Final Poll

[ulukinatme]

In what world is 4 loss Wisconsin still ahead of us? They had a blowout to tOSU no different than ours to Michigan, and they lost twice as many games! They lost to Illinois!
Also, lulz USC

 

[Irish#1]

Baylor drops five spots and Wiscy stays the same with 4 losses. I'm scratching my head.

 

[stlnd01]

Baylor drops five spots and Wiscy stays the same with 4 losses. I'm scratching my head.

I guess the logic being Wiscy *almost* beat #5 Oregon while Baylor lost soundly to #4 Georgia and their entire conference got exposed as the frauds that they are?
Still. I don't know why Wisconsin would be ranked ahead of us. Yes they beat Michigan and we didn't but they lost four freakin' games. At some point that should matter more than beating #18 at home in September.

Other than that - and the fact that Georgia and Florida are comically overrated - I have a hard time getting too worked up about any of these. We really ought to be in the top ten but I guess we pissed that away on a bad night in Ann Arbor.

Also: Is it normal to have seven G5s in the Top 25? That's more than the ACC, Pac-12 and Big 12, combined.

 

[Free Manera]

In what world is 4 loss Wisconsin still ahead of us? They had a blowout to tOSU no different than ours to Michigan, and they lost twice as many games! They lost to Illinois!
Also, lulz USC

I have to think it’s more about their wins. They beat two good teams in Minnesota and Michigan. They lost by one to Oregon and were evenly matched. The only team that ran them off the field was OSU (twice).

ND just doesn’t have any legit wins this year. No one is ever going to give credit for beating Navy. That’s just the reality. And getting manhandled by Michigan is not the same as OSU. They are a tier or two apart in talent.

 

[Irish#1]

Say what you want, but it's 4, I repeat 4 losses. I just realized that Minnesota also jumped over us. No love for rolling ISU.

 

[IrishLax]

Minnesota had an OOC slate of Georgia Southern, Fresno State, and South Dakota State.

They beat South Dakota State by one score. That was their most convincing win. They needed OT to beat Fresno State after a tying TD with seconds left, and they needed a go-ahead TD with 13 seconds left to beat Georgia Southern.

They played 4 teams with a pulse and that's what they're getting measured on. Which is fine, but it just cracks me up that the only team that EVER gets criticized for "how" they win and lose is Notre Dame. We hear it every year about "style points" but no one pays attention to other teams or judges them the same. Can you imagine if ND played three games like the above?

Wisconsin with 4 losses being ahead of Notre Dame is just comical. People are so fixated on ND's loss to Michigan... I dunno why its not getting treated like Ohio State laying an egg against Purdue, etc. There's a lot of weird Big Ten machismo in this final poll.

 

[IrishLax]

Say what you want, but it's 4, I repeat 4 losses. I just realized that Minnesota also jumped over us. No love for rolling ISU.

A great hypothetical, IMO, is "what would ND be ranked if they did the same thing to overrated Utah or Baylor?" I think the answer is 6-10, probably 9th. That's why playing Iowa State was a worst case scenario... there was no way to ever get credit for that win, no matter how well ND played. An absolute shame that ND did not get a crack at a legit opponent thanks to the stupidity of conference bowl tie-ins dictating opponents.

 

[ThePiombino]

Wiscy ahead of us is a fucking joke.

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[stlnd01]

Wiscy ahead of us is a fucking joke.

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Motivation for next year.
I also saw them ranked ahead of us in one of those way-too-early Top 25s.

 

[mango4]

Motivation for next year.
I also saw them ranked ahead of us in one of those way-too-early Top 25s.

The only one I've seen is from Brett McMurphy and he has freaking ISU 10(!!) and Notre Dame at 15

 

[zelezo vlk]

The only one I've seen is from Brett McMurphy and he has freaking ISU 10(!!) and Notre Dame at 15

That's the only one I've seen. I bet there will be more released today since the Championship game was last night

 

[ThePiombino]

The only one I've seen is from Brett McMurphy and he has freaking ISU 10(!!) and Notre Dame at 15

Speaking of jokes...

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[stlnd01]

The only one I've seen is from Brett McMurphy and he has freaking ISU 10(!!) and Notre Dame at 15

Yeah. That was the one. Had Wisconsin 12th, IIRC. Also had SEC West teams in every slot from 3 to 6, which seems mathematically impossible, and impossibly bullish on Auburn and A&M.
Not Brett’s finest hour.

 

[calvegas04]

We are ahead of usc and UM, only thing I care about

 

[T Town Tommy]

I find it hard to make an argument where either Minn or Wisky is ahead of the Irish in the polls.

 

[NDdomer2]

Irish didn't win it all everyone should be fired!

 

[Legacy]

I also cannot find any justification for Minn and Wisconsin to be ahead of us. Four loss Wisconsin beat Minnesota by twenty-one.

Wisconsin lost to #3 Ohio State by 13. We lost to #4 Georgia by 7.

 

[Luckylucci]

So apparently, all we have to do in 2022 is play OSU within 2 TD's and it's basically the same as a Win relative to other programs, that right?

 

[ACamp1900]

Here's the real focal point: The world respects Notre Dame football just slightly more than Memphis.

 

[NDdomer2]

Here's the real focal point: The world respects Notre Dame football just slightly more than Memphis.

we could be michigan and have memphis in front of us

 

[phork]

Minnesota had an OOC slate of Georgia Southern, Fresno State, and South Dakota State.

They beat South Dakota State by one score. That was their most convincing win. They needed OT to beat Fresno State after a tying TD with seconds left, and they needed a go-ahead TD with 13 seconds left to beat Georgia Southern.

They played 4 teams with a pulse and that's what they're getting measured on. Which is fine, but it just cracks me up that the only team that EVER gets criticized for "how" they win and lose is Notre Dame. We hear it every year about "style points" but no one pays attention to other teams or judges them the same. Can you imagine if ND played three games like the above?

Wisconsin with 4 losses being ahead of Notre Dame is just comical. People are so fixated on ND's loss to Michigan... I dunno why its not getting treated like Ohio State laying an egg against Purdue, etc. There's a lot of weird Big Ten machismo in this final poll.

Because its expected from ND. Thats why.

What I want to know is how Oklahoma only dropped 3 spots after being depantsed.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The real problem with the polling system is that it's supposed to be based on resume (who did you play, how badly did you beat them, etc.) but the voters are lazy AF, so instead it ends up being based on "who do you think would win on a neutral field", which is not remotely close to the same thing.

 

[stlnd01]

The real problem with the polling system is that it's supposed to be based on resume (who did you play, how badly did you beat them, etc.) but the voters are lazy AF, so instead it ends up being based on "who do you think would win on a neutral field", which is not remotely close to the same thing.

Ok. But even then, I think we’d throttle Minnesota, beat Wisconsin and go toe-to-toe with Penn State and Florida. On a neutral field.

 

[ACamp1900]

Ok. But even then, I think we’d throttle Minnesota, beat Wisconsin and go toe-to-toe with Penn State and Florida. On a neutral field.

You have a ballot??

 

[stlnd01]

You have a ballot??

I should!

 

[Huntr]

I also cannot find any justification for Minn and Wisconsin to be ahead of us. Four loss Wisconsin beat Minnesota by twenty-one.

Wisconsin lost to #3 Ohio State by 13. We lost to #4 Georgia by 7.

Wisconsin lost to fucking Illinois.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I have no problem with Wisconsin being in front of us. Our resume sucked. We had one win against the final top 25. We got embarrassed by a 4 loss Michigan team. Actually would say that I would've been OK with Wisconsin in front of Minnesota.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I have no problem with Wisconsin being in front of us. Our resume sucked. We had one win against the final top 25. We got embarrassed by a 4 loss Michigan team. Actually would say that I would've been OK with Wisconsin in front of Minnesota.

Our resume does not "suck". We played no FCS cupcakes (something none of the other teams ranked above us can claim), own the 3rd most dominant win of the entire season, and went 11-2, which includes 5 victories over the FEI top 50 and a narrow loss to #4 Georgia.

Our resume is objectively better than Wisconsin and Minnesota's. The only way to justify putting them higher than us is by arguing that they'd beat us on a neutral field, which is not what these polls are supposed to be about.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Our resume does not "suck". We played no FCS cupcakes (something none of the other teams ranked above us can claim), own the 3rd most dominant win of the entire season, and went 11-2, which includes 5 victories over the FEI top 50 and a narrow loss to #4 Georgia.

Our resume is objectively better than Wisconsin and Minnesota's. The only way to justify putting them higher than us is by arguing that they'd beat us on a neutral field, which is not what these polls are supposed to be about.

Sidenote: it is absolutely mind blowing LSU had the two most dominant wins of the season, and they came in the SECCG, and CFP SEMIS. Insane.....


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[Whiskeyjack]

Sidenote: it is absolutely mind blowing LSU had the two most dominant wins of the season, and they came in the SECCG, and CFP SEMIS. Insane.....

Yup. 2019 LSU has a pretty strong argument for being the GOAT team.