Game of Thrones

[#1rish]

I think it would be stupid to have anyone other than Jaime kill Cersei.

 

[GATTACA!]

Definitely Dead:
Both Cleganes
Euron
Cersei
One of Dany/Jon

Probably Dead:
Varys
Tyrion
Jaime
One of Dany/Jon

50/50 Dead/Alive:
Arya

Probably alive:
Brienne
Tormund
Sansa
Bronn

Definitely alive:
Bran

Thoughts?

Tyrion I'd move to 50/50 or probably alive. Sansa I'd move to 50/50. Tormund to definitely alive after this episode. Sam is also in that category.

 

[#1rish]

Definitely Dead:
Both Cleganes
Euron
Cersei
One of Dany/Jon

Probably Dead:
Varys
Tyrion
Jaime
One of Dany/Jon

50/50 Dead/Alive:
Arya

Probably alive:
Brienne
Tormund
Sansa
Bronn

Definitely alive:
Bran

Thoughts?

Edit:

Hopefully Dead:
Qyburn. Fucking hate that guy.

IMO I would switch everyone you have in Probably Dead with Probably Alive and vice versa. Minus Sansa.

 

[IrishLion]

Jaime is going to deal with Cersei. He's acting like a POS so Briene doesn't follow him bc he knows it's most likely a suicide mission.

That's what I got from it; He stewed on it, and realized after fully experiencing Brienne's love that Cersei needs to be dealt with... he's done all of these things on behalf of his love for Cersei over the years, and yet the ONE TIME he asked for her help on his path to trying to be just a little bit better of a person, she drove him away.

Brienne took his listing the ways in which he's a bad person as him embracing those things to return and save his POS sister. Really, he was listing those things as reasons to go there and end things himself before the whole realm suffers.

 

[GATTACA!]

I think it would be stupid to have anyone other than Jaime kill Cersei.

Tyrion is the only other one that could make sense.

I'm expecting it to be Qhono though to subvert our expectations.

 

[gkIrish]

My opinion:

Definitely will live:
Bran
Arya
Sam/Gilly
Tormund
Brienne
Bronn
Gendry

Definitely will die:
Cersei
Greyworm
Mountain
Euron

50/50
Qyburn
Jaime
Jon
Dany
Tyrion
Varys
Sansa (at the hands of Dany only)
Hound (I think he may get his chance to retire to the farm again)
Podrick

 

[IrishLion]

I think Qyburn is done for... Jaime or Tyrion will cut him down on their way to try and reach Cersei.

I think Greyworm could do it, too, but it's less likely that they run into each other. It would need to be because Qyburn got locked out of Cersei's chambers right when the invaders break into the Red Keep or something.

 

[phork]

I am going to preface this by saying you guys are giving the writers and showrunners too much credit. What I have learned this season so far, and probably always knew, they cater to fan service and laziness.

Saying that, my thoughts on your thoughts:

Dany is gonna kill Jon. I’ve never felt more sure of anything in my GoT life.

He’s a Targ that lost his dragon.
He’s a Stark going south.
He said his goodbyes to his two best friends.
He’s ignoring the wishes of his true family.
He’s in love with a chick that has a family history of mental illness.
He’s in love with a chick that will win the war, but will feel betrayed by everyone anyway.
The show runners say they’re staying off the Internet after the finale, leading me to believe that they’re killing off the most deserving and beloved character.

I just don’t know how she’s gonna do it. Knife in the back, or dragon fire?

Don't bet on it. The whole driving force of this is Breaking the Wheel. All of those things have always meant those things you mentioned, but now the train ride is over. Jon is the reluctant leader they need regardless of his Don't Wanna attitude. Dany will go all Crazy Targ on KL and Jon will ride up just in time to see it end. Somehow will end up killing her.

Dany is gonna fly straight up until she can’t breathe and until Drogon has no air resistance with which to fight gravity...

Then she’s gonna drop straight down into the middle of the Red Keep’s walls from above, and dracarys all those big ass ballistae before they can swivel.

I thought the exact same thing. You'd only get one shot at it, but then all the scorpions would be all turned around and I can't imagine they are easy to reload quickly. Then you could just come from any angle and strafe the fuck out of them.

Theories that gained credence:

Varys is going to sit on the Iron Throne
Jon or someone kills Dany because she goes mad
Bran made Aegon go crazy
Jaime kills Cersei

Theories that went away:

Evil Bran
Ned is alive (don't see how they have time for this)

Varys is as good as dead.
Jon will kill Dany
Jaime has to kill Cersei

Sansa is either gonna kill Cersei to fulfill the Volanqar prophecy in an unexpected way, or Arya is gonna kill Sansa when Sansa orchestrates a betrayal of Dany (probably with Varys) that puts Jon in danger.

Arya needs to shut some green eyes, still, and Cersei and Sansa both have them.

Arya is not killing family.

From here on out draw the shortest line from Point A to Point B and you will have your most likely ending.

Dany burns KL.
Clegane Bowl in effect.
Jaime somehow gets to Cersei and kills her and is either killed by the Mountain soon after or someone else.
Jon sees Dany nutty side and takes her out.
Tyrion gets it via Cersei somehow.


Etc.

 

[GATTACA!]

I think Qyburn is done for... Jaime or Tyrion will cut him down on their way to try and reach Cersei.

I think Greyworm could do it, too, but it's less likely that they run into each other. It would need to be because Qyburn got locked out of Cersei's chambers right when the invaders break into the Red Keep or something.

The hound could do it on his way to take on the mountain.

 

[gkIrish]

I think Qyburn is done for... Jaime or Tyrion will cut him down on their way to try and reach Cersei.

I think Greyworm could do it, too, but it's less likely that they run into each other. It would need to be because Qyburn got locked out of Cersei's chambers right when the invaders break into the Red Keep or something.

I don't think Qyburn will die by getting slashed down. It will either be (a) at the hands of Varys or Tyrion through trickery or (b) Dracarys

 

[IrishLion]

Don't bet on it. The whole driving force of this is Breaking the Wheel. All of those things have always meant those things you mentioned, but now the train ride is over. Jon is the reluctant leader they need regardless of his Don't Wanna attitude. Dany will go all Crazy Targ on KL and Jon will ride up just in time to see it end. Somehow will end up killing her.

I really hope you're right.

It's been clear for a long time that Varys has the right of it, and that the throne needs a reluctant leader (like Ned Stark was when he had to sit there as Hand of the King), and the board is cleared for that 'reluctant' leader to actually prosper now. All of the most dangerous whisperers and schemers are either dead or soon-to-be-dead, and the ones left alive would be sympathetic to Jon as the ruler.

But Dany is gonna go bonkers in her blind rage for her birthright either way... she says she wants to break the wheel, but it's becoming clear that Breaking the Wheel, to her, means she gets to be in charge and everything will be different because reasons.

She doesn't realize that her taking the Throne just perpetuates the issues, because someone will always spring up and state some sort of claim to fight against the throne, whether legit or not.

Varys or Tyrion will tell her this as the sacking of the Red Keep winds down, and she'll go fully mad, and try to kill those that she feels are in her way. That would include Varys, Tyrion and Jon, and probably Sansa and Arya, too.

(I really think it should all end with Bran on the throne, though. Melt the chair and then make Bran's wheelchair the new throne, and keep him plugged into the godswood in the capital. He can see all things, adjudicate all issues be referencing literally all of history, can spot any potential future plotters and schemers, and will live forever.)

 

[beryirish]

Would you guys be upset if Greyworm takes down The Mountain for taking out his girl as opposed to Clegane bowl?

Or maybe Clegane bowl does happen with the Mountain chopping down the Hound then Greyworm gets him afterwards.

 

[IrishLion]

Would you guys be upset if Greyworm takes down The Mountain for taking out his girl as opposed to Clegane bowl?

Or maybe Clegane bowl does happen with the Mountain chopping down the Hound then Greyworm gets him afterwards.

Greyworm is probably as proficient with a spear as Oberyn Martell, right?? The difference is that Greyworm would take him down and then end it, rather than showboating. That would be good, in terms of making sure UnGregor actually loses.

But nah, we need Cleganebowl. If Beinoff and Weiss are leaning into the fan service, they're gonna give us Cleganebowl. I don't think they'd take the luster off of it by having Clegane die and then having someone else step up, unless it were Arya.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

IF the writers actually have Dany burn the city down...

Instead of Drogon doing it, I'd love to see Dany use Aery's left over wildfire that's remaining... Maybe Drogon dies, she goes mad climax, fulfills pop's "dream"?

 

[IrishLion]

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[beryirish]

IF the writers actually have Dany burn the city down...

Instead of Drogon doing it, I'd love to see Dany use Aery's left over wildfire that's remaining... Maybe Drogon dies, she goes mad climax, fulfills pop's "dream"?

I'd be down with that.

 

[beryirish]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/05/entertainment/game-of-thrones-spinoff-shows-martin-trnd/index.html

HBO's apparently working on three 'Game of Thrones' spinoffs, says George R. R. Martin

Bummed that "Game of Thrones" is coming to an end? Don't be.
Apparently, HBO is working on not one, not two, but three spinoffs of the wildly popular show.

That's according to George R. R. Martin. Except he doesn't call them "spinoffs" -- he's not a fan of that term -- but "successor shows."
In a personal blog post updating his fans, the author of the books on which the show is based said:
"We have had five different GAME OF THRONES successor shows in development (I mislike the term "spinoffs") at HBO, and three of them are still moving forward nicely.
"The one I am not supposed to call THE LONG NIGHT will be shooting later this year, and two other shows remain in the script stage, but are edging closer."
What HBO has said
HBO (which, like CNN, is part of WarnerMedia) has long been clear that it wants to maximize the mojo that is GoT.
"In the press at large, everybody said, 'there are four spinoffs' and they assume that means each one is happening and we're going to have a new Game of Thrones show per quarter," HBO programming president Casey Bloys told EW two years ago.
"That's not what's going on. The idea is not to do four shows. The bar set by [Benioff and Weiss] is so high that my hope is to get one show that lives up to it."
So, what will the shows that Martin mentions be about? He's not telling.

"But maybe some of you should pick up a copy of 'Fire & Blood' and come up with your own theories," he said, referring to his book that came out last year.
There you go. Let the wild speculation begin.

 

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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I hated what they did with Bronne. He's never tried to be the shrewd businessman/threatening, etc.

It feels very out of character seeing him make threats, etc.

Or did I somehow miss that he's had villainous intent?

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I hated what they did with Bronne. He's never tried to be the shrewd businessman/threatening, etc.

It feels very out of character seeing him make threats, etc.

Or did I somehow miss that he's had villainous intent?

I can't stop thinking of how awful that Bronn scene was
1) dude just sneaks into Winterfell with a big ass crossbow?
2) dude knows exactly what room tyrion and Jaime are in? (or was he asking guards? Lol)
3) shitty canned dialog
4) reloads a crossbow faster than an automatic rifle
5) instantly accepts better offer
6) strolls out in under 2 mins, "alright gents it's been great!"

Sweet

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[ACamp1900]

Just curious, did they say anything about the Dothraki, UnSul or those like Theon or Jorah who died?? Are there any Dothraki left or were they in fact completely wiped out?

 

[IrishLax]

I can't stop thinking of how awful that Bronn scene was
1) dude just sneaks into Winterfell with a big ass crossbow?
2) dude knows exactly what room tyrion and Jaime are in? (or was he asking guards? Lol)
3) shitty canned dialog
4) reloads a crossbow faster than an automatic rifle
5) instantly accepts better offer
6) strolls out in under 2 mins, "alright gents it's been great!"

Sweet

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This is what I don't get about general complaining related to GoT that I see on this site and elsewhere on the internet. I understand plot complaints, editing complaints, etc.

I do not understand nitpicking stuff like this. There were crossbows in *real life* that could fire-reload-fire in 2 seconds. There were crossbows that could hold magazines of bolts and get off 10+ in 20 seconds. So why is it even something that pops up on your radar that Qyburn engineered a crossbow that could reload quickly?

 

[beryirish]

Just curious, did they say anything about the Dothraki, UnSul or those like Theon or Jorah who died?? Are there any Dothraki left or were they in fact completely wiped out?

There were some of each remaining. But I then thought they all went on the ships while the north men went on the ground with Jon. So it seems very very few are remaining after Euron's attack.

 

[zelezo vlk]

This is what I don't get about general complaining related to GoT that I see on this site and elsewhere on the internet. I understand plot complaints, editing complaints, etc.

I do not understand nitpicking stuff like this. There were crossbows in *real life* that could fire-reload-fire in 2 seconds. There were crossbows that could hold magazines of bolts and get off 10+ in 20 seconds. So why is it even something that pops up on your radar that Qyburn engineered a crossbow that could reload quickly?

The scorpion complaints make sense to me, but wasn't Bronn's crossbow Joffrey's from back in the day? Therefore it's meant to be easily pulled back etc.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

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[FightingIrishLover7]

Jaime is going to deal with Cersei. He's acting like a POS so Briene doesn't follow him bc he knows it's most likely a suicide mission.

As my original comment said, I don't believe Jaime is actually going to "side" with Cersei.

His departure from Brienne was ambiguous enough that you could go either way with his intentions (loves Cersei vs trying to protect Brienne's emotion)

But here's the kicker:
During "Inside the Thrones" the writers said (paraphrasing)..."Jamie loves Brienne, but Cersei is something else...it's more like an addiction"

Which the word "addiction" here sets up a "relapse" for him. My guess is, he is "actually" relapsing at the moment, but will come around just in time to fulfill his redemption arc / Valonqar.

 

[IrishLion]

I hated what they did with Bronne. He's never tried to be the shrewd businessman/threatening, etc.

It feels very out of character seeing him make threats, etc.

Or did I somehow miss that he's had villainous intent?

I can't stop thinking of how awful that Bronn scene was
1) dude just sneaks into Winterfell with a big ass crossbow?
2) dude knows exactly what room tyrion and Jaime are in? (or was he asking guards? Lol)
3) shitty canned dialog
4) reloads a crossbow faster than an automatic rifle
5) instantly accepts better offer
6) strolls out in under 2 mins, "alright gents it's been great!"

Sweet

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I got the sense that they were going for a combination of "Bronn is finally exhausted with the war and the people he's been attaching himself to in hopes of reaping the benefits" and "Bronn has always been a cutthroat, and now the bill is coming due"

I just think they went too extreme with it. He should've done a bit less overall. Maybe have a back-and-forth with Tyrion and/or Jaime about the "old days," but still make it clear that he's fed up and will kill both of them if he feels like that's the winning play in the end.

This is what I don't get about general complaining related to GoT that I see on this site and elsewhere on the internet. I understand plot complaints, editing complaints, etc.

I do not understand nitpicking stuff like this. There were crossbows in *real life* that could fire-reload-fire in 2 seconds. There were crossbows that could hold magazines of bolts and get off 10+ in 20 seconds. So why is it even something that pops up on your radar that Qyburn engineered a crossbow that could reload quickly?

I'd get it if we hadn't seen evidence of other advancements in terms of weaponry or technology, but they've been talking about crossbows and their advantages/disadvantages since season one lol.

 

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quality of the show corresponds pretty close to source material: Books 1-3 great; books 4-5 much more uneven; books 6-7 nonexistent.</p>— Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) <a href="https://twitter.com/DouthatNYT/status/1125403769225793537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I wouldn't call season 4 a step down... I think it was the height of the show, because we saw some good payoffs from ADwD brought to life, and I think the show was kind of energized by the prospect of catching up to the books.

It had several of the highest-rated episodes of the series, too.

Season 5 is where it started to become hit-or-miss.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The Jamie-Brienne sex scene was pure HBO. In the books he's intent on taking his vows seriously (including his vow of celibacy as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard). His coming to love Brienne, who is the polar opposite of Cersei, is a key part of his redemption arc. But it has to remain a chaste courtly love.

No room for such tragedy or nuance here, though. Sex is the only meaningful sort of relationship, so they've got to jump int the sack together.

 

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