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[GATTACA!]

 

[calvegas04]

Looks good? Seems like a lot going on for a first movie

 

[GATTACA!]

Looks good? Seems like a lot going on for a first movie

Looks great. I think a lot of it will take up less time than the trailer makes it seem like. I’d guess Hawkgirl, Mr Terrific, and Guy Gardner are all part of an evil JSA team for Lex. So they won’t have huge roles themselves.

 

[IrishLion]

One thing Gunn was good at with Guardians was introducing a large number of peripheral characters without it feeling overwhelming.

Seems like he’s going for the same with Superman to start building the new DCEU

 

[greyhammer90]

Run from it, hide from it, the John Williams theme will make you want to see it all the same.

 

[Irishnuke]

It looks great. Not completely dark and dreary like Snyder's take. I just wonder if too much damage has already been done to DC to get anybody interested. That plus Marvel laying turd after turd and Sony constantly fucking up Spiderman-adjacent characters have really put a sour taste in fans' mouths since Endgame. Hopefully this is the course correction that DC, and really all superhero movies desperately needs.

 

[calvegas04]

Man of Steel will be very difficult to top

 

[greyhammer90]

Man of Steel will be very difficult to top

They'd need to really pull out all the stops and make something mediocre if they want to improve on Man of Steel.

 

[IrishLion]

They'd need to really pull out all the stops and make something mediocre if they want to improve on Man of Steel.

You really thought it was less than mediocre??

It's been a few years since I've watched it all the way through, but it always felt like a legit epic to me.

Maybe I'm easily impressed... but it hits the right buttons for me. The scenes on Krypton feel like you're watching a myth come to life, Clark's origin story is average super hero fare, then when the Superman stuff starts happening, it feels impactful to me. The "finding the Kyrptonian ship in the ice" thing is also handled well, if not a bit drawn out.

I also thought they nailed Zod and his crew relaying the "we're better than you, and we know it!" without saying it outright. Just the whole air of superiority, almost royalty, that is unannounced.

It felt like real super humans had shown up, not just some bozos that were about to get their asses kicked.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You really thought it was less than mediocre??

It's been a few years since I've watched it all the way through, but it always felt like a legit epic to me.

Maybe I'm easily impressed... but it hits the right buttons for me. The scenes on Krypton feel like you're watching a myth come to life, Clark's origin story is average super hero fare, then when the Superman stuff starts happening, it feels impactful to me. The "finding the Kyrptonian ship in the ice" thing is also handled well, if not a bit drawn out.

I also thought they nailed Zod and his crew relaying the "we're better than you, and we know it!" without saying it outright. Just the hole air of superiority, almost royalty, that is unannounced.

It felt like real super humans had shown up, not just some bozos that were about to get their asses kicked.

I’m not belittling you in any way and I agree with most of what you say here but I have deep seated issues with the way Snyder handled Superman in his movies… things that just make it unwatchable for me. Things that just undermine Superman’s mythology. I’m not Superman bro but man… IMO did ZS really depart from what I thought Superman was all about.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Looks good? Seems like a lot going on for a first movie

I like the title graphics and music. Definitely hits the Christopher Reeve movie vibe and Krypto…. Gunn is pretty good with bringing animal characters to life.

Also Eva Green is always nice.

 

[IrishLion]

I’m not belittling you in any way and I agree with most of what you say here but I have deep seated issues with the way Snyder handled Superman in his movies… things that just make it unwatchable for me. Things that just undermine Superman’s mythology.

I respect that. I honestly had not seen much, if any, previous Superman IP.

I was an X-Men kid growing up. Watching Cyclops send laser beams and Gambit throw magical cards at giant sentinels was my shit. Also loved Rogue, for unrelated reasons.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I respect that. I honestly had not seen much, if any, previous Superman IP.

I was an X-Men kid growing up. Watching Cyclops send laser beams and Gambit throw magical cards at giant sentinels was my shit. Also loved Rogue, for unrelated reasons.

Yeah you right. I’m all about X-men! I never was able to stay away from redheads though. Jean Grey. Teela, Scarlet,…. Ended up marrying one too. Lol

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

You really thought it was less than mediocre??

It's been a few years since I've watched it all the way through, but it always felt like a legit epic to me.

Maybe I'm easily impressed... but it hits the right buttons for me. The scenes on Krypton feel like you're watching a myth come to life, Clark's origin story is average super hero fare, then when the Superman stuff starts happening, it feels impactful to me. The "finding the Kyrptonian ship in the ice" thing is also handled well, if not a bit drawn out.

I also thought they nailed Zod and his crew relaying the "we're better than you, and we know it!" without saying it outright. Just the whole air of superiority, almost royalty, that is unannounced.

It felt like real super humans had shown up, not just some bozos that were about to get their asses kicked.

Agreed. I thought Man of Steel was epic. I wish he continued building that world instead of introducing the rest of the DC characters in the next one.

 

[greyhammer90]

Maybe I'm easily impressed...

Well, you do love Assassin's Creed. Ba Dum Tish.

The tone of the movie was a mess and tried to make Superman a brooding, dark figure. Superman can be a serious character who is seriously frightening when presented from the POV of the villians, but he's essentially a golden retriever. He fights for truth, justice, and the American way. A common excuse given by lazy screenwriters is that this sort of character is too one dimensional or that the current world is too cynical to buy into that type of character, but thats a cop out. Captain America is a hugely popular Avenger and he's written exactly how Superman should have been. Snyder tried to make Superman in the same tone as he made Watchman. Its a terrible decision.

Screenplay was boring and overly long, wasting a bunch of time establishing a backstory that every moviegoer largely knows beat for beat while being overly serious and leaning into Christ imagery so often it could become a drinking game. Villians also had an extremely boring motivation (We want to terraform Earth) and method (We have big laser). Michael Shannon was totally wasted in the role. Amy Addams also had no chemistry with Cavil.

The action also somehow sucked. I'm not a guy who agrees with Red Letter Media often these days, but Mike described the last battle with Zod as being indistinguishable from a scrambled screen with white noise after the first 3 minutes. I still remember him saying that because it reflected my experience so well. It's the only movie I can remember giving me a headache in the theatre because it was just a wall of noise.

Then it ends with Superman breaking General Zod's neck and crying. Fun!

Lastly it established the busy/drab/ugly design philosophy that would carry over to the whole DC Universe. Anyone who wonders why the Marvel movies won can look at the visual appeal of Iron Man versus Man Of Steel and have their question answered.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Well, you do love Assassin's Creed. Ba Dum Tish.

The tone of the movie was a mess and tried to make Superman a brooding, dark figure. Superman can be a serious character who is seriously frightening when presented from the POV of the villians, but he's essentially a golden retriever. He fights for truth, justice, and the American way. A common excuse given by lazy screenwriters is that this sort of character is too one dimensional or that the current world is too cynical to buy into that type of character, but thats a cop out. Captain America is a hugely popular Avenger and he's written exactly how Superman should have been. Snyder tried to make Superman in the same tone as he made Watchman. Its a terrible decision.

Screenplay was boring and overly long, wasting a bunch of time establishing a backstory that every moviegoer largely knows beat for beat while being overly serious and leaning into Christ imagery so often it could become a drinking game. Villians also had an extremely boring motivation (We want to terraform Earth) and method (We have big laser). Michael Shannon was totally wasted in the role. Amy Addams also had no chemistry with Cavil.

The action also somehow sucked. I'm not a guy who agrees with Red Letter Media often these days, but Mike described the last battle with Zod as being indistinguishable from a scrambled screen with white noise after the first 3 minutes. I still remember him saying that because it reflected my experience so well. It's the only movie I can remember giving me a headache in the theatre because it was just a wall of noise.

Then it ends with Superman breaking General Zod's neck and crying. Fun!

Lastly it established the busy/drab/ugly design philosophy that would carry over to the whole DC Universe. Anyone who wonders why the Marvel movies won can look at the visual appeal of Iron Man versus Man Of Steel and have their question answered.

Yep. For me Superman should have gone through his formative adolescence in Smallville and already have come out as the sure and certain person we know him to be. The Pa Kent scene with the tornado made me lol in the theater and they lost me there. The utter destruction of metropolis admittedly partly because of the machine but much was of the fight with Zod and zooming through skyscrapers.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'll add that I think the beginning of the teaser for the new movie is 100% intended to say "we hear you" to people like me. It starts with Superman being bloodied and bruised in a very Snyder-esque pose and looks extremely serious and drab. Then Superman whistles for Krypto and suddenly there's color, and fun looking villians, and the John Williams theme comes in, and you're like "Oh yeah, Superman is awesome actually."

 

[IrishLion]

Well, you do love Assassin's Creed. Ba Dum Tish.

 

[IrishLion]

The tone of the movie was a mess and tried to make Superman a brooding, dark figure. Superman can be a serious character who is seriously frightening when presented from the POV of the villians, but he's essentially a golden retriever. He fights for truth, justice, and the American way. A common excuse given by lazy screenwriters is that this sort of character is too one dimensional or that the current world is too cynical to buy into that type of character, but thats a cop out. Captain America is a hugely popular Avenger and he's written exactly how Superman should have been. Snyder tried to make Superman in the same tone as he made Watchman. Its a terrible decision.

Screenplay was boring and overly long, wasting a bunch of time establishing a backstory that every moviegoer largely knows beat for beat while being overly serious and leaning into Christ imagery so often it could become a drinking game. Villians also had an extremely boring motivation (We want to terraform Earth) and method (We have big laser). Michael Shannon was totally wasted in the role. Amy Addams also had no chemistry with Cavil.

Lastly it established the busy/drab/ugly design philosophy that would carry over to the whole DC Universe. Anyone who wonders why the Marvel movies won can look at the visual appeal of Iron Man versus Man Of Steel and have their question answered.

I'm picking up on the consistent disappointment with how they altered Superman's personality, and I can understand that.

It says a lot about Shannon that he should've had more to do, and yet was still one of the best parts of the move to me lol.

As for Adams, I honestly don't know that I've seen a movie/show where she DID have legit chemistry with her love interest. She's a decent actor, but the love interest thing just isn't her strong suit, I don't think. Even in "The Office," where it should be the easiest thing in the world to have chemistry with John Krasinski for half an episode... she just seemed stiff. People loved "Arrival," but the end honestly didn't hit as hard as it should have. Why? She's better with "things to do" more so than "people to care about." My wife loves this movie that she makes me watch every February called "Leap Year," chick flick set in Ireland. Adams is supposed to fall in love with her local guide/driver, and once they have fallen in love by the end of the movie, I have no idea why the relationship worked out.

The overarching dark, brooding feeling even appears in the movies that were supposed to reverse the trend. I thought "Shazam" was fun, and they TRIED to make it lighter and more fun... but it still felt too dark and brooding lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I absolutely loved Peacemaker by Gunn.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I'm picking up on the consistent disappointment with how they altered Superman's personality, and I can understand that.

It says a lot about Shannon that he should've had more to do, and yet was still one of the best parts of the move to me lol.

As for Adams, I honestly don't know that I've seen a movie/show where she DID have legit chemistry with her love interest. She's a decent actor, but the love interest thing just isn't her strong suit, I don't think. Even in "The Office," where it should be the easiest thing in the world to have chemistry with John Krasinski for half an episode... she just seemed stiff. People loved "Arrival," but the end honestly didn't hit as hard as it should have. Why? She's better with "things to do" more so than "people to care about." My wife loves this movie that she makes me watch every February called "Leap Year," chick flick set in Ireland. Adams is supposed to fall in love with her local guide/driver, and once they have fallen in love by the end of the movie, I have no idea why the relationship worked out.

The overarching dark, brooding feeling even appears in the movies that were supposed to reverse the trend. I thought "Shazam" was fun, and they TRIED to make it lighter and more fun... but it still felt too dark and brooding lol

Every time I hear Amy Adams deliver lines it’s like I’m back in Elden Ring and being chided as being a Tarnished.

As far as her part in Superman movies they tried to give her things to do but ultimately she still ended up causing more problems for Superman and mange’s to still be a damsel in distress. I did not get the chemistry either that could lead to her being the reason for Injustice.

 

[calvegas04]

This superman is going to be geared towards kids and marvel fans it seems

 

[IrishLion]

Every time I hear Amy Adams deliver lines it’s like I’m back in Elden Ring and being chided as being a Tarnished.

As far as her part in Superman movies they tried to give her things to do but ultimately she still ended up causing more problems for Superman and mange’s to still be a damsel in distress. I did not get the chemistry either that could lead to her being the reason for Injustice.

Best she's ever been:

 

[BleedingGold]

I think what makes me a Superman fan is what makes him hard to relate to and thus a limited draw. He is HOPE, he is intended not to be complex but a symbol of goodness. It’s why I’ve always hated the concepts of Injustice, it makes everything about him a complete sham.

I won’t deny the leader tease telling you to look up reminded me why people like Superman, and I hope that is the image he holds true to while at the same time I know better, relatability forbids that path as sadly as that says something about us more than I like to admit.

 

[Huntr]

I have deep seated issues with the way Snyder handle...his movies

Me too

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Well, you do love Assassin's Creed. Ba Dum Tish.

The tone of the movie was a mess and tried to make Superman a brooding, dark figure. Superman can be a serious character who is seriously frightening when presented from the POV of the villians, but he's essentially a golden retriever. He fights for truth, justice, and the American way. A common excuse given by lazy screenwriters is that this sort of character is too one dimensional or that the current world is too cynical to buy into that type of character, but thats a cop out. Captain America is a hugely popular Avenger and he's written exactly how Superman should have been. Snyder tried to make Superman in the same tone as he made Watchman. Its a terrible decision.

Screenplay was boring and overly long, wasting a bunch of time establishing a backstory that every moviegoer largely knows beat for beat while being overly serious and leaning into Christ imagery so often it could become a drinking game. Villians also had an extremely boring motivation (We want to terraform Earth) and method (We have big laser). Michael Shannon was totally wasted in the role. Amy Addams also had no chemistry with Cavil.

The action also somehow sucked. I'm not a guy who agrees with Red Letter Media often these days, but Mike described the last battle with Zod as being indistinguishable from a scrambled screen with white noise after the first 3 minutes. I still remember him saying that because it reflected my experience so well. It's the only movie I can remember giving me a headache in the theatre because it was just a wall of noise.

Then it ends with Superman breaking General Zod's neck and crying. Fun!

Lastly it established the busy/drab/ugly design philosophy that would carry over to the whole DC Universe. Anyone who wonders why the Marvel movies won can look at the visual appeal of Iron Man versus Man Of Steel and have their question answered.

So I’ve read this post a few times and been thinking about it and I keep going back to the fact that The Dark Knight trilogy was by Nolan. I understand he wasn’t a big fan of super heroe movie genre but I think we can agree he has a penchant for story telling and his overall themes and pallet are consistent (I have issues with the DK Rises but for another time).

I think why DK was successful because Nolan told a good story and had memorable characters and balanced them with the appropriate tone, anction and pallete (mostly).

I also believe Nolan was involved with production and writing for MoS and it seemed they tried to take what made his DK successful and apply it to a dark and grittier Justice League. Problem for me is that I’m not sure Superman as I understand him…. I just don’t see him working well in a dark and brooding theme or color palette. I mean you’d almost have to go to the Injustice storyline to make that match.

Then they have success with WW which was mostly in a dark and gritty World war era. I actually liked this. Thought it was balanced and a good take on her. 88 was trash omg.

But then they take a Frank Miller Batman and make him tell jokes and have witty repertoire with JL members. I can’t keep up with the intent and it was all a huge miss for me. I also think they made a huge mistake bringing the JL together before establishing the characters with their own movies. Again look at marvel. The Avengers all had their own movies before they became the Avengers. Out of the blue we have Frank Miller Batman telling jokes and assembling a team of characters who have to be developed through messy exposition. Always a recipe for failure (suicide squad).

But then…. I watched Snyder’s cut of justice league and it was so much better than Wheedon’s cut. By a country mile.

It was just a poor mess in the end and that comes down to the studio and execution of the plan ( if there was one)