Duke Post Game

[Old Man Mike]

Here's what I remember about the basic Kelly offense:

A. Four man routes TIMED to open at four different moments in the play.
B. QB must read those four routes in proper sequence, and take what the defense gives him when it gives.
C. While reading, the QB essentially stands in the pocket, feet constantly moving, BUT this foot movement is in small always balanced throwing-ready steps.
D. QBs head must be up during all of this to make the quick sequential reads and be ready to fire. Ball must also be up.
E. Bombs if they happen will happen only after the second read is gone. Passes could also look like bombs but were usually gashes.

"Fun Fact:" Tommy Rees was the only QB that Kelly has had (here) that could do this small shuffle balance step action in the pocket "naturally."

 

[Dizzyphil]

Rees was what 6'2"?... I'm at work so can't be searching the net, in the modern era say since 2010 to now, who has been the tallest QB for the Irish?? Book I think is right at 6'..... Hard to see over average 6'5" linemen.

 

[PANDFAN]

Rees was what 6'2"?... I'm at work so can't be searching the net, in the modern era say since 2010 to now, who has been the tallest QB for the Irish?? Book I think is right at 6'..... Hard to see over average 6'5" linemen.

kizer

 

[PANDFAN]

Here's what I remember about the basic Kelly offense:

A. Four man routes TIMED to open at four different moments in the play.
B. QB must read those four routes in proper sequence, and take what the defense gives him when it gives.
C. While reading, the QB essentially stands in the pocket, feet constantly moving, BUT this foot movement is in small always balanced throwing-ready steps.
D. QBs head must be up during all of this to make the quick sequential reads and be ready to fire. Ball must also be up.
E. Bombs if they happen will happen only after the second read is gone. Passes could also look like bombs but were usually gashes.

"Fun Fact:" Tommy Rees was the only QB that Kelly has had (here) that could do this small shuffle balance step action in the pocket "naturally."

book is mastering the db back pedal and seemed to always be falling back when throwing which to my untrained eye is why his balls (lol) were sailing on him

 

[Dizzyphil]

kizer

Thought so... Honest question,, is it BKs scheme or can the recruiters not find a a QB with some height??

 

[Old Man Mike]

If the pocket deforms somewhere (almost always must happen since the opponent is good too), the QB is, of course, allowed to move to adjust to that, but Coach wants that movement to be a small as possible and to maintain the same small foot change positioning at all times. If you have to just bust the pocket and go, you better make the full commitment to it.

 

[Dizzyphil]

If the pocket deforms somewhere (almost always must happen since the opponent is good too), the QB is, of course, allowed to move to adjust to that, but Coach wants that movement to be a small as possible and to maintain the same small foot change positioning at all times. If you have to just bust the pocket and go, you better make the full commitment to it.

I almost always agree with you Mike, but the 'pocket' is usually good for 4-6 seconds.... Plenty of time to get a couple if not three reads... Plus your outlet.. or just throw it away... I really like Book and don't want you to get the wrong impression of what I'm saying.. but seems the the Irish line on pass defense doesn't spread out the rushers as other top-tier teams do....

 

[Old Man Mike]

Constant blitzing .... Book's view, right or wrong, is that his pocket is almost immediately deforming. Last year he changed when he finally got comfortable with the idea that his RB WAS going to pick the correct guy and heal his pocket.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Constant blitzing .... Book's view, right or wrong, is that his pocket is almost immediately deforming. Last year he changed when he finally got comfortable with the idea that his RB WAS going to pick the correct guy and heal his pocket.

I can agree with you on that... But shouldn't Book trust the line and keep his stance stable?

 

[Dizzyphil]

What I mean by that is, if the pocket collapses that quickly, RTDB and get two or three yards... He had no problem with that in the past

 

[Whiskeyjack]

What I mean by that is, if the pocket collapses that quickly, RTDB and get two or three yards... He had no problem with that in the past

Why slide for +3 yards when you could sprint to the sideline for -2 instead?

 

[Dizzyphil]

Why slide for +3 yards when you could sprint the sideline for -2 instead?

Anything to make it 2nd and 8, or third and 4....

Agreed

 

[Dizzyphil]

Feciously I'm saying....

 

[fightingirish26]

Why slide for +3 yards when you could sprint the sideline for -2 instead?

I have a theory that he obsesses over his completion percentage (even tho it's been nothing special since 2018) and would rather do that bullshit than throw one out of bounds

 

[dad4aa]

Thought so... Honest question,, is it BKs scheme or can the recruiters not find a a QB with some height??

WE have not had good success with the taller QBs they have recruited:

2010 Luke Massa - 6'4"
2012 Gunner Kiel - 6'4"
2014 - DeShone Kizer - 6'4"
2018 Phil Jurkovec - 6'5"

 

[Dizzyphil]

WE have not had good success with the taller QBs they have recruited:

2010 Luke Massa - 6'4"
2012 Gunner Kiel - 6'4"
2014 - DeShone Kizer - 6'4"
2018 Phil Jurkovec - 6'5"

Not to be an a$$... But only Kizer played.... Again, is it the scheme or what?

 

[NDRock]

yes

Sad I can recall that considering all the important things I forget.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Sad I can recall that considering all the important things I forget.

Welcome to old age brother...

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I have a theory that he obsesses over his completion percentage (even tho it's been nothing special since 2018) and would rather do that bullshit than throw one out of bounds

I have long had the same suspicion. He doesn't throw the ball away and he shies away from low percentage/high reward throws.

 

[Luckylucci]

I have long had the same suspicion. He doesn't throw the ball away and he shies away from low percentage/high reward throws.

This is another part of his game that is very inconsistent and at times virtually non-existent.

I want to say it was Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady that once said, there is always a throw to make. Which, doesn't mean there is a always a completion to make but throw. A ball that can be placed where only the WR can get it. The percentages of that throw may not be high but they're better than 0%. He needs to take more calculated chances.

I believe Jamie U said he only threw one pass that traveled in the air over 20 yards on Saturday. That's just not acceptable even if they are not completed they need to be attempted. Sometimes you have the push the ball vertically solely to get the defense thinking that it might be coming. That free play check down was like, WTF is happening right now, lol.

 

[Sea Turtle]

This is another part of his game that is very inconsistent and at times virtually non-existent.

I want to say it was Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady that once said, there is always a throw to make. Which, doesn't mean there is a always a completion to make but throw. A ball that can be placed where only the WR can get it. The percentages of that throw may not be high but they're better than 0%. He needs to take more calculated chances.

I believe Jamie U said he only threw one pass that traveled in the air over 20 yards on Saturday. That's just not acceptable even if they are not completed they need to be attempted. Sometimes you have the push the ball vertically solely to get the defense thinking that it might be coming. That free play check down was like, WTF is happening right now, lol.

Kelly working his QB magic.

 

[greyhammer90]

Rees wasn’t a walk on FYI. Weis offered him a scholarship and took 3 QBs that year if memory serves. Rees, Hendrix, and some guy named Derek? I may be combining 2 years together though.

To add to this, he was a three star and it was between us and Tennessee. Him picking ND definitely changed the future a lot more than we anticipated.

 

[zelezo vlk]

To add to this, he was a three star and it was between us and Tennessee. Him picking ND definitely changed the future a lot more than we anticipated.

Damn just think. Rees would've been head coach in waiting in Knoxville if he'd chosen the Vols back in 2009...

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[Luckylucci]

Kelly working his QB magic.

I've said this before but this is really a different situation that most of the other QB's regressions under Kelly. Book is not being crippled by extra information or added responsibilities. He's being crippled when moving to his 2nd read while maintaining the proper throwing base within the pocket, lol.

There really isn't much else they can do for this guy. If he just completed two simple passes to Tremble (on the INT) and Kyren (on the tunnel screen) he'd have had 300+ yards passing and we'd have covered the spread. All while completing one pass that went over 20 yards in the air. The scheme is creating yards and points for a guy who didn't do much else.

 

[ThePiombino]

I have a theory that he obsesses over his completion percentage (even tho it's been nothing special since 2018) and would rather do that bullshit than throw one out of bounds

I just think he's in a panic and has no fucking clue where he is on the field.

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[Old Man Mike]

I think that he two or three passes off us standing in applause about him having a great game.

 

[NDdomer2]

I think that he two or three passes off us standing in applause about him having a great game.

I suppose this isn't false but it's more that those 3 passes are unacceptable for a third year starter.

1) you absolutely cannot turn the ball over in the redzone.
2) a missed third down conversion to a wide open crossing route less then 10 yards down field
3) a wide-open screen pass that likely scores and definitely puts ND in fg range at a minimum

 

[Ndaccountant]

I think that he two or three passes off us standing in applause about him having a great game.

Maybe you would, but I wouldn't. All the issues that have stymied the passing game against defenses with a pulse for the last 2+ seasons were on full display. Two or three pass completions doesn't remove those issues.

 

[Luckylucci]

Maybe you would, but I wouldn't. All the issues that have stymied the passing game against defenses with a pulse for the last 2+ seasons were on full display. Two or three pass completions doesn't remove those issues.

Agreed.

It would just be New Mexico from last season all over again. Book getting yards and praise for hand offs and 5 yard throws. Scheme and other talent making him look better than he’s actually playing.

 

[NDMontana]

Why slide for +3 yards when you could sprint to the sideline for -2 instead?

He's worried about his figure. He'd rather run the 26-1/2 yards to the sideline then 3 yards forward. It's 9x the steps on his FitBit