday and reason for the party", you could do the same for Home Alone. They could have missed a flight for their Thanksgiving vacation. The Wet Bandits could be utilizing a different scam stealing Thanksgiving donations. They could have found Kevin at the local market desperately looking for a last minute turkey. It's the same damn thing.

 

[gkIrish]

Yes you could change any movie but with something like Home Alone there are actual plot points centered around the fact that it's Christmas. The family not being able to get a flight because of the holiday, the wet bandits stealing the Christmas donations, the mother knowing she would find Kevin at the Rockefeller Center looking at the Christmas tree. The plot actually involves the holiday instead of it just being coincidental to the storyline.

The Nakatomi Corporation Christmas party is the reason the terrorists choose that night and are able to take hostages. John McClane is in Los Angeles only because he is visiting his estranged wife and kids for Christmas.

Combine that with actual Christmas music being played, and Christmas references made in the dialogue, it's a Christmas movie.

Hell, the fact that people watch it every Christmas makes it so.

 

[gkIrish]

The same could be said about Die Hard. The reason John McLaine is in LA is to visit his wife and kids for Christmas. The reason he is even at the scene of the heist is... you guessed it... a Christmas Party.

Before you say, "well, they could exchange the holiday and reason for the party", you could do the same for Home Alone. They could have missed a flight for their Thanksgiving vacation. The Wet Bandits could be utilizing a different scam stealing Thanksgiving donations. They could have found Kevin at the local market desperately looking for a last minute turkey. It's the same damn thing.

The Nakatomi Corporation Christmas party is the reason the terrorists choose that night and are able to take hostages. John McClane is in Los Angeles only because he is visiting his estranged wife and kids for Christmas.

Combine that with actual Christmas music being played, and Christmas references made in the dialogue, it's a Christmas movie.

Hell, the fact that people watch it every Christmas makes it so.

Great minds. I think Die Hard is too "adult" for some people to handle it being a Christmas movie.

 

[IrishLax]

Definitively a Christmas movie.

 

[GowerND11]

Definitively a Christmas movie.

/End thread

 

[Irish#1]

The Nakatomi Corporation Christmas party is the reason the terrorists choose that night and are able to take hostages. John McClane is in Los Angeles only because he is visiting his estranged wife and kids for Christmas.

Combine that with actual Christmas music being played, and Christmas references made in the dialogue, it's a Christmas movie.

Hell, the fact that people watch it every Christmas makes it so.

You lost me there. Just for fun I did a quick pole of 23 people at work. Some young (20's early 30's) most mid 30's to early 50's. Some women, some men. It was close to a 50/50 split but probably a few more women then men. I asked two questions in this order without providing any comment after each question:

1. Do you watch Die Hard during the Christmas season?
2. Do you consider Die Hard a Christmas movie?

Not one said they watched Die Hard every Christmas season or even thought about it. Only four said they thought it could be considered a Christmas movie and they thought it was on the fringe at best. One did say it was a Christmas movie.

 

[gkIrish]

You lost me there. Just for fun I did a quick pole of 23 people at work. Some young (20's early 30's) most mid 30's to early 50's. Some women, some men. It was close to a 50/50 split but probably a few more women then men. I asked two questions in this order without providing any comment after each question:

1. Do you watch Die Hard during the Christmas season?
2. Do you consider Die Hard a Christmas movie?

Not one said they watched Die Hard every Christmas season or even thought about it. Only four said they thought it could be considered a Christmas movie and they thought it was on the fringe at best. One did say it was a Christmas movie.

This country elected Donald Trump so I'm not too worried about what some random people you work with think.