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[dad4aa]

Did not see anything about it, sorry guys


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No worries. Thanks for moving it here. Don't need more threads dedicated to this crap

 

[Huntr]

Not sure if anyone really wants to know who Roe is, but his height and weight are very specifically mentioned in the lawsuit. And there was, indeed, a guy w/ those stats on the '16 roster. And he has since transferred.

Also, howdy.

 

[IrishLax]

Not sure if anyone really wants to know who Roe is, but his height and weight are very specifically mentioned in the lawsuit. And there was, indeed, a guy w/ those stats on the '16 roster. And he has since transferred.

Also, howdy.

Reading that, it's obvious who this refers to. It's also obvious they have some facts wrong in the suit given who they're implying it is. Using all the identifiers they did while pretending to keep his identity concealed is weird.

It's also why people shouldn't speculate on names, because I was pretty darn sure they were talking about someone else and I would've been wrong.

 

[NDShark]

Not sure if anyone really wants to know who Roe is, but his height and weight are very specifically mentioned in the lawsuit. And there was, indeed, a guy w/ those stats on the '16 roster. And he has since transferred.

Also, howdy.

Surprised they didn't give us the first letter of his name and the color of his hair

 

[snoopdog]

Deadspin has run this article tonight about an alleged rape from earlier (edit) last* year

Lawsuit: Notre Dame Covered Up A Football Player's Alleged Rape

The victim alleges ND swept things under the rug and erred on the side of the student athlete. This could get ugly if everything is true...



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It's none of my business, BUT in The Lawsuit she states she walked the 6'5" 278lb player back to his dorm for safety reasons because he was drunk.

why start the lawsuit with such a ridiculous scenario

 

[bigedefense]

Was there a rape cover up in 2016?

Was there a rape cover up in 2016?

I just left the butcher shop where I was getting some steaks for tonight's game and this guy that was in there asked me why I liked NOTRE DAME. I gave him the short story, it was my late Dad's team and I had no choice but to fall in love after birth. I began beaming inside, thinking about all the games we had watched together and this guy hit me with a ton of bricks! He said that the university was being sued by a young lady that was an exchange student. She claimed a football player raped her and the university told her the best thing to do would be to keep it quiet and let him transfer. That would get him away from her quickest.

I looked it up standing in the butcher shop and it is on Deadspin! The player transferred out in April 2016. It doesn't say who the player is.

This could derail this season and the future for the program if true. ND will be labeled the newBaylor!

Do any of you have any insight on this? Who was the player? Does the case have merit?

Thank you all!

GO IRISH

 

[NDShark]

Brought up in several other threads (including General Team Info, if I'm not mistaken)...the court documents do everything short of telling the player's name, but it's easy to figure out with his height/weight info (6'5" 278). The court document opens up by saying a girl helped this nearly 300 lb male athlete back to his dorm. Hard to understand how that works for starters.

 

[woolybug25]

Dude, this was discussed yesterday in length in the general team thread. I really don't think the sensationalist title of the thread, or its own thread for that matter, is necessary.

 

[IrishLax]

I just left the butcher shop where I was getting some steaks for tonight's game and this guy that was in there asked me why I liked NOTRE DAME. I gave him the short story, it was my late Dad's team and I had no choice but to fall in love after birth. I began beaming inside, thinking about all the games we had watched together and this guy hit me with a ton of bricks! He said that the university was being sued by a young lady that was an exchange student. She claimed a football player raped her and the university told her the best thing to do would be to keep it quiet and let him transfer. That would get him away from her quickest.

I looked it up standing in the butcher shop and it is on Deadspin! The player transferred out in April 2016. It doesn't say who the player is.

This could derail this season and the future for the program if true. ND will be labeled the newBaylor!

Do any of you have any insight on this? Who was the player? Does the case have merit?

Thank you all!

GO IRISH

No.

Here are some facts:
-The player was suspended indefinitely after the complaint was filed and Title IX investigation began.
-The player then withdrew from the University with intent to transfer while the investigation was ongoing. At this point there is literally nothing the University can do to the player. The maximum penalty they can give is expulsion.
-The lawsuit states the player transferred to a P5 school and is playing this year. This is false, and I have no idea why the lawsuit says this. He had announced intent to transfer to a school, but then didn't probably because the school was informed (by Notre Dame or another party) that he left during an ongoing investigation.
-If the student was told that the fastest way to get him off campus was to let him transfer, that is neither untrue or a violation of Title IX or a "cover up"... the alternative would be forcing her to go through the long Title IX process for the same result (re: the student leaving campus). It especially makes sense as the student complainant admits she did not want to be involved in the process and didn't want to face the person she was accusing.
-If you want something besides having him removed from the school, you need to go to the cops. She didn't.

No part of this is a "cover up"... the player leaving Notre Dame is literally the maximum penalty that could've been imposed on him. After the Shembo incident, Notre Dame is if anything over-zealous in their Title IX investigations... in fact they're being sued by another student for being too harsh on Title IX.

Remember, anyone can make any claim they want in a lawsuit. Doesn't mean all of it is true, or that the reporting on it is fair. "Notre Dame suspends player during sexual misconduct investigation, player withdraws from school" is the alternative headline that doesn't get clicks.

 

[greyhammer90]

It's heavily implied by the information we have in the complaint that it's Grant Blankenship. Let's stop pussyfooting around it.

 

[bigedefense]

Thank you IrishLax for clearing it up for me. I apologize for making a thread, but I opened the site and didn't see anything on it. I do not get on this site as much as Dad did. I just come to this site when I am looking for facts and not a lot of fluffies.

I hope everyone has a great weekend and the IRISH win tonight!!!!

 

[dublinirish]

Lawsuit: Notre Dame protected football player above student accusing him of sexual as

Lawsuit: Notre Dame protected football player above student accusing him of sexual as

Lawsuit: Notre Dame protected football player above student accusing him of sexual assault - Chicago Tribune

 

[IrishLax]

This is old news and has already been discussed on this site. The complaint has a number of veritable errors in it, but who knows about the rest. ND has if anything been overzealous since Shembo and the student was indefinitely suspended then withdrew from the University... did not transfer anywhere with a "clean record."

Locking this thread and will merge with the other when at a computer.

 

[IrishLion]

I gotchu, will move momentarily

 

[zelezo vlk]

Is this like a meme now? Are the cool posters supposed to start new threads on the lawsuit every few days?

 

[Meatloaf]

Can't link from my phone, but it looks like ND will now require undergrads to live on campus for 3 years as opposed to 2. The neg recruiting writes itself.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Can't link from my phone, but it looks like ND will now require undergrads to live on campus for 3 years as opposed to 2. The neg recruiting writes itself.

Saw it on ISD, seems like a terrible change.

 

[RDU Irish]

Can't link from my phone, but it looks like ND will now require undergrads to live on campus for 3 years as opposed to 2. The neg recruiting writes itself.

Saw this as well - $15,000/year room and board charges might be part of the problem, IMO, but never mentioned in the thing. Just like when they used to require athletes to stay on campus, you will see a lot of people take on dual residencies pretty much stopping by the dorm to pick up the mail.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

Saw this as well - $15,000/year room and board charges might be part of the problem, IMO, but never mentioned in the thing. Just like when they used to require athletes to stay on campus, you will see a lot of people take on dual residencies pretty much stopping by the dorm to pick up the mail.

I'm pretty sure athletes were still required to stay on for three years. That's why everyone wanted to be their roommate, it meant your double just became a big single. So I don't know if this will effect us that much, maybe only until they talk to current players.

 

[wizards8507]

Can't link from my phone, but it looks like ND will now require undergrads to live on campus for 3 years as opposed to 2. The neg recruiting writes itself.

That's completely idiotic. I moved off campus to a studio apartment by myself junior year and it was the best of all worlds. I could go to parties at other people's apartments and then retreat to absolute silence whenever I wanted. I also banked a ton of money because rent was way cheaper than living on campus, even in a studio by myself.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

How do the rules actually work? I've heard of players that have "rooms" but also live off campus... Do players have a "room" for all 4 years, but can live off campus for 2? (now 1)

 

[wizards8507]

How do the rules actually work? I've heard of players that have "rooms" but also live off campus... Do players have a "room" for all 4 years, but can live off campus for 2? (now 1)

I can't speak to the way athletic scholarship work, but I was on a near-full scholarship and when I moved off campus I actually got the room-and-board piece of my scholarship refunded to me in a check, which I then used for rent, utilities, groceries, beer, etc.

If an athlete has a room and something off campus, they're paying for the off campus accommodations out of pocket.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I can't speak to the way athletic scholarship work, but I was on a near-full scholarship and when I moved off campus I actually got the room-and-board piece of my scholarship refunded to me in a check, which I then used for rent, utilities, groceries, beer, etc.

If an athlete has a room and something off campus, they're paying for the off campus accommodations out of the bag man's pocket.

ftfy

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

How do the rules actually work? I've heard of players that have "rooms" but also live off campus... Do players have a "room" for all 4 years, but can live off campus for 2? (now 1)

From what I understand, they had to have a room on campus for 3 years and it might be all 4, but then a lot move off and pay for it themselves. Which, when you consider they now get cost of living stipends and per diem, it wouldn't be hard to move off even if you don't have the money to do it.

 

[NorthDakota]

I can't speak to the way athletic scholarship work, but I was on a near-full scholarship and when I moved off campus I actually got the room-and-board piece of my scholarship refunded to me in a check, which I then used for rent, utilities, groceries, beer, etc.

If an athlete has a room and something off campus, they're paying for the off campus accommodations out of pocket.

Thats a big scholarship. You grow up a poor or are you a future Nobel winner?

 

[wizards8507]

Thats a big scholarship. You grow up a poor or are you a future Nobel winner?

Not actual poor but Notre Dame poor. My mom works at a university so they paid $10K per year plus about $6K per year in student loans and ~$35K per year in scholarship. The "financial need" calculations would have had my parents paying roughly $10K per year, but Notre Dame's formula allowed my mom's tuition benefit to count towards that. It was actually cheaper for me to go to Notre Dame than it would have been to go to URI.

I've often wondered if Notre Dame could use their financial aid policy to their advantage when it comes to athletic scholarship rules. Since they meet 100% of the financial need of every student, they should take all the poor football players and put them on need-based financial aid, freeing up athletic scholarships to pad the roster. But I'm sure there's something prohibiting that.

 

[RDU Irish]

That's completely idiotic. I moved off campus to a studio apartment by myself junior year and it was the best of all worlds. I could go to parties at other people's apartments and then retreat to absolute silence whenever I wanted. I also banked a ton of money because rent was way cheaper than living on campus, even in a studio by myself.

Saving money was motivation for moving off campus - live off ramen noodles and mac and cheese and cram four guys into an apartment and you go on spring break with the savings while having a lot more beer money. 20 years ago it was a financial incentive.

Now at $15k you could go nuts on hookers and blow and still be ahead.

Interesting stuff on the university reciprocity for you, wiz. Wife has been looking at teaching, would be a big incentive to look into as our first kid hits high school next year.

 

[IrishLax]

You guys realize 90%+ of undergrads already live on campus for three years right?

And athletes all have their "on campus" room and then are never there... been that way since I was there.

 

[RDU Irish]

You guys realize 90%+ of undergrads already live on campus for three years right?

And athletes all have their "on campus" room and then are never there... been that way since I was there.

I always imagined their goal was to own everything within a couple mile radius so they could control housing and make it more difficult to move off campus. Admin never liked off campus living for undergrads.

I moved off halfway through junior year - never regretted it but was definitely in the minority moving off before senior year.

 

[GowerND11]

You guys realize 90%+ of undergrads already live on campus for three years right?

And athletes all have their "on campus" room and then are never there... been that way since I was there.

This. All my buddies at ND actually stayed all 4 years (except one, he was kicked out of his dorm Sr. year). Anyone not living on campus is probably living in Turtle Creek or somewhere near there, or near Club 23.

Athletes will stay for freshman year (not always), and end up off campus with each other anyway.