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[dublinirish]

is there a link for this rumor by sampson or is it behind paywall?

 

[Irish#1]

Play San Jose St at Lambeau. Press would eat up the most historic football program playing at the Mecca of pro football. SJS is so far away and a small fan base, so no one would have to worry about flooding the venue with the wrong fans. Problem solved!

 

[GBdomer]

I'm disappointed to hear that. You need to have more pride in your home fanbase. You can certainly find more passionate fans. They reside in the 4th Phase! Green Bay sucks!

You couldn't be more wrong here. When have you visited Green Bay? There aren't more passionate fans in pro football because it's literally the only thing here and it's talked about on the radio 365 days a week. There might not be a whole lot to do in Green Bay but on Sunday there isn't a better town to spend gameday and Green Bay is far from "sucking". I've seen you're YouTube videos so I know you're a Bears fan like myself but don't be that guy right now. I'm trying to be nice to what I would really like to say

 

[BGIF]

I'd love a SS game in...

-Nashville against Tennessee
-Seattle against Washington
-Charlotte against South Carolina
-Philadelphia against Penn State
-New Orleans against Texas A&M

These games and locales are interesting, as well as WIS, in GB but I believe all are contractually NOT possible.

NBC has the TV rights for SS games while BIG, SEC, PAC, etc have their own TV coverage contracts within the states covered by their conference membership. NBC TV rights dictate that the other team has to play in a city outside their conference limits making WIS in GB or Milwaukee not possible.

Nashville against WIS, PSU, UW, or A&M are possibles but an SEC team.
Seattle against So Carolina, PSU, A&M or WIS are possibles but not PAC team.
Etc, etc.

 

[wizards8507]

NBC has the TV rights for SS games while BIG, SEC, PAC, etc have their own TV coverage contracts within the states covered by their conference membership. NBC TV rights dictate that the other team has too play in a city outside their conference limits making WIS in GB or Milwaukee not possible.

What about Maryland in Maryland or BC in Boston?

 

[Classic Irish]

How about Illinois at the old Rams stadium in St Louis?

or:

Vandy / UK in Cincy?

PSU, WVU or Cincinnati in Cleveland.

Cincinnati, Illinois, UK, Mizzou in Indy

Minnesota or Iowa at Lambeau

Mizzou or Iowa at Soldier Field.

Sorry Detroit, no soup for you.

You really have this thing for playing in NFL stadiums. God forbid that we should play college football games on a college campus.

 

[Classic Irish]

You want to control the crowds. ND folks being the filthy capitalists they are would sell out and it would be a sea of red.

Did Nebraska teach you nothing?!

You wanna play Wisco, do it in Soldier Field or Indy.

How about one game in Madison and one game in South Bend? I couldn't care less about playing in NFL stadiums.

 

[GoIrish41]

I'd love to see ND play a game in Hampton Roads, but I can't think of a venue that's big enough. Every year there is a ton of talent that comes out of that area and this is the first year I can recall that we've gotten a verbal from a stud from there.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

You really have this thing for playing in NFL stadiums. God forbid that we should play college football games on a college campus.

How about one game in Madison and one game in South Bend? I couldn't care less about playing in NFL stadiums.

Are you missing the point of the Shamrock Series, or do you just have disdain for it?

 

[Rack Em]

How about a game in Gary, IN against the inmates from the IN State Penitentiary?

If you're going to play the guessing game, at least get creative.

 

[BGIF]

How about a game in Gary, IN against the inmates from the IN State Penitentiary?

If you're going to play the guessing game, at least get creative.

Paul Crewe could do color commentary!

 

[BGIF]

What about Maryland in Maryland or BC in Boston?

Same problem the state of MD is BIG coverage rights. BC in MA is ACC territory BUT why play BC in an SS game when BC is part of the ND 5 game ACC opponent rotation commitment? ND would be giving up a home game to play an opponent that would appear on their schedule on the ACC's rotation.

NBC TV rights dictate that the other team has to play in a city outside their conference limits

Playing UMD in Boston or BC in Baltimore are both workable from TV rights perspective IF ACC oks the ACC game move and waives rights as two ACC members would be involved.


The TV rights/venue issue was discussed at length over the past few years in a thread on the SS series as well as in the actual SS GameDay threads.

 

[BGIF]

I'd love to see ND play a game in Hampton Roads, but I can't think of a venue that's big enough. Every year there is a ton of talent that comes out of that area and this is the first year I can recall that we've gotten a verbal from a stud from there.

That's why ND and Navy play in Baltimore or Landover, etc. Those stadiums draws Navy personnel from Hampton Roads and might get some recruits if their willing to drive to get there.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

 

[Classic Irish]

Are you missing the point of the Shamrock Series, or do you just have disdain for it?

I realize I'm in the minority, but I do have disdain for it. I think college football should be played in college football stadiums. If someone is so enamored with NFL stadiums, then go follow the NFL.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I realize I'm in the minority, but I do have disdain for it. I think college football should be played in college football stadiums. If someone is so enamored with NFL stadiums, then go follow the NFL.

Like our recruits and current players?

 

[Classic Irish]

Like our recruits and current players?

So therefore we should not play games in ND stadium and only play in Soldier Field or Lucas Oil because that what the recruits and players want? This is college football. It's not the NFL.

 

[wizards8507]

Like our recruits and current players?

Do they really? A half-empty MetLife Stadium seems way shittier than a full Yale Bowl.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So therefore we should not play games in ND stadium and only play in Soldier Field or Lucas Oil because that what the recruits and players want? This is college football. It's not the NFL.

C'mon... "Oh, so you enjoy the occasional hotel stay for recreational purposes? THEREFORE, you must sell your house and never stay anywhere but hotels."

Choosing to give up one home game a year to boost recruiting, excite our players, and improve the program's national profile doesn't logically entail the shuttering of Rock's House.

Do they really? A half-empty MetLife Stadium seems way shittier than a full Yale Bowl.

Swarbrick's a lot smarter than either of us, and he's convinced the Shamrock Series offers lots of unique benefits to NDFB.

 

[Rack Em]

So therefore we should not play games in ND stadium and only play in Soldier Field or Lucas Oil because that what the recruits and players want? This is college football. It's not the NFL.

You do know that the recruits and current players are the ones who actually play the football game?

You sound like the mom from The Waterboy.

 

[wizards8507]

Swarbrick's a lot smarter than either of us, and he's convinced the Shamrock Series offers lots of unique benefits to NDFB.

To be clear, I wasn't objecting to the Shamrock Series in general. I think it does a lot of good for both the program and the university. I just don't necessarily embrace the "NFL stadiums are objectively superior" argument.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

To be clear, I wasn't objecting to the Shamrock Series in general. I think it does a lot of good for both the program and the university. I just don't necessarily embrace the "NFL stadiums are objectively superior" argument.

I certainly wasn't looking to endorse that argument (which I strongly disagree with anyway).

 

[BobbyMac]

Do they really? A half-empty MetLife Stadium seems way shittier than a full Yale Bowl.

I hate to pick on you but are you really forecasting 41,000ish for the Syracuse game?

If not, what do you expect the attendance to be?

 

[wizards8507]

I hate to pick on you but are you really forecasting 41,000ish for the Syracuse game?

If not, what do you expect the attendance to be?

1. "Half full" is a euphemism for "visibly not a sellout because you see loads of empty seats." All I know is that the only Shamrock Series games that have been sellouts have been in baseball stadiums. Huge empty sections in the corners of AT&T Stadium or Lucas Oil Stadium are a bad look for a prime time game. I'd argue that the look is bad enough that it does more damage to the brand via TV than it does benefit the brand via the experience of players and recruits inside the stadium.

2. Notre Dame - Syracuse is not a Shamrock Series game. The stadium will likely be quite full because both Notre Dame and Syracuse have huge followings in New York. The problem arises when there's a neutral site game where neither school have a huge following in the city.

 

[Classic Irish]

You do know that the recruits and current players are the ones who actually play the football game?

You sound like the mom from The Waterboy.

And I'm an alum and lifelong fan. So college football is just about recruits and players? College football is also about the fans and the schools. You sound like someone who's never seen ND play on the road in a college football venue. Again, you like NFL stadiums? Good for you. Go follow the NFL.

Never heard of The Waterboy.

 

[irish4ever]

What about Maryland in Maryland or BC in Boston?

Yeah, that didn't work out so well did it?

 

[ND NYC]

no thanks to playing Maryland at FedEx field...been there done that.

 

[wizards8507]

Yeah, that didn't work out so well did it?

no thanks to playing Maryland at FedEx field...been there done that.

Did you guys read the post I was responding to? BGIF implied that Notre Dame can't play an NBC home game in the geographical boundaries of one of the major conferences against an opponent from that conference. I used the Maryland game and the BC game as examples of why I don't believe his position to be accurate. Based on his framework, NBC shouldn't have been able to broadcast ACC teams in Maryland or Massachusetts.

 

[BobbyMac]

1. "Half full" is a euphemism for "visibly not a sellout because you see loads of empty seats." All I know is that the only Shamrock Series games that have been sellouts have been in baseball stadiums. Huge empty sections in the corners of AT&T Stadium or Lucas Oil Stadium are a bad look for a prime time game. I'd argue that the look is bad enough that it does more damage to the brand via TV than it does benefit the brand via the experience of players and recruits inside the stadium.

2. Notre Dame - Syracuse is not a Shamrock Series game. The stadium will likely be quite full because both Notre Dame and Syracuse have huge followings in New York. The problem arises when there's a neutral site game where neither school have a huge following in the city.

Dude, you brought up Metlife. Not me. You brought it up in reference to our players playing in pro stadiums, not just SS games in pro stadiums.

Who were you referring to playing in a half empty Metlife? Hofstra?

Now I see why you drive the Progressives crazy. You argue in semi-circular tangents.

 

[wizards8507]

Dude, you brought up Metlife. Not me. You brought it up in reference to our players playing in pro stadiums, not just SS games in pro stadiums.

Do you even talk casual bro? MetLife was a placeholder for "insert generic NFL stadium here" just like the Yale Bowl was a placeholder for "insert generic historical college stadium here." I have no problem with NFL stadiums as long as we can fill them. Whiskeyjack seemed to be implying (though he's since clarified that it's not what he meant) that our players and recruits like games in NFL stadiums, full stop. The only point I was making is that the value of playing in an NFL stadium starts to erode if it's a poor gameday experience due to low turnout or poor fan enthusiasm.

MetLife (OR INSERT ANY GENERIC NFL STADIUM HERE) will be great if we fill it. I just reject the idea that MetLife (OR INSERT ANY GENERIC NFL STADIUM HERE) is objectively a good thing even if we can't fill it.

Who were you referring to playing in a half empty Metlife? Hofstra?

People were throwing out loads of hypothetical opponents in loads of different cities. All I know is that we didn't fill the Alamodome the first time, we didn't fill FedEx Field (against Maryland!), we didn't fill AT&T Stadium, and we didn't fill Lucas Oil Stadium (against Purdue!).