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If they went strictly online, has it already been stated that that would rule out a football season? Could they not have online education (like 90% of D1 football players at other colleges already do) but still have the team stay at school and play? I think if they decide to close school for the well being of the students, the best thing that you can do for the futures and well being of these players who come from various socioeconomic backgrounds is to keep them in South Bend with the ND medical team and give them the opportunity to improve their draft prospects through a season. Additionally its a financially necessary decision for many schools' athletic departments. And you can give the players the ability to opt out without loss of scholarship or eligibility. I don't see why that compromise couldn't work. (most of) The players want to player no matter what, (most of) the parents of the players want the kids to play, the fans want the season, the athletic departments want the season. We already have sports seasons that start at schools before person academic instruction begins and some that last after in person academic instruction ends. Especially as the saliva testing becomes more readily available, it should be possible to pull off what the MLB has been able to pull off.
 

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If they went strictly online, has it already been stated that that would rule out a football season? Could they not have online education (like 90% of D1 football players at other colleges already do) but still have the team stay at school and play? I think if they decide to close school for the well being of the students, the best thing that you can do for the futures and well being of these players who come from various socioeconomic backgrounds is to keep them in South Bend with the ND medical team and give them the opportunity to improve their draft prospects through a season. Additionally its a financially necessary decision for many schools' athletic departments. And you can give the players the ability to opt out without loss of scholarship or eligibility. I don't see why that compromise couldn't work. (most of) The players want to player no matter what, (most of) the parents of the players want the kids to play, the fans want the season, the athletic departments want the season. We already have sports seasons that start at schools before person academic instruction begins and some that last after in person academic instruction ends. Especially as the saliva testing becomes more readily available, it should be possible to pull off what the MLB has been able to pull off.

Originally, Jenkins said if the general student populous can't be on campus then they wouldn't play football. Don't know if that still holds true.

Here's what I'm currently hearing:
1. We will likely know by Friday of next week whether the current outbreak, in and of itself, is going to get school // football cancelled. This will be because the numbers are either going to keep going up, or they will have stabilized. This doesn't mean ND is out of the woods, but it does mean they'll continue moving forward and quarantining/monitoring the student body.

2. ACC schools behind the scenes are not all on the same page, but general consensus is that they are going to keep moving forward until the situation actually dictates that you can't play. If the teams continue on their current trajectory and have no major outbreaks over the next 3 weeks then they intend to go forward with the season. That doesn't mean individual schools may or may not "opt out" before that either by their own volition or if their hands are forced by their state governments.

3. At ND, the players overwhelmingly want to play, and moreover the administration feels like they are "owed" the opportunity because they did such a good job following protocols before and after returning to campus. They are also trying to be way more up front and transparent with them than what you saw at Big Ten schools.

4. Some players do have concerns that they're expressing, but most of the doom-and-gloom you see on Twitter and elsewhere is from a handful of students that 1) didn't want to come back to campus in the first place 2) are politically inclined in a certain direction. Is what it is, you can't have thousands of Zoomers on a college campus without them being "vocal" about something and this is the activist topic du jour. The vast majority of students think that it's been reasonably easy to get tested and think the University is acting in good faith with their best interests in mind... and they also really don't want to get sent home.
 

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4. Some players do have concerns that they're expressing, but most of the doom-and-gloom you see on Twitter and elsewhere is from a handful of students that 1) didn't want to come back to campus in the first place 2) are politically inclined in a certain direction. Is what it is, you can't have thousands of Zoomers on a college campus without them being "vocal" about something and this is the activist topic du jour. The vast majority of students think that it's been reasonably easy to get tested and think the University is acting in good faith with their best interests in mind... and they also really don't want to get sent home.

Completely agree with everything you said. Can you imagine only having 4 years to go to Our Lady's university and being so damn indignant at having to spend time there? Self hatred of the school is something that plagued a lot of left leaning kids on campus and I have no idea why you would invest so much into a school that you can't stop complaining about. It's not even like small complaints, they seemingly hate everything the school stands for and believes in.
 

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Completely agree with everything you said. Can you imagine only having 4 years to go to Our Lady's university and being so damn indignant at having to spend time there? Self hatred of the school is something that plagued a lot of left leaning kids on campus and I have no idea why you would invest so much into a school that you can't stop complaining about. It's not even like small complaints, they seemingly hate everything the school stands for and believes in.

Spot on. When I was there I would say it was roughly 5%-10% of the kids where you'd look at them and be like... why are you here? Don't know if the percentage is higher now.

What I found is that, overwhelmingly, they had no attachment to the school (not Catholic, not legacy, not a football fan, etc.) and they were there simply because of ND's prestige. And because they couldn't get into Chicago or Penn or whatever their top choice was. These prestige whores were always Left or Far Left and would complain about everything from chapels in the dorms to ND's position on birth control.

The weirdest thing is if you challenged them on "why are you here if all of this information was available to you before you applied and you knew exactly what kind of school you were going to" they would always get indignant and exasperated and not answer the question directly. Make the environment adapt to them versus adapting to the environment... very aggravating for everyone not in their bubble.

But that's enough politics for this thread, only reason I brought it up is that it's germane to a lot of the recent articles covering the outbreak at ND and the quotes that are being cherry picked.
 

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Spot on. When I was there I would say it was roughly 5%-10% of the kids where you'd look at them and be like... why are you here? Don't know if the percentage is higher now.

I'm certain that % has been trending up for a long time now. It's a shame our admissions department doesn't put the same emphasis on "fit" that NDFB does.
 

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I'm certain that % has been trending up for a long time now. It's a shame our admissions department doesn't put the same emphasis on "fit" that NDFB does.

I think it's a product of ND's steady rise up the academic prestige rankings. It's one thing to be a top 30 school, it's another to be a top 20, and it's even more to be listed on par with second tier Ivies. I think there are a lot of kids that shotgun blast apply to Duke/Vandy/ND/Northwestern and just see who will take them... the decreased emphasis on being Catholic or being a legacy also drives "fit" issue.

Luckily, ND hasn't gone full Georgetown yet where they're a fake Catholic school that sells their soul for prestige and has the opposite result of the intended.
 

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The kid next door is a jerk, his little brother is getting that way too.
Probably gonna start playing on my lawn
Whole f´n neighborhood sucks now.
Only gonna get worse.

I'm certain Lax and I are a lot younger than you. And I'd bet we're both more invested in ND as well.

This constant contrarian act is very endearing coming from an account that just broke 100 posts a few days ago.
 

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I'm certain Lax and I are a lot younger than you. And I'd bet we're both more invested in ND as well.

This constant contrarian act is very endearing coming from an account that just broke 100 posts a few days ago.

Shots fired!

Come clean and admit who you are!
 

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ESPN says 5 players have tested positive and 6 are in quarantine. Also school had another 75 positives today.

Team has had 9 total positive tests with 2 being from initial testing.
School is now at 304.
 

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ESPN says 5 players have tested positive and 6 are in quarantine. Also school had another 75 positives today.

Team has had 9 total positive tests with 2 being from initial testing.
School is now at 304.

Ok guys see you next year.
 

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Team is testing again on Friday, not sure if they are practicing or not
 

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Honestly, should have gone the Clemson route and had everyone get infected over the Summer.
 

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Honestly, should have gone the Clemson route and had everyone get infected over the Summer.

Son of a bitch, those jerks were smarter than I thought...seriously though, I can see a football factory doing something like this “hush hush”.
 

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Son of a bitch, those jerks were smarter than I thought...seriously though, I can see a football factory doing something like this “hush hush”.

Its fun to think about, but I can't imagine that really happening. That's the sort of thing that's an "if not when" the story gets out, and if a coach was ever found to do that his career would be done-zo.
 

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I'm certain that % has been trending up for a long time now. It's a shame our admissions department doesn't put the same emphasis on "fit" that NDFB does.

I think it's a product of ND's steady rise up the academic prestige rankings. It's one thing to be a top 30 school, it's another to be a top 20, and it's even more to be listed on par with second tier Ivies. I think there are a lot of kids that shotgun blast apply to Duke/Vandy/ND/Northwestern and just see who will take them... the decreased emphasis on being Catholic or being a legacy also drives "fit" issue.

Luckily, ND hasn't gone full Georgetown yet where they're a fake Catholic school that sells their soul for prestige and has the opposite result of the intended.

I think this is where the undergrads and grad schools differ. The grad programs, at least in MCoB, are pretty diverse. I am certainly not a "fit" at traditional ND; not by ethnicity, religion, etc. but neither is about half the MBA program.
 

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I think this is where the undergrads and grad schools differ. The grad programs, at least in MCoB, are pretty diverse. I am certainly not a "fit" at traditional ND; not by ethnicity, religion, etc. but neither is about half the MBA program.

To me, race really has much to do with it. Neither does religion either, though I'm sure there's a correlation with catholic kids and kids who "get" ND.
 

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Completely agree with everything you said. Can you imagine only having 4 years to go to Our Lady's university and being so damn indignant at having to spend time there? Self hatred of the school is something that plagued a lot of left leaning kids on campus and I have no idea why you would invest so much into a school that you can't stop complaining about. It's not even like small complaints, they seemingly hate everything the school stands for and believes in.

Something I notice is that too many people today seem to think that criticism of something means you hate it as opposed to you liking it and wanting to further improve it. I mean really, what is more likely, that these students are going in to debt to go to a place they hate, or that they like being there but sees things that can be improved and want to work for those things?

And maybe a lot of those students don't want to go back because its not the same ND experience that they only get 4 years of. I know I would have much rather taken a semester or year off than have to deal with the craziness of this year, but it seems like the administration didn't really make that possible for most students.
 

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Its fun to think about, but I can't imagine that really happening. That's the sort of thing that's an "if not when" the story gets out, and if a coach was ever found to do that his career would be done-zo.

I’m not saying they would blatantly do it, I kind of visualized it as something like when we were kids (as least when I was lol) and one kid got chicken pox. Parents would be like “ why don’t you go over to Johnnys house and play”. A few days later, you got a rash all over, but then you were good to go.

But you're right, probably a bit risky :)
 

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There are cases of "reinfection" being investigated, but it is unknown at this time. Why do you suggest otherwise?

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Isn't that how all other viruses work as far as we know? Like isn't that how a vaccine works essentially, you get a "dead" virus and your body learns what it is and how to fight it so you can't get it again?
 

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Isn't that how all other viruses work as far as we know? Like isn't that how a vaccine works essentially, you get a "dead" virus and your body learns what it is and how to fight it so you can't get it again?

Immunity is different for different viruses. In part because viruses can be constructed in ver different ways. Getting smallpox once (or cowpox) confers lifetime immunity. The smallpox vaccine conferred immunity for about ten years. Flu vaccines provide a limited benefit for a limited duration.

RNA viruses, like the one behind Covid, have far more copying errors. As a result they mutate and diversify much faster than DNA viruses.
 

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Immunity is different for different viruses. In part because viruses can be constructed in ver different ways. Getting smallpox once (or cowpox) confers lifetime immunity. The smallpox vaccine conferred immunity for about ten years. Flu vaccines provide a limited benefit for a limited duration.

RNA viruses, like the one behind Covid, have far more copying errors. As a result they mutate and diversify much faster than DNA viruses.

Ahh, good to know, thanks! I wonder how different the strain out right now is from the strain that first hit the country in February. Wouldn't surprise me if the current strain is much less fatal, hence the lower death rates.
 

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ND is practicing today after two days off, per Eric Hansen on Twitter. Good sign.
 

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There is good evidence that covid infection produces antibodies that last 30-90 days. Hence, multiple infections are likely and this is Bourne out clinically. It is also the reason a vaccine is unlikely.
Also in a study published in JAMA 78 of 100 infections many of which had few if any symptoms had findings on cardiac MRI after recovery.
 
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