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[ACamp1900]

Aaron apparently only enjoy "films", not low-brow movies.

"Kubrick or gtfo"

Honestly I guess I just lack the imagination...

 

[GATTACA!]

Legitimately curious where you find conversations about X2 other than this thread. I feel like everyone has forgotten about that trilogy entirely. The general consensus is that 1 was passable, 2 was amazing, 3 was terrible. I don't ever see anyone ever talking about it though.

Also curious where you see glowing retrospectives about the Raimi Spiderman trilogy. The only people I ever see bringing up the McGuire movies are either loving them ironically or straight up making fun of them.

Reddit.

In /r/movies or /r/comicbookmovies people always bring up X2 and Spiderman 2 when the topic of best superhero movies comes up. Even having the gall to mention them in the same breath as the Dark Knight.

I think both were good for when they came out, but don't hold up at all. Just way too cheesy. I think the new Day of Futures Past era X-Men movies are better than those original 3, and even these new ones are kind of middle of the pack in terms of modern comic book movies.

Sam Raimi's trilogy is better than the Garfield crap (Emma Stone was just as bad as Dunst). The Homecoming MCU Spidey will easily crush both earlier versions though.

 

[Irishnuke]

******* BREAKING *******

James Gunn Returns to Direct ‘Guardians of the Galaxy 3’

I kinda doubt that Disney ever really fired him and just did this for show. Either way I’m excited to see Adam Warlock in GOTG 3.

 

[wizards8507]

Reddit.

In /r/movies or /r/comicbookmovies people always bring up X2 and Spiderman 2 when the topic of best superhero movies comes up. Even having the gall to mention them in the same breath as the Dark Knight.

I think both were good for when they came out, but don't hold up at all. Just way too cheesy. I think the new Day of Futures Past era X-Men movies are better than those original 3, and even these new ones are kind of middle of the pack in terms of modern comic book movies.

Sam Raimi's trilogy is better than the Garfield crap (Emma Stone was just as bad as Dunst). The Homecoming MCU Spidey will easily crush both earlier versions though.

The Dark Knight might be the most overrated movie of all time. It's not even the best movie in its trilogy.

 

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The Dark Knight might be the most overrated movie of all time. It's not even the best movie in its trilogy.

 

[greyhammer90]

The Dark Knight might be the most overrated movie of all time. It's not even the best movie in its trilogy.

 

[IrishLion]

The Dark Knight might be the most overrated movie of all time. It's not even the best movie in its trilogy.

1. Batman Begins - it’s a legitimate masterful film

2. Dark Knight - really, really good, but people overvalue the film because of Ledger. He was AMAZING as the Joker, though. Really wonder what could have been had he shown up later.

3. Dark Knight Rises - good the first time, Tom Hardy as Bane is cool, but it’s honestly kind of a slog

 

[ACamp1900]

DKR pretty much sucks compared to the first two

 

[wizards8507]

1. Batman Begins - it’s a legitimate masterful film

2. Dark Knight - really, really good, but people overvalue the film because of Ledger. He was AMAZING as the Joker, though. Really wonder what could have been had he shown up later.

3. Dark Knight Rises - good the first time, Tom Hardy as Bane is cool, but it’s honestly kind of a slog

This guy gets it.

 

[GATTACA!]

1. Batman Begins - it’s a legitimate masterful film

2. Dark Knight - really, really good, but people overvalue the film because of Ledger. He was AMAZING as the Joker, though. Really wonder what could have been had he shown up later.

3. Dark Knight Rises - good the first time, Tom Hardy as Bane is cool, but it’s honestly kind of a slog

Batman Begins is great. It's probably the best origin story of any of the comic book movies, or a close 1b to Iron Man. But it does suffer from the same issues that plague almost every origin story. The villain is super underwritten because so much of the movie is devoted to introducing the protagonists and giving their backstory. How many people could name Raś Al Ghoul off the top of their head? Almost no one because he's largely forgettable. He wants to cull the population of Gotham for........ reasons? He's fine and serves his purpose, but is not memorable at all. Same story with Iron Man 1. Really all 3 Iron Man films to be honest. Warmonger is only a villain for the climax of the movie.

Contrast that with the Dark Knight which has the most memorable villain of all time in the Joker. Ledgers performance was perfection. TDK also has Two Face, who is probably a top 10 comic book movie villain in his own right. The action in TDK is better. The set pieces are better (bank heist, hospital bombing, joker transport, hostage takedown). The stakes feel more real because you actually care about the fate of Harvey and Rachel. It's got the best detective version of Batman we've ever seen on screen.

The Dark Knight is a masterpiece.

 

[wizards8507]

Batman Begins is great. It's probably the best origin story of any of the comic book movies, or a close 1b to Iron Man. But it does suffer from the same issues that plague almost every origin story. The villain is super underwritten because so much of the movie is devoted to introducing the protagonists and giving their backstory. How many people could name Raś Al Ghoul off the top of their head? Almost no one because he's largely forgettable. He wants to cull the population of Gotham for........ reasons? He's fine and serves his purpose, but is not memorable at all. Same story with Iron Man 1. Really all 3 Iron Man films to be honest. Warmonger is only a villain for the climax of the movie.



Contrast that with the Dark Knight which has the most memorable villain of all time in the Joker. Ledgers performance was perfection. TDK also has Two Face, who is probably a top 10 comic book movie villain in his own right. The action in TDK is better. The set pieces are better (bank heist, hospital bombing, joker transport, hostage takedown). The stakes feel more real because you actually care about the fate of Harvey and Rachel. It's got the best detective version of Batman we've ever seen on screen.



The Dark Knight is a masterpiece.

Now do the plot holes and inconsistent character motivations.

Ledger gave a great performance in a mediocre film. Then he died and it became a legendary performance in an amazing film. In reality, it's a convoluted mess.

 

[calvegas04]

Now do the plot holes and inconsistent character motivations.

Ledger gave a great performance in a mediocre film. Then he died and it became a legendary performance in an amazing film. I'm reality, it's a convoluted mess.

In reality it was a great film and a legendary performance

 

[wizards8507]

In reality it was a great film and a legendary performance

Watch it again now that you're a big boy. You'll be shocked how many times you find yourself saying "wait... but why?"

 

[calvegas04]

Watch it again now that you're a big boy. You'll be shocked how many times you find yourself saying "wait... but why?"

What is your favorite comic movie?

 

[wizards8507]

What is your favorite comic movie?

Probably The Avengers, but that's beside the point. I'm not saying The Dark Knight is trash or that other comic book movies are flawless in comparison, I'm just staying the jock-riding from Nolan fanboys is completely disproportionate relative to the quality of the movie. Every movie is flawed, but TDK's flaws go completely ignored.

The Dark Knight Rises is legitimately terrible.

 

[ACamp1900]

Probably The Avengers, but that's beside the point. I'm not saying The Dark Knight is trash or that other comic book movies are flawless in comparison, I'm just staying the jock-riding from Nolan fanboys is completely disproportionate relative to the quality of the movie. Every movie is flawed, but TDK's flaws go completely ignored.

The Dark Knight Rises is legitimately terrible.

Agree on the last part, that was the only comic series I got heavily into,... and I left DKR about as letdown as I was when I saw Last Jedi...

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Agree on the last part, that was the only comic series I got heavily into,... and I left DKR about as letdown as I was when I saw any Star Wars movie after Empire.

preach.

 

[GATTACA!]

Now do the plot holes and inconsistent character motivations.

Ledger gave a great performance in a mediocre film. Then he died and it became a legendary performance in an amazing film. In reality, it's a convoluted mess.

Alright so either Wiz our Disney shill buddy is correct, or basically every other respected movie reviewer and most of the public are.

The Dark Knight:

Rotten Tomatoes critic score: 94%
Rotten Tomatoes audience score: 94%
IMDB: 90/100
Metacritic: 84/100 (the highest score they've ever given a modern comic book movie.)
Variety: 100%
The Hollywood Reporter: 100% (ranked it as the 57th best movie of all time)
Entertainment Weekly: 100%
Rolling Stone: 88%
Roger Ebert: 4/4
Empire: 5/5 (ranked as the 3rd best movie of all time behind ESB and Godfather 1)
IGN: 10/10
NPR: 9.5/10
AV Club: A
USA Today 4/4


I could just keep going on and on. Is the Academy also filled with Nolan fanboys? To this day TDK still has the record for most nominations by a comic book movie. It also has the lone nomination for any acting role in a comic book movie, as well as the only win.

So either all of these people are overlooking the movie being a convoluted mess, or your confusing plot holes with plot conveniences and referring to a bunch of CinemaSins type nitpicks.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Actually speaking TDK, a podcast I listen to reminded me of a great way to watch it: look at the Joker as Nietzche, insisting that truth is irrelevant/doesn't exist.

Btw I saw Captain Marvel. Very solid, pleasantly surprised.

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[wizards8507]

I could just keep going on and on. Is the Academy also filled with Nolan fanboys? To this day TDK still has the record for most nominations by a comic book movie. It also has the lone nomination for any acting role in a comic book movie, as well as the only win.



So either all of these people are overlooking the movie being a convoluted mess, or your confusing plot holes with plot conveniences and referring to a bunch of CinemaSins type nitpicks.

I misspoke on the fanboy comment. It's not Nolan fanboys that are the problem, it's Ledger fanboys.

The plot is a hackneyed mess. Every scene is like an essay prompt in a first year community college philosophy class.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ight-my-most-overrated-film-christopher-nolan

That's basically my take.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

I misspoke on the fanboy comment. It's not Nolan fanboys that are the problem, it's Ledger fanboys.

The plot is a hackneyed mess. Every scene is like an essay prompt in a first year community college philosophy class.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ight-my-most-overrated-film-christopher-nolan

That's basically my take.

So, you want it to be funny?
The entire article is complaining about the lack of laughs and how Batman is too serious.

imo, Two Face wasn't unnecessary, but it should have stopped at introducing him and leaving him for the third film.

 

[ACamp1900]

So, you want it to be funny?
The entire article is complaining about the lack of laughs and how Batman is too serious.

imo, Two Face wasn't unnecessary, but it should have stopped at introducing him and leaving him for the third film.

This was prob my biggest issue as well,...

 

[calvegas04]

imo, Two Face wasn't unnecessary, but it should have stopped at introducing him and leaving him for the third film.

Agree really the only issue with TDK

 

[IrishLion]

Expanded upon from the "movies" thread:

Saw Captain Marvel on Friday.

I really enjoyed it. I thought it was a nice change up on the "origin" formula, trying to piece things together along with the character and trying to figure out what the "twist" would be.

I'm not sure that it will have the 'rewatchability' factor like some of the other MCU films have, simply because a lot of the fun and impact from the story was set up by the mystery, rather than the set pieces themselves. It was pretty funny, but the humor exists in the one-liners, and the knowledge that Fury is not nearly that innocent later in the MCU.

Iron Man is rewatchable because it's just a really good movie, and because Tony Stark's mannerisms and humor are enjoyable, even when you know which one-liners are coming.

Some of the other movies are rewatchable because of the set pieces (Avengers, Infinity War, Ragnarok).

Some of them are rewatchable simply because they're very unique in their style or humor (Guardians of the Galaxy, Black Panther).

Some aren't very rewatchable at all.

I'd put Captain Marvel ~10th in my MCU rankings, and it would definitely be the best of the "probably not very rewatchable" movies.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Honestly, I tried rewatching Black Panther last week and couldn't. Vs Ant Man and the Wasp, which I had no problem rewatching.

Cap Marvel: I'm glad they did something different with Ben Mendelsohn. Excellent casting choice

 

[IrishLion]

Honestly, I tried rewatching Black Panther last week and couldn't. Vs Ant Man and the Wasp, which I had no problem rewatching.

Cap Marvel: I'm glad they did something different with Ben Mendelsohn. Excellent casting choice

I can rewatch Black Panther because the African influence and the soundtrack offer enough to make the film unique in the MCU, at least for my tastes.

It does remind me that Martin Freeman should never take a role where he's forced into an American accent, though.

Totally agree on Mendelsohn. Nice little curveball that totally transformed the character for the last half of the film.

Maybe one rewatch would be good, just to see how things are different when you know what's really going on, but beyond that, I'm not sure that "Goofy Nick Fury" and "Befuddled Carol Danvers" would be enough to hold my interest over the course of the film.

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">21ST CENTURY FOX ANNOUNCES COMPLETION OF DISTRIBUTION IN CONNECTION WITH DISNEY ACQUISITION: <a href="https://t.co/OHUJjX9w1k">https://t.co/OHUJjX9w1k</a></p>— 21st Century Fox (@21CF) <a href="https://twitter.com/21CF/status/1107983362281607169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2019</a>

 

[GATTACA!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">21ST CENTURY FOX ANNOUNCES COMPLETION OF DISTRIBUTION IN CONNECTION WITH DISNEY ACQUISITION: <a href="https://t.co/OHUJjX9w1k">https://t.co/OHUJjX9w1k</a></p>— 21st Century Fox (@21CF) <a href="https://twitter.com/21CF/status/1107983362281607169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 19, 2019</a>

So the post credit scene will 100% be something acquired in the merger right?

What are our bets? I'm thinking F4. It's too close to the release of Dark Phoenix for them to set up their X-Men universe already. They won't want to confuse even more general audiences. F4 has nothing going on right now anyways.

Maybe Dr Doom? That wouldn't even require an actor if done right.

 

[calvegas04]

Just saw Captain Marvel and would give it a 6/10

 

[Huntr]

So the post credit scene will 100% be something aquired in the merger right?

What are our bets? I'm thinking F4. It's too close to the release of Dark PHoenix for them to set up their X-Men universe already. They won't want to confuse even more general audiences. F4 has nothing going on right now anyways.

Maybe Dr Doom? That wouldn't even require an actor if done right.

*snikt*