Dec 19 | ACC Championship | Clemson

[clashmore_mike]

<div align="center"><img src="https://und.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Clemson.png" width="75" height="75"> vs <img src="https://und.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ND_Monogram_2015_One_Color_gold.png" width="75" height="75">
<br>
<strong> Clemson Tigers vs Notre Dame Fighting Irish
Bank of America Stadium
Charlotte, NC
December 19, 2020
4 PM</strong>

<img src="https://a.espncdn.com/redesign/assets/img/logos/networks/espn-abc@2x.png">
</div>

 

[NDPhilly]

Any idea on the ticket situation for this game? Would love to get my dad (class of ‘79) and I a pair.

 

[NDohio]

Can we have non ACC referees for this game? They suck.

 

[NDShark]

Are lines up for this yet?

 

[317Irish]

Can we have non ACC referees for this game? They suck.

They suck and they seem to like us quite a bit... they have dug up and dusted off everything in the rule book to ensure we don’t lose an onside kick that we absolutely deserve to lose. We can all find several missed holding calls that don’t go our way each game no doubt, but they have really made some questionable calls that kept or swung momentum in our favor this year. I hope the ACCCG isn’t a “make up” game for them. We need this one or we likely won’t be in the playoffs.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I think if it’s a close loss we we are still ahead of every other 1- loss team and still get in. I’m hoping it’s not a blowout loss if we do lose.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Are lines up for this yet?

Not yet but most power rankings have us as about a TD dog.

 

[irishtrooper]

They suck and they seem to like us quite a bit... they have dug up and dusted off everything in the rule book to ensure we don’t lose an onside kick that we absolutely deserve to lose. We can all find several missed holding calls that don’t go our way each game no doubt, but they have really made some questionable calls that kept or swung momentum in our favor this year. I hope the ACCCG isn’t a “make up” game for them. We need this one or we likely won’t be in the playoffs.

Totally disagree. The fact is those penalties on the onside kicks were penalties. It’s no different than an illegal motion penalty wiping out a big play on offense or something. Just a few examples of why I disagree

- Numerous assaults by opposing O lines. Like a half dozen a game at least
- Picking up TWO penalty flags on the obvious pass interference late against Clemson almost costing us the game
- Yesterday not giving us a chance to sub on defense when SU subbed on offense (which is a well known rule) and gifting SU a first down when we could have used the momentum.

There are many others. Those are just the first ones that popped into my head. I’m having a hard time remembering anything that was an injustice against our opponent. Close yes, but not crap like my examples above

 

[NorthDakota]

I think if it’s a close loss we we are still ahead of every other 1- loss team and still get in. I’m hoping it’s not a blowout loss if we do lose.

I wonder what the committee does if Florida and Clemson win close games.

1. Do they keep both ND and AL?
2. If yes, does does ND play FL or AL?

Also curious what they do if ND beats Clemson again and Florida gives Alabama a game. Does ND jump Bama because they've beaten Clemson twice or does Alabama hold on since they've demolished everyone?

 

[irishtrooper]

Bama wins and they stay number 1. Short of us beating Clemson by 50. I don’t think Florida will beat Bama, but I still think we get in (I will be very nervous though) if they do. Ohio St has to worry imo more than us if Florida wins. Ohio St is hoping we win and Bama wins.... They get in likely in that scenario, along with probably AM. Although I’d like to see Cincy make it (don’t think the committee will do that though)

 

[longliveautrydenson]

I’m tired of hearing Notre Dame fans/talking heads discuss us getting in with one loss. If we can’t beat this version of Clemson then we’ve got no shot at winning a national championship. Alabama is superior to Clemson at every position except QB. This game is a must win if our end goal is to win it all.

 

[IrishLax]

I’m tired of hearing Notre Dame fans/talking heads discuss us getting in with one loss. If we can’t beat this version of Clemson then we’ve got no shot at winning a national championship. Alabama is superior to Clemson at every position except QB. This game is a must win if our end goal is to win it all.

On paper, Alabama is a tiny favorite over Clemson (~2.5-3.5 points) and it’s extremely hard to beat a team twice. Even if Notre Dame was “better” than Clemson (they aren’t) upsets happen. Ohio State won a national championship after squeaking into the playoffs and being a HUGE underdog to a dominant Alabama team.

 

[BabyIrish]

Enough with the Florida beating Alabama talk. It ain’t happening. We are gonna be in fellas.

 

[NDdomer2]

 

[Old Man Mike]

It IS hard to beat a good team twice, but Notre Dame not being as good as Clemson? ... that's a proposition yet to be demonstrated by any data. It COULD be true, but it's not demonstrated.

Lee was able to shut down Etienne --- teams (other than us) don't do that. Shutting down half their offensive playbook is not an insignificant beginning. On the other hand, they didn't do as well controlling OUR running attack. The teams that bully the line of scrimmage often win.

Our "problem" compared to these other power teams is that we don't (as often) strike from extreme distance ... but with Lee slowing opponents down, and Book "finding his own sort of spectacular ways" we haven't had to --- but I'll also say that "lately" we've "gone yard" quite a few times and with different people.

I respect Clemson as I'm not a fool. With our current team however, and our two bully lines and two AAs on defense and a great DC, and a bunch of folks who really like to run and hit, I don't fear them. This ought to be really good football.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

On paper, Alabama is a tiny favorite over Clemson (~2.5-3.5 points) and it’s extremely hard to beat a team twice. Even if Notre Dame was “better” than Clemson (they aren’t) upsets happen. Ohio State won a national championship after squeaking into the playoffs and being a HUGE underdog to a dominant Alabama team.

You don’t think ND is better than Clemson? I don’t think ND is the clear better team but I think we have the edge in a few crucial areas, I think were clearly stronger and tougher on both lines. ND hands down won the battle in the trenches last go around. I’d expect more of the same. We’ll be able to run the ball when we have to and make plays throwing the ball. The massive edge Clemson has TL. If ND can limit (not stop) his effectiveness throwing downfield and getting lightning fast TDs...we have a more than a punchers chance. Our Dline will decide the game...if we can get consistent pressure and force Clemson to adapt to our game...we’re in great shape.

38-28 ND. ND is up by 3 deep into the 4th and adds a TD to put the game away.

 

[Redbar]

One thing is for absolute certain, anyone who cares a hair about college football will be watching, we have to show up like we did last game.

 

[NorthDakota]

You don’t think ND is better than Clemson? I don’t think ND is the clear better team but I think we have the edge in a few crucial areas, I think were clearly stronger and tougher on both lines. ND hands down won the battle in the trenches last go around. I’d expect more of the same. We’ll be able to run the ball when we have to and make plays throwing the ball. The massive edge Clemson has TL. If ND can limit (not stop) his effectiveness throwing downfield and getting lightning fast TDs...we have a more than a punchers chance. Our Dline will decide the game...if we can get consistent pressure and force Clemson to adapt to our game...we’re in great shape.

38-28 ND. ND is up by 3 deep into the 4th and adds a TD to put the game away.

I dont know that Notre Dame is better than Clemson or worse than Clemson but I do think Notre Dame matches up pretty well with them. Clemson doesn't own the line of scrimmage against ND on either side of the ball. It is hard to consistently win against teams when you don't control the LOS.

Will be interesting to see how their offense changes with T Law back in the game, not just execution but play calling as well. He's a dude with a lot of experience and unique talent.

I feel okay about this game and I think the guys should too. Finally got a huge win, now its time to do it again. If we can get to 30 points I think we will be in a position to win for a couple reasons:

1. If we get to 30 points, it means we've had a lot or the ball. ND has some grinding drives every week.

2. The defense will get some stops. Just a matter of how many and when.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Dec 19 | ACC Championship | Clemson

Cancel the game. Give us both what we want: the rematch, but with even higher stakes.

The only teams affected by the cancellation dont have a leg to stand on, so they can go pound sand.

Ryan Day will go brood with red cheeks in the Big Ten Bunker he inhabited half the season, saying something about cowards, while safely eating beans out of the can, 200 feet under the earth.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[calvegas04]

Cancel the game. Give us both what we want: the rematch, but with even higher stakes.

The only teams affected by the cancellation dont have a leg to stand on, so they can go pound sand.

Ryan Day will go brood with red cheeks in the Big Ten Bunker he inhabited half the season, saying something about cowards, while safely eating beans out of the can, 200 feet under the earth.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I agree, both teams have nothing to gain out of this game.

 

[Irishize]

Bama wins and they stay number 1. Short of us beating Clemson by 50. I don’t think Florida will beat Bama, but I still think we get in (I will be very nervous though) if they do. Ohio St has to worry imo more than us if Florida wins. Ohio St is hoping we win and Bama wins.... They get in likely in that scenario, along with probably AM. Although I’d like to see Cincy make it (don’t think the committee will do that though)

Agreed. Worst case scenario for tOSU is UF beating Bama. UF is explosive but I haven’t been impressed with their running game or their defense. They seem one-dimensional on offense and I’m not saying they can’t win that way. Their D has improved but is it championship caliber? I don’t know. Supposedly they had injuries early in the season and now the D is trending upward.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I went into the last game with small hopes just hoping for the best and expecting the worst. I hate to say I'm going into this one with the same feeling. I just do not have a lot of confidence in our back end on defense and outside of mckinley our perimeter skill just hasn't improved much over the course of the year. I thought Avery was going to explode the last month of the season but he's been super quiet the last two weeks. Really worried about our play at center going into this one as well.

 

[Chicago Domer]

My biggest concern is the big play. If they hit on a number of big plays it won’t be close.

My other concern is the O line. I hope in 2 weeks it gets better than it was yesterday. Didn’t seem to click as well yesterday with 2 new guys, one brand new.I assume Kraemer will be back so that should help. I also think Book does not drop back far enough to pass. He seems to be too far up in the pocket when he passes.

I’m expecting a Clemson win. My hope is we keep the loss to single digits. I think that gets us in the top 4.

 

[BilboBaggins]

I don't feel very good about this game. Clemson is going to come in very motivated and play like this is the Superbowl.

The last two games have shown the OL has taken a step back IMO. Patterson was playing at an all-ACC level and losing him at C has shown. The interior running game just hasn't been as consistent.

In 2018, ND's offense couldn't run the ball consistently inside and had WRs who couldn't get separation. A team with athletic CBs capable of playing man coverage and with two stout DTs was going to frustrate ND big time. The last game of the season, USC, heavily suggested it and then Clemson confirmed it.

I'm worried that's going to happen again. The OL is no longer the best in the country, ND will be relying on too many outside runs and Clemson will get more penetration than UNC or Syracuse did. ND cannot "backyard ball" its way to victory against a motivated Clemson team.

I wouldn't be surprised if the line was Clemson -10.5.

 

[Irishize]

You don’t think ND is better than Clemson? I don’t think ND is the clear better team but I think we have the edge in a few crucial areas, I think were clearly stronger and tougher on both lines. ND hands down won the battle in the trenches last go around. I’d expect more of the same. We’ll be able to run the ball when we have to and make plays throwing the ball. The massive edge Clemson has TL. If ND can limit (not stop) his effectiveness throwing downfield and getting lightning fast TDs...we have a more than a punchers chance. Our Dline will decide the game...if we can get consistent pressure and force Clemson to adapt to our game...we’re in great shape.

38-28 ND. ND is up by 3 deep into the 4th and adds a TD to put the game away.

I think we had the edge with the OL but they haven’t looked as dominant these past two weeks w/ Patterson & Kraemer out. The rushing numbers didn’t look bad in the box score but UNC is a verified horrible defense yet ND couldn’t run at will against them until that last drive. I realize SU was holding opponents to less than 4 ypc lately but it’s still 1-9 SU and ND should still be able to bludgeon them.

Not saying it’s definitive b/c the SU game could be a one-off w/ Senior Day and all but I think it’s fair to question the revamped OL until we see them regain the dominance the original lineup showed vs Clemson. I have a hard time believing that Quinn was expecting to need Kraemer yesterday to stabilize the OL. Glad to see Gibbons get back in there but it was unsettling. Who will be the center in two weeks? Correll is recovering from a high ankle sprain and did have a few bad snaps in the UNC game where Book bailed him out. Lugg had a few bad snaps, too. Hopefully, Kraemer will be well enough to handle twists from the Clemson DL b/c we will need him back at RG.

 

[Irishize]

I went into the last game with small hopes just hoping for the best and expecting the worst. I hate to say I'm going into this one with the same feeling. I just do not have a lot of confidence in our back end on defense and outside of mckinley our perimeter skill just hasn't improved much over the course of the year. I thought Avery was going to explode the last month of the season but he's been super quiet the last two weeks. Really worried about our play at center going into this one as well.

I was hoping Lenzy was gonna get loose but SU snuffed out the jet sweep for no gain. He’s not physical enough to do anything in traffic. Not sure he can make much of an impact vs Clemson.

Rees got the best of Venables in game one. It’s a tall task to expect a rookie OC to do it twice against arguably the best DC in the nation.

The game must be competitive for four quarters regardless of the score. If that’s the case then ND should earn a spot. If we find ourselves making a case for them to get in then that will be an indication that ND didn’t remove all doubt & probably doesn’t deserve it. Just my two cents.

 

[ThePiombino]

On paper, Alabama is a tiny favorite over Clemson (~2.5-3.5 points) and it&#146;s extremely hard to beat a team twice. Even if Notre Dame was &#147;better&#148; than Clemson (they aren&#146;t) upsets happen. Ohio State won a national championship after squeaking into the playoffs and being a HUGE underdog to a dominant Alabama team.

With a 3rd string QB who wasn't there to play school no less!

Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk

 

[Circa]

They suck and they seem to like us quite a bit... they have dug up and dusted off everything in the rule book to ensure we don’t lose an onside kick that we absolutely deserve to lose. We can all find several missed holding calls that don’t go our way each game no doubt, but they have really made some questionable calls that kept or swung momentum in our favor this year. I hope the ACCCG isn’t a “make up” game for them. We need this one or we likely won’t be in the playoffs.

Ok, so if there is a rule that you don’t know about and it gets called in our favor then we deserve not to get the benefit of said rule.... gotcha. Thank God you don’t know the rules in the rulebook...

 

[irishff1014]

I feel much better about this game than I did the first time. I still have concerns about our secondary and I do believe our O-line is not as good as the first time we played. And of course TL is a beast a qb. The other guy had a very good game against us but he isn’t TL. They will struggle to cover Mayer, and they will probably double cover Javon since he has emerged as our number one. We need another WR to step up. I feel good about our d-line and the line backers. The running game will hold its own.

The two areas we need to make sure we do much better on are special teams and starting fast. If we start the same way we did the last two weeks we’ll probably find our team fighting from behind and against Clemson that’s not the best case scenario. And if the games on the line I don’t know if JD can make the kick. He has been very inconsistent this year.

 

[pumpdog20]

It just really sucks that they won't let a two loss Clemson into the playoffs.

LFG!!