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This is where I come out at on this topic. There was clearly a disconnect somewhere in the system/plan that caused us to be scrambling or unprepared at the end. This also isn't the first time this has happened during the Kelly era and its left gaps, at different times, at various positions. I think Mike's only mistake was they seemed to talk about it at too much length which some took the wrong way.

Mike addressed a lot of that disconnect and went as far as to suggest it's a reoccurring issue with this staff: The staff knew Prentice had academic issues and they knew about Barratti. Yet they continued to slow play guys like Edwards, etc and wait for the guys like Marshall, etc. He said the staff has a tendency to, not quit on a kid, but seriously slow down a recruitment when they feel content with a certain group. The problem is that when shit inevitably hits the fan, it's too late for the guys they slow played and now they're left scrambling. How many cycles during this staff's tenure have we seen this happen? All of them? Sometimes they get lucky and it works out, but I think Mike's point is that it can always be better and he's frustrated about it.
 

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It's just floors me that you actually believe Mike Frank is trying to "create" drama and manufacture something juicy to talk about. That's not the case, at all. He reports what he hears, and 95% of that is either coming from an assistant coach or player.

The truth is the Trumbetti stuff about being "ignored" or whatever is overstated... but it came privately from Trumbetti himself after the fact. He talked about how there was a period of time where he was hearing from ND analysts much more than he was hearing from ND coaches, and really wasn't sure where he stood with them in terms of "want" because other coaches were contacting him more frequently than ND and going with a harder sell. This is pretty explicable when you consider what all was going on in the winter of 2012/13, but it's the truth per Trumbetti. Obviously, after the season once Diaco decided to stay put and then we made a stop at his HS it all wrapped up pretty quickly after that and all is well that ends well.

I'm as guilty as anyone of living in the moment and drawing conclusions/making overreactions off limited information. And recruiting is always very fluid. And I'm wrong about stuff probably much more so than I'm correct.

But one thing I'm definitely not wrong about is whether Mike Frank is pulling BS out of his ass here for just for sake of talking points. He's not, and it's truly uninformed and laughable to say he is. As I posted earlier in this thread, I strongly disagree with a lot of his opinion that I find has -- at best -- inconsistent logic. However, the dismissive attitude towards what he knows or hears is a joke. For every anecdote he brought up, there is another on guys like Weishar, etc. that I know of. And the amount of information I know almost surely pales in comparison to the people who do this professionally.

I never said he was intentionally trying to create drama. I don't think that was his purpose at all, so you don't need to get so defensive and run around defending Frank. However, he should be held accountable for what he says just like any other recruiting analyst.

So save your indignation and tired lecturing for another day. You fancy yourself an insider and can't help but tell everyone about it. I don't care.
 

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Mike addressed a lot of that disconnect and went as far as to suggest it's a reoccurring issue with this staff: The staff knew Prentice had academic issues and they knew about Barratti. Yet they continued to slow play guys like Edwards, etc and wait for the guys like Marshall, etc. He said the staff has a tendency to, not quit on a kid, but seriously slow down a recruitment when they feel content with a certain group. The problem is that when shit inevitably hits the fan, it's too late for the guys they slow played and now they're left scrambling. How many cycles during this staff's tenure have we seen this happen? All of them? Sometimes they get lucky and it works out, but I think Mike's point is that it can always be better and he's frustrated about it.

Oh I know, I was basically agreeing with him. I guess I just forgot to say that in my post.
 

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I never said he was intentionally trying to create drama. I don't think that was his purpose at all, so you don't need to get so defensive and run around defending Frank. However, he should be held accountable for what he says just like any other recruiting analyst.

So save your indignation and tired lecturing for another day. You fancy yourself an insider and can't help but tell everyone about it. I don't care.

I usually appreciate your opinion, even though we literally always disagree, because of OFD. But the bolded is way off.

I give no craps about being an "insider". I hate the term in general, and actually have stated dozens of times on here that I'm anything but, and all my information is second hand. Go look at any of those stupid awards threads from years past and I always go out of my way to say I shouldn't be up for that.

As for defending Frank, here was my first post on what I thought of what he had to say:
The giant, obvious counterpoint to everything Frank and Driskell are railing on is that the staff DID hustle incredibly hard in the '11 and '12 classes. The result was lots of high profile commitments from extremely highly rated players.

But then those guys that they got to sign up by leaning on them either:
1) Decommitted.
2) Weren't a fit.
3) Washed out.
4) Left early.

So it's a bit ridiculous to say "hey, look how solid these last three classes have been... but they could've been better if XYZ" when there is a moderately large sample size that shows getting kids with XYZ ends up backfiring more than it helps.

So don't act like I'm just over here blindly fellating Mike Frank.
 

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I usually appreciate your opinion, even though we literally always disagree, because of OFD. But the bolded is way off.

I give no craps about being an "insider". I hate the term in general, and actually have stated dozens of times on here that I'm anything but, and all my information is second hand. Go look at any of those stupid awards threads from years past and I always go out of my way to say I shouldn't be up for that.

As for defending Frank, here was my first post on what I thought of what he had to say:


So don't act like I'm just over here blindly fellating Mike Frank.

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I didn't think it was blind. I thought the eyes were always open. Eyes on the prize.
 

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I wonder what's going on in this thread...

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I just wanted to say use the mushroom metaphor.
 

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Can we all pull the stick out of our collective asses and get back to the topic at hand? (Not Lax's hand, mind you**)

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Predicted finish: Williams, ESB, Farrar.

Bunch of talk about how much they like the long-committed kids. There were some other tidbits about current enrollees (the most interesting of which I put in their respective threads).
 

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Predicted finish: Williams, ESB, Farrar.

Bunch of talk about how much they like the long-committed kids. There were some other tidbits about current enrollees (the most interesting of which I put in their respective threads).

Honestly that is a perfect finish.
 

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Honestly that is a perfect finish.

I still want another pass-rusher. I know it's not going to happen but I don't understand why there wasn't more of a focus on that in this cycle. I look at our roster and there are only a couple guys that are close to "sure things" in that area that will be on the team in the 2016. I think we needed at least another body at DE this cycle to improve the chances that one of our projects exceeds expectations.
 

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I still want another pass-rusher. I know it's not going to happen but I don't understand why there wasn't more of a focus on that in this cycle. I look at our roster and there are only a couple guys that are close to "sure things" in that area that will be on the team in the 2016. I think we needed at least another body at DE this cycle to improve the chances that one of our projects exceeds expectations.
Mekhi Brown pulls a Greenberry and sends a fax to ND on NSD.
 

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I still want another pass-rusher. I know it's not going to happen but I don't understand why there wasn't more of a focus on that in this cycle. I look at our roster and there are only a couple guys that are close to "sure things" in that area that will be on the team in the 2016. I think we needed at least another body at DE this cycle to improve the chances that one of our projects exceeds expectations.

Were no DE's just not interested? I never understood why we didn't even attempt to get even a project DE. The staff must have faith in the 2014 haul.
 

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Mekhi Brown pulls a Greenberry and sends a fax to ND on NSD.

I love it when you talk dirty

Were no DE's just not interested? I never understood why we didn't even attempt to get even a project DE. The staff must have faith in the 2014 haul.

I really don't know. I didn't follow recruiting that closely this cycle so someone else could probably provide that answer. If I was in charge I would have made it a top priority.
 

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I still want another pass-rusher. I know it's not going to happen but I don't understand why there wasn't more of a focus on that in this cycle. I look at our roster and there are only a couple guys that are close to "sure things" in that area that will be on the team in the 2016. I think we needed at least another body at DE this cycle to improve the chances that one of our projects exceeds expectations.

Andrew Trumbetti, Kolin Hill, Johnny Williams, and Grant Blankenship last class is why they are only taking Bo Wallace. Not a huge need depth wise but a top 100 instant impact player would have been nice.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>We'll also be dropping a special bonus ISD Intel later this morning. Stay tuned for that. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Irish?src=hash">#Irish</a></p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/561175813090213889">January 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Andrew Trumbetti, Kolin Hill, Johnny Williams, and Grant Blankenship last class is why they are only taking Bo Wallace. Not a huge need depth wise but a top 100 instant impact player would have been nice.

My point is that Trumbetti is basically the player we can say will definitely be an impact starter in 2016. The other three definitely have the potential but I think we needed another "instant impact" player like you said, this cycle.
 

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Andrew Trumbetti, Kolin Hill, Johnny Williams, and Grant Blankenship last class is why they are only taking Bo Wallace. Not a huge need depth wise but a top 100 instant impact player would have been nice.

Yea, basically the staff is pretty high on the long term for last years group as am I. They didn't feel the need to add too much depth at the position, which I agree with as well. They went after some really top talent (Brown, Gustin, etc.) it just didn't workout. So they brought in Wallace who I think is a great long term project. Personally I thought their approach on this was right. Now maybe we could talk about how they recruited those prospects but the big picture I thought was right. Difference maker or bust
 

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Yea, basically the staff is pretty high on the long term for last years group as am I. They didn't feel the need to add too much depth at the position, which I agree with as well. They went after some really top talent (Brown, Gustin, etc.) it just didn't workout. So they brought in Wallace who I think is a great long term project. Personally I thought their approach on this was right. Now maybe we could talk about how they recruited those prospects but the big picture I thought was right. Difference maker or bust

Agreed. Let Wallace sit for two years and get up to 240. I think he'll be a good one
 
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