James Franklin Appreciation Thread

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One could argue that winning the B1G and having a deep run in the playoffs to back up last season is a bigger validation given IU’s FB history compared to PSU.
One could, but it just doesnt seem to follow the pattern of successful coaches in similar situations in the past. If he turned down a borderline blueblood program to stay at Indiana it would be outside the norm, but very impressive.
 

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One could, but it just doesnt seem to follow the pattern of successful coaches in similar situations in the past. If he turned down a borderline blueblood program to stay at Indiana it would be outside the norm, but very impressive.
As far as I can tell, no 63+ year-old head coach of a power conference program has ever packed up his belongings and left for a more demanding job. Cignetti going to Penn State would be breaking the mold, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Paterno was 84 when he was fired for non-FB reasons, so Penn State might be receptive to an old guy, but Cignetti could be harder to convince. He could win 40% of his games going forward and still be a Bloomington legend for the remainder of his life and beyond.
 

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As far as I can tell, no 63+ year-old head coach of a power conference program has ever packed up his belongings and left for a more demanding job. Cignetti going to Penn State would be breaking the mold, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Paterno was 84 when he was fired for non-FB reasons, so Penn State might be receptive to an old guy, but Cignetti could be harder to convince. He could win 40% of his games going forward and still be a Bloomington legend for the remainder of his life and beyond.
Thats a great point. I don't have a dog in the fight, maybe you are right. But imo, Cignetti is not on the projection of the typical 63 year old. He started d2 coaching when he was 50. He is a bit of a late bloomer. If no one told you he was 63, I assume people thought he was 53 considering his career trajectory.
Ultimately, I think one could argue either way. Either he needs to hurry up and make it to an elite level program right now because of his age. Or he can consider Indiana the last stop because of his age.

IMO, playoffs might be a bigger obstacle for Cignetti vs age. If I were a PSU fan, the best scenario for me would be someone like Urban Meyer agreeing to start soon. Otherwise it might not have been wise to fire Franklin midseason.
 
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Franklin is a clown, but he won't be unemployed long. He gets his buyout and probably lands at a job with lower expectations where he will be fine. I think UNC, Va Tech or UCLA could be good for him.
Sparty would be a good fit, too. I see Smith bolting for UCLA. Franklin in East Lansing would be sort of fun.
 

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I think their best bet in going after someone like Matt Campbell, I honestly don't think Cignetti would go there. Their second choice should be either Many Diaz or Al Golden.
 

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Cignetti and Ruhle both make about $9m a year right now. I can't imagine PSU being willing to push those numbers high enough to convince either to leave.
 

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I think their best bet in going after someone like Matt Campbell, I honestly don't think Cignetti would go there. Their second choice should be either Many Diaz or Al Golden.
Matt Campbell would be the boringest hire imaginable. And I think if Golden wanted to be a college head coach right now, he would be (though maybe the call of his alma mater is enough to persuade him). Diaz might be the most sensible hire, all things considered. But I tend to agree with those who say this is all noise and it'll be Rhule.
 

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Matt Campbell would be the boringest hire imaginable. And I think if Golden wanted to be a college head coach right now, he would be (though maybe the call of his alma mater is enough to persuade him). Diaz might be the most sensible hire, all things considered. But I tend to agree with those who say this is all noise and it'll be Rhule.
Rhule is just as boring as Campbell
 

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Golden detested recruiting, how is that a fit for college HC?
I dont think it is. Might be easier now if you can just throw money at a kid and you have some dogs doing all the legwork for you. Or just go steal kids in the portal
 

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In the 25 years for JoePa following his 1986 title, PSU won only 69% of their games, basically a 9-4 average record, a significant drop off from JoePa’s first 20 years where he had a 79% win % and 2 titles.

I just don’t know what these fans expect. They aren’t a blue blood, and only have 2 titles. The 2022-2024 run (as well as OSU’s seemingly endless run) has totally distorted what expectations should be.
Not really a fair data point. Notre Dame has a 70% win percentage over the same period. Are we not a blue blood?

PSU is clearly a national championship caliber program with the right coach.
 

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After sleeping on it, I can say that I am pissed off that James got canned. By acting swiftly, Penn State brass robbed me of seeing Franklin have to answer questions each and every week. Seeing him uncomfortable, angry and distraught would have brought me so much joy. Makes me hate Penn State even more.
 

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ND likely the destination for PSU’s highest rated commit if 1) he flips and 2) ND has room. ND has remained in contact.
He's got DB/WR potential right? I thought he had incredible track times if I recall? Does this staff always make room for a top 100 recruit?
 

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After sleeping on it, I can say that I am pissed off that James got canned. By acting swiftly, Penn State brass robbed me of seeing Franklin have to answer questions each and every week. Seeing him uncomfortable, angry and distraught would have brought me so much joy. Makes me hate Penn State even more.

I think they could have put pressure on James to make him make changes. Just like they did with Kelly. They could have used the money for be coaches to assist and NIL.

I really think this was a bad bad move for Penn State.
 

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The fatal mistake made by Franklin was poor self scouting on the 25 team. He lost two of the best players in college football off of his team and somehow thought they were going to take a step forward not back. It led to them spending their NIL budget on keeping this team together and not recruiting. Having the cult in State College drinking the kool-aid it's a national championship season and then putting this product together made the situation untenable. If they spend their money on Adams and JOB instead of DDS, Singelton and Allen I bet he still has his job. Oh well, couldn't have happened to a better guy or a better program
 

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Not really a fair data point. Notre Dame has a 70% win percentage over the same period. Are we not a blue blood?

PSU is clearly a national championship caliber program with the right coach.
Programs typically designated as blueblood have a history of championships going back to the fifties and earlier.
 

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They could have used the money for be coaches to assist and NIL.

From their POV they probably feel like they have. They made Knowles the highest paid coordinator in the country and spent a lot of money to retain kids and bring in some WR.

Losing at UCLA and at home to Northwestern isn't the ROI you are hoping for when you spend $50 million or so on coaches and players in the off-season.

Now, I have doubts that they will get anyone to be as successful as him. And, I hope they don't because that school and fan base can rot in hell.

But, I can see why they feel like they needed to take a risk and cut bait. They gave him everything this year and he somehow turned it into a shit sandwich.
 

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There is a cool pic floating around of Saban, Smart and Cignetti standing next to each other on the Alabama sideline(looking unhappy in a blowout win).

Lots of memes. 'These guys on the staff but we hired so and so'.

'Maybe rah rah guys aren't it'. Etc.
 

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He's got DB/WR potential right? I thought he had incredible track times if I recall? Does this staff always make room for a top 100 recruit?

Matt Freeman said on ISD that ND has remained in contact and would make room if he wanted to come...they think JOB can play corner (!)
 

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We should start a "Nick Saban to Penn St." collective and after their alums dump a bunch of money into it, we give it to the ND NiL efforts,.....
 

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Im seeing a lot of gloating from the Indiana crowd on Twitter as though it's inconceivable their season could easily get derailed. Frankly, I think every Indiana fan alive has a twitter account now. Where were these people all those years? Anyways.

My preferred ending to this whole story is Indiana loses to UCLA and then gets pumped hard by Penn State. Indiana needs to remember their place in the world. I also want Penn State to lose a couple more games too because I enjoy pain of others. 7-5 or 6-6..lovely.
 

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Programs typically designated as blueblood have a history of championships going back to the fifties and earlier.
In an ideal world, yes, "blueblood" would indicate old money (or an old-timey powerhouse with multiple old-timey championships.) Unforunately, it's commonly used today to mean "good at football in recent years." This is how Clemson and Georgia and Penn State became "bluebloods" despite one combined (highly debatable) NC prior to 1980.
 
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