James Franklin Appreciation Thread

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Totally understand Rhule being the front runner, but I’d also really be talking to / looking at Drinkwitz (not sure he’d leave Mizzou for PSU), Clark Lea (not sure he’d leave Vanderbilt), Dan Mullen (he’d leave), Golesh (USF), Sumrall (Tulane), and Silverfield (Memphis).

Rhule is the obvious fit, but it’s worth kicking the tires and interviewing these guys.
 

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I think Rhule makes the most sense. He was a former assistant (volunteer) coming out of college, and he's an alumni. He also has strong ties to Pennsylvania given his successful run with Temple, he's recruited that area before.
 

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I think Rhule makes the most sense. He was a former assistant (volunteer) coming out of college, and he's an alumni. He also has strong ties to Pennsylvania given his successful run with Temple, he's recruited that area before.
Rhule almost makes too much sense. He's so predictable here as to be boring. Just posted in the other thread but maybe Drinkwitz is the move. Has done what he can do at Missouri and would embrace a bigger stage at Penn State, while bringing SEC experience to a program that's desperate to get over the hump in the B1G.
 

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I think Rhule makes the most sense. He was a former assistant (volunteer) coming out of college, and he's an alumni. He also has strong ties to Pennsylvania given his successful run with Temple, he's recruited that area before.
Ties are always cool, but he's 0-11 vs the Top 10 and 2-23 vs the Top 25. I don't know that Penn State wants to build their program around a narrative about James Franklin Lite.
 

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Ties are always cool, but he's 0-11 vs the Top 10 and 2-23 vs the Top 25. I don't know that Penn State wants to build their program around a narrative about James Franklin Lite.
At Temple, Baylor and Nebraska, where he never had Top 10 talent, and rarely Top 25. Yes a great coach wins games that on paper they should not, but I wouldn't read too too much into that stat. He'd have far better horses at Penn State.

That said, Rhule does feel a bit like a program builder, when what Penn State needs is someone to push it to the next level. If Franklin is another BK, they need a Freeman now.
 

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I unironically think that if Rhule goes to Penn St, Nebraska should get Franklin.

They'd be happy as hell with someone who might be able to consistently get them 9+ wins and occasionally challenge for a B1G title.
 

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Main problem with Franklin is that he seems like a complete asshole. You can get away with that when your reputation is good and you are winning. Now the last memory of Franklin is being a laughingstock who lost back to back games as 20 point favorites. Nebraska can aim higher than Franklin.
 

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Your first call is to Cignetti if you really see yourself in that echelon.

Although I really think Cig to Auburn makes the most sense when that job opens.

He’s coaching his last year at IU, regardless.

I really think Jonathan Smith to UCLA and Frames Janklin to Sparty makes a ton of sense.
 

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These buyouts really make me sick. And, yes, these schools are typically buying out ass clowns at that.

He couldn't beat Ohio State and Michigan. Wasn't likeable if you were a neutral.
 

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At Temple, Baylor and Nebraska, where he never had Top 10 talent, and rarely Top 25. Yes a great coach wins games that on paper they should not, but I wouldn't read too too much into that stat. He'd have far better horses at Penn State.

That said, Rhule does feel a bit like a program builder, when what Penn State needs is someone to push it to the next level. If Franklin is another BK, they need a Freeman now.
I agree about the talent difference, and I'm not suggesting Rhule is a bad coach. I'm trying to predict Penn State's actions based on popular narratives. If Freeman gets fired down the line, and the prevailing story is he can't beat MAC teams, ND probably won't bring in a guy who's infamously known as someone who can't beat MAC teams at Temple/Baylor/Nebraska.
 

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Freebie from The Athletic.

Franklin's rise and $45 million fall
Four short stories, all set in the same city far from Pennsylvania:

Jan. 2, 2017, in Los Angeles: USC's former interim coach, Clay Helton, meets James Franklin's miraculously rebuilt Penn State in the Rose Bowl. Big Ten champion Franklin beat Ohio State two months prior, and everything is perfect and will remain so indefinitely.

The Trojans' 52-49 comeback win goes down as one of the greatest bowls in history, easily the best game I've ever covered. Packing up tailgates, Penn State fans feel bittersweet about losing a game they'll remember forever, but still can't believe they just got to watch Saquon Barkley scamper throughout their dream stadium just five years after Joe Paterno's downfall.

"May have been the most exciting Rose Bowl game ever," says Franklin.

"It's what fairy tales are made of," says Helton.

Nov. 23, 2021: In Los Angeles, USC is about to hire its replacement for the fired Helton, and his former Pasadena adversary is the favorite to replace him.

For a while, Penn State's Franklin has been connected to just about every open job in the country (this is a passive way of putting it, as if famous agent Jimmy Sexton's newest client has played no role in those rumors), creating uncertainty in State College. So on Nov. 23, Penn State AD Sandy Barbour announces Franklin's new 10-year deal. Ten years!

In the logic of college football contracts, a logic that has long been carefully cultivated by the agents charged with extracting money from schools, Franklin's decade-long deal is meant to convey monumental stability to recruits and potential assistant coach hires. The instability had of course been summoned by Franklin's supposed USC interest, but that's just capitalism.

Awkwardly, Franklin's team is 7-4 at the time of the contract, having cratered after a 5-0 start. The year prior, 2020, had been a quicker cratering, with Penn State going from a No. 8 preseason ranking to an 0-5 start. So upon learning the 2019 Cotton Bowl and 2017 Fiesta Bowl winner Franklin is set to stick around through 2031, Penn State fans again feel ... bittersweet.

Five days after Franklin's big Penn State extension, the Trojans shockingly hire Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma. A few months later, Patrick Kraft (remember this name) would replace Barbour as PSU AD.

Jan 2., 2023, in Los Angeles: Franklin's Nittany Lions beat Utah in the Rose Bowl, Penn State's second Rose win ever and first since Paterno's in 1994.

Imagine this scenario: Accepting the school and the coach have tired of each other, he then leaves on top, or at least really, really, really close to it. For where? I dunno. Regardless, it feels like the culmination of one of the more perilous rebuilds in football history. Everyone realizes: Huh, that coach who sucks so badly that he can't beat Columbus Thanos ... has actually accomplished something amazing. Bittersweetness forgotten.

Nah! Who the hell would just walk away in L.A., one year into the nearly nine-figure contract he'd obtained partly by acting like he'd wanted to walk away to L.A.?

Oct. 4, 2025, in Los Angeles: Franklin could've weathered the previous weekend's overtime loss at home to Oregon. But the Rose Bowl Stadium, the site of arguably his two best moments, is where it first begins to seem possible that Penn State might spend $45 million to end a decade-long contract not even halfway over yet. Previously winless UCLA 42, previous No. 2 Penn State 37.

Two truths about Franklin's firing:
  • People who have at least $45 million at their disposal just used it to fire the second-most-accomplished coach in school history, who was a 10-2 machine (usually, at least) in a sport where winning double digits is way harder and rarer than Nick Saban made it look. Don't ever tell me rich people are more emotionally stable than regular people.

  • The $45 million left on Franklin's contract might not have been the fault of anyone who paid it make it go away, and this 12-year marriage had already entered "you'd better pull off a Ryan Day championship" grounds. Franklin had bristled and prickled almost the entire time, and Central Pennsylvania had long been sick of his every result being exactly what Vegas had predicted it'd be, either a heart-strangling loss to Michigan or a boring win over Northwestern. (Three days ago, that monkey's paw curled.)
From here, there is zero guarantee that Penn State's next coach will have as many strengths as Franklin, nor that the next coach's weaknesses will be less exhausting than Franklin's turtled-up game planning, inventive clock management and general nervousness. As fans, we always want our coach to be The Current Guy Minus The Specific Things We Hate About The Current Guy. Unfortunately, such a guy does not exist. Do you know how many things Georgia fans hate about Kirby Smart? A million things about the next guy will annoy you, but they'll be new and different things, and that's what hope is all about.

As for who that guy might be, someone at Penn State surely wants to offer Pittsburgh native Curt Cignetti his own planet. But here's a very 2020s CFB question: Why leave this Indiana program for Penn State?

On the early candidates list, Bruce Feldman also counts Nebraska's Matt Rhule as a front-runner. Rhule has already acknowledged his ties to both Penn State and its AD, Kraft, with whom he remains close from their days at Temple.

Within the coming weeks, I'm guessing Cignetti gets another billion-year extension of his own at Indiana and/or former Paterno linebacker Rhule goes home to State College. (Nebraska fans would then inform Penn State fans of all the things about Rhule that have annoyed them, and then Nebraska could look into hiring ... a coach with a .681 career winning percentage, James Franklin.)

 

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Don't ever tell me rich people are more emotionally stable than regular people.
This slaps. Just absolutely spot the fuck on. Clear, concise, relevant, balls out correct.
 

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Why would have have signed that?
From what I understand that's pretty much a standard clause in coach contracts, it's called "duty to mitigate." Sam Pittman actually left money on the table at Arkansas to keep it out of his contract
 

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From what I understand that's pretty much a standard clause in coach contracts, it's called "duty to mitigate." Sam Pittman actually left money on the table at Arkansas to keep it out of his contract
Might be an opportunity for Franklin to take another HC job for a discount (have Penn State pay the difference) and have a bigger pool for assistant coaches, support staff, etc...Not sure where he would land. UCLA would be funny.
 

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Might be an opportunity for Franklin to take another HC job for a discount (have Penn State pay the difference) and have a bigger pool for assistant coaches, support staff, etc...Not sure where he would land. UCLA would be funny.
My money is that UCLA is going to keep the Skipper/Neuheisel thing going. Franklin to Virginia Tech makes a lot of sense to me
 

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Rhule is 0-2 vs Michigan, 0-1 vs Ohio State.

I'm sorry, but that's hilarious. I guess their fans think they can give him PSU resources and he can beat those guys, but you would think they'd be looking for something more considering they're firing Franklin strictly on the basis that he could not beat those two teams.

If Cignetti loses to Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship, he's 0-2 against them.
 

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I get it some what with Rhule, if Tommy Rees rises up the coaching rankings one day I can guarantee you 95% of this board would absolutely want him for that reason. Myself included
 

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That language is absolutely boilerplate.

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I get it some what with Rhule, if Tommy Rees rises up the coaching rankings one day I can guarantee you 95% of this board would absolutely want him for that reason. Myself included
Put me in that 5% that wouldn't. For now. If Tommy shows his coaching chops, I'd want him, but if there is someone better that has never set foot at ND I'm going to want that guy more. If you haven't won a championship in nearly four decades, stands to reason you want someone in that can do that and provide that culture. Alumni might not be the best solution as they're coming in ringless.

I have never understood the fascination of hiring former players for coaching vacancies. At any level. As a Chicago sports fan, it's the meatball solution to everything. The two most successful coaches here in my lifetime never played for the Bulls (Phil Jackson) or Blackhawks (Quenneville). Joe Maddon never made it out of the minors as a player and won a World Series with the Cubs.

The CUBS.

Specific to ND: Rockne and Leahy played for ND. Ara, Devine and Holtz did not. I'm leaning toward just getting "The guy", and at the moment, I think they have.
 

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Rhule is 0-2 vs Michigan, 0-1 vs Ohio State.

I'm sorry, but that's hilarious. I guess their fans think they can give him PSU resources and he can beat those guys, but you would think they'd be looking for something more considering they're firing Franklin strictly on the basis that he could not beat those two teams.

If Cignetti loses to Ohio State in the Big Ten Championship, he's 0-2 against them.

Now list the available coaches that have winning records vs OSU.
 

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I get it some what with Rhule, if Tommy Rees rises up the coaching rankings one day I can guarantee you 95% of this board would absolutely want him for that reason. Myself included
If he turns out to be the greatest coach in football, sure, but barring that I don't see why people would get excited about Rees. Another purple-faced screamer that evokes visions of losing to Tulsa? Why?

Generally, a coach's diploma wouldn't make my top fifty concerns when hiring.
 

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While I didn't think of myself as "arguing" with anybody, I wonder if you ever converse with CFB fans outside of this board. Try polling the people at r/CFB. Ninety percent will call Georgia a blueblood, and that same ninety percent would have called all three bluebloods before recent embarrassments to Clemson and Penn State. Of course, reddit skews young. If you're accustomed to conversing with older folks, you'll find different results.
Most people misuse the term and equate it with 'winning championships.' A blueblood means what you said. It also means a team that your grandpa believes will be good this year. When everyone else loses they drop out of the news. When a blueblood is down they run stories What is wrong with <blueblood> because your grandpa wants to know.
 
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