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Polish Leppy 22

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that unc game is going to be tough on the road

Nah. Even if the stadium were full (it will be empty) it seats about 35,000. And all the talent on their roster is the freshman class. ND should worry more about Pitt and when they play FSU (earlier in the year vs later in the year).
 

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Guys, imagine if we win an ACC championship before Miami, then dip.


EREKT.

Bwahahahaha.

Somehow, I hate UMiami today as much as I did when I was an ND fan at MiamiU in the mid-80's. That would be the greatest dine & dash in sports history.
 

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What if:

Trevor Lawrence opts out and ND beats Clemson twice, goes 11-0.

CFB will lose it's mind.

IF that happens, I hope Covid shuts down Bowls / CFP so I can order my 2020 Undefeated National Champs shirt.
 

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Tbh, shouldn't Lawrence? He's a lock for #1, he's already won a natty and has nothing left to prove.
 

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A better question might be...if ND does manage to run the table this year, does the extra incentive of playing for and winning the ACC championship push us toward a discussion of joining the conference full time?
 

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A better question might be...if ND does manage to run the table this year, does the extra incentive of playing for and winning the ACC championship push us toward a discussion of joining the conference full time?

If we run the table the opposite would happen. We'll be bitching that we have to play Clemson a second time instead of skating into the playoffs.
 

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A better question might be...if ND does manage to run the table this year, does the extra incentive of playing for and winning the ACC championship push us toward a discussion of joining the conference full time?

Yeah that's a worse scenario then beating Clemson and automatically getting into the playoffs because you took down the #1 team and lost 0-1 games.

Now if we lose to Cemson rd.1 then beat them if we were to make it to the ACC championship game resulting in a playoff birth, then that argument holds more water.
 

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A better question might be...if ND does manage to run the table this year, does the extra incentive of playing for and winning the ACC championship push us toward a discussion of joining the conference full time?


You know what is going to happen. We win out, run the table and make the playoffs. The pundits and twatter experts will say that this year "doesn't count" because of covid.
 

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so let me make sure im understanding this. we get to play a full schedule, compete for CGG, and increased our TV revenue.

In what ways is this bad for ND?
 

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so let me make sure im understanding this. we get to play a full schedule, compete for CGG, and increased our TV revenue.

In what ways is this bad for ND?


Because ND has to split the NBC revenue and it is a CRAP TON of money
 

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Because ND has to split the NBC revenue and it is a CRAP TON of money

ND would make more money joining ACC than being independent. I would say the ACC is scratching our backs by allowing us to join for the year as they will be reaping the benefits as well while really helping ND out w/ the logistics of scheduling teams/venues etc....you know the ACC is hoping this is just the start of them joining full time..meanwhile the acc commish is like

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You know what is going to happen. We win out, run the table and make the playoffs. The pundits and twatter experts will say that this year "doesn't count" because of covid.

Who cares? Our haters would have come up with similar arguments if K-State hadn't choked against Baylor in 2012 and we had beaten them in the NCG.
 

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Each ACC school gets 29.5 Mil per annum from their conference TV Deal
ND gets 15 Mil per annum from NBC
 

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we didn't increase our tv revenue, we are splitting (nbc money) w/ every acc member

some are saying its actually an increase albeit slight due to the acc also including us in the split of ESPN money.

Each ACC school gets 29.5 Mil per annum from their conference TV Deal
ND gets 15 Mil per annum from NBC

Total ACC ESPN Deal = 413 / 15 teams (acc + ND) = 27.53m
Total ND NBC Deal = 15 / 15 teams (acc + ND) = 1m
Total ND TV revenue = 28.53m
28.53m > 15m
 
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Each ACC school gets 29.5 Mil per annum from their conference TV Deal
ND gets 15 Mil per annum from NBC

So honestly, what is the point of the NBC/ND relationship? Less exposure, terrible broadcasts,etc. Please ND, join a conference and get rid of this NBC contract!
 

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So honestly, what is the point of the NBC/ND relationship? Less exposure, terrible broadcasts,etc. Please ND, join a conference and get rid of this NBC contract!

or maintain their independence and sign a better TV deal
 

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I would be down for that! Just feel that ND isn't getting exposure it deserves on CFB Saturday's because of it.

I disagree, Unless one of the bigger sports networks is willing to guarantee ND will be on their main channels (ABC, CBS, FOX, ESPN) and not one of their regional or specialty networks. I know NBC has been adding 1 game on NBCSN the past couple seasons and I think that needs to stop too
 

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Incorrect. Financially this is a wash or a slight bump up for ND. ND makes less from NBC than any ACC school does from its TV deal.

some are saying its actually an increase albeit slight due to the acc also including us in the split of ESPN money.

Total ACC ESPN Deal = 413 / 15 teams (acc + ND) = 27.53m
Total ND NBC Deal = 15 / 15 teams (acc + ND) = 1m
Total ND TV revenue = 28.53m
28.53m > 15m

So honestly, what is the point of the NBC/ND relationship? Less exposure, terrible broadcasts,etc. Please ND, join a conference and get rid of this NBC contract!
This is not accurate.
 

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I disagree, Unless one of the bigger sports networks is willing to guarantee ND will be on their main channels (ABC, CBS, FOX, ESPN) and not one of their regional or specialty networks. I know NBC has been adding 1 game on NBCSN the past couple seasons and I think that needs to stop too

ND games on Peacock instead of NBCSN in the future no doubt..
 

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So honestly, what is the point of the NBC/ND relationship? Less exposure, terrible broadcasts,etc. Please ND, join a conference and get rid of this NBC contract!

Yeah...lol ND should totally give up being a part of every basic TV package in America.

Notre Dame and NBC is an American institution at this point. I don't see a reason to give up a big part of what makes ND who they are unless there is some markedly better way to do move forward.

I do think this is the second beginning of the end of Notre Dame independence (the first being the O.G. agreement with the ACC).
 

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It’s also notable that beyond stabilizing Notre Dame’s 2020 football schedule in a conference-focused world where they could have been left out entirely (the most important part of this picture), this move also could lead to a financial gain for the Irish. A full share of ACC TV revenue looks better for them than their own deal with NBC. As per a piece from David M. Hale and Dave Wilson of ESPN earlier this month, the 2018-19 financial year saw the ACC pay out at at least $27 million per institution in normal per-school distributions, with an average of around $29 million per school. Meanwhile, Notre Dame received around $7 million from the ACC for their non-football membership in the league, and their football deal with NBC (which runs through 2025) is reportedly worth around $15 million per year, and they get another $3.19 million from the College Football Playoff each year (regardless of if they’re selected; they were not in 2019-20, but were in 2018-19). So that suggests they received about $25.2 million in total last year (plus whatever they got from the Big Ten as an associate member there for hockey).

So it looks like being a full ACC member would have been worth at least $2 million annually to the Irish last year, and probably more likely around $4 million (putting them to that $29 million average). And that’s before you add their own NBC and CFP money into the general ACC pot. Obviously, the figures are going to be much different this year thanks to the pandemic (and its cancellation of the 2020 NCAA basketball tournament and spring seasons and championships, and its still-to-come effects on football and other fall sports). But it still seems pretty likely this revenue-sharing arrangement will work out in Notre Dame’s favor financially, even if the exact numbers aren’t known yet.

Of course, that doesn’t mean “Notre Dame is guaranteed to join the ACC permanently in football!” This year’s circumstances are extremely unique, and a firmer conference affiliation makes sense for the Irish in a world where so many conferences are going conference-only (or, in the case of the ACC, “conference-only plus one under a strict set of circumstances”). And that’s the bigger deal here than the financial side. And while Notre Dame might gain more financially from being a conference member than being independent at the moment, that isn’t necessarily the case for all time; the big question there will be about what the TV offers look like for the Irish as their current NBC contract gets closer to its expiry. But the financial side of this is interesting, and it’s further incentive still for Notre Dame to make this move this year.

(so it's not known yet)
https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/acc-notre-dame-combined-tv-revenues.html
 

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I'm sure Jack and the boys are pretty happy with "pretty likely" revenue increase plus a guaranteed schedule and a shot at an ACC championship in season where our schedule was in limbo.

Related to schedule - ticket office just emailed me saying they are pausing all payments on season tickets as the schedule and attendance/capacity is unknown.
 
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