College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[MNIrishman]

You really think the committee is just going to say "oh well you played Wake this week so F**K you, you're going to number 8?" You don't think the committee knew full well our schedule to end the year when they put us #4? I don't give a damn that the Big 12 teams will finally be playing some tough games, because they're just playing catch up with us in that regard. Our whole schedule to that point will be taken into account next Tuesday. Alabama has a home game against Charleston Southern in 2 weeks, do you think the committee will drop them from the top 4 the Tuesday after?

We really need a rule that forbids counting FCS teams. Alabama gets to play a high school team while ND is up against the top defense in the country.

 

[irishfan]

We really need a rule that forbids counting FCS teams. Alabama gets to play a high school team while ND is up against the top defense in the country.

ND is also up against the worst offense in the country that week.

 

[rocket66]

BC 93 ended my childhood... and my parents' laundry hamper that I absolutely destroyed after the game...

Haha how old are you? I'm 34 and have the same memory.


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[ACamp1900]

Haha how old are you? I'm 34 and have the same memory.


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35.

My parents went see Sleepless in Seattle or some such in like the third quarter thinking the game was over... I stayed and was a train wreck,... when the announcer said after the game, 'both teams have a lot to be proud of.." or some such my 13 year old rage just went into overdrive and I just destroyed my mom's hamper... it was tough trying to explain that when they got home. I'd say I've gotten better but I punched a huge hole in our wall after the FSU game last year too... I'm a flawed person.....

 

[T Town Tommy]

We really need a rule that forbids counting FCS teams. Alabama gets to play a high school team while ND is up against the top defense in the country.

Playing an FCS team does count... it hurts a team's SOS. Even with that game, our SOS will more than likely end up being higher than ND's at the end of the year. With that said I would gladly trade you Miss St, Auburn, and Fla for Wake, BC, and Stanford.

 

[BobbyMac]

So now you're making ridiculous scenarios to prove your point? Well, what if Notre Dame beats Stanford by 100 points, and Utah beats Stanford by one point after Stanford foolishly punts the ball with 10 seconds left, only the punter drops the snap, tries to kick it but gets hit in the back and coughs the ball up, and it goes to a Utah player who catches it and runs it all the way back, breaking his hip as he hits the ground in the endzone?Then ND would get in over Utah.

And yes, I think your above scenario is the only stupid thing on this thread. I don't feel secure, but I feel that if we win out, we have a great shot. I would have not thought that winning out was remotely possible after all the key injuries, so I'm LOVING this position we are in. I'll let you and a few others fret needlessly over everything else they have no control of...

Ridiculous scenarios? Like what, tOSU beating Wisconsin 59-0 in the B1G Championship to snag the #4 spot last year?

As far as YOUR scenario... THAT'S ridiculousness.

My scenario is just that, a scenario. Anyone saying emphatically "If we win out, we are in" is passing a hopeful prediction off as mathematical fact.

I'm THRILLED ND has a 33% to 40% chance to get in at this moment. This season has been great for me and that's including having threads cluttered by your frequent estrogen driven, rag sessions.

 

[pkt77242]

So now you're making ridiculous scenarios to prove your point? Well, what if Notre Dame beats Stanford by 100 points, and Utah beats Stanford by one point after Stanford foolishly punts the ball with 10 seconds left, only the punter drops the snap, tries to kick it but gets hit in the back and coughs the ball up, and it goes to a Utah player who catches it and runs it all the way back, breaking his hip as he hits the ground in the endzone?

Then ND would get in over Utah.

And yes, I think your above scenario is the only stupid thing on this thread. I don't feel secure, but I feel that if we win out, we have a great shot. I would have not thought that winning out was remotely possible after all the key injuries, so I'm LOVING this position we are in. I'll let you and a few others fret needlessly over everything else they have no control of...

Ridiculous scenarios? Like what, tOSU beating Wisconsin 59-0 in the B1G Championship to snag the #4 spot last year?

As far as YOUR scenario... THAT'S ridiculousness.

My scenario is just that, a scenario. Anyone saying emphatically "If we win out, we are in" is passing a hopeful prediction off as mathematical fact.

I'm THRILLED ND has a 33% to 40% chance to get in at this moment. This season has been great for me and that's including having threads cluttered by your frequent estrogen driven, rag sessions.

I think that you two need to download the rumblr app and go at it. That or this is some weird 1st grade style of flirting.

 

[BobbyMac]

I think that you two need to download the rumblr app and go at it. That or this is some weird 1st grade style of flirting.

Go have another beer and quit cheerleading. He's safe, I don't schedule FCS opponents.

 

[ulukinatme]

Gotta hope next week that Oklahoma State loses to Baylor, or to Oklahoma the week after. I think Baylor could drop to Oklahoma this week, but if not they could be beaten by TCU, Oklahoma State, or even Texas in the next 4 weeks. I don't see them getting through that gauntlet with their backup QB. I want OK St out ASAP since they only have two tough games really remaining. They had the largest jump of any playoff team from last week by beating TCU. As long as there's still a Big 12 undefeated we're at risk. If they drop, and we win out...

 

[MNIrishman]

Playing an FCS team does count... it hurts a team's SOS. Even with that game, our SOS will more than likely end up being higher than ND's at the end of the year. With that said I would gladly trade you Miss St, Auburn, and Fla for Wake, BC, and Stanford.

You mean barely-beat-FCS Jacksonville State Auburn and 9-points-against-Vandy Florida? I'd make that trade.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Yep. One will eliminate the other. I would be an Okie St fan myself because I think the Sooners can take the Pokies later on.

I think I'm more scared of the Sooners than any other team in the Big XII. I don't think an 11-1 Baylor, TCU, or Okie St beat out the Irish, and I think Baylor and Okie both have a loss in em. I do think an 11-1 Sooner squad has a chance. Why, I'm not sure. Maybe it's the eye test, maybe it's the committee's seeming willingness to write off early fluke losses. Maybe it's the buzz saw of a schedule Oklahoma has to finish the year. Either way, they're the Big XII team keeping me up at night right now.

 

[ND NYC]

Except it's really not that simple. Notre Dame needs select teams to lose to remain in.

and

1) I think also Clemson needs to stay undefeated.

2) all the teams we played on our schedule to win rest of their games (including Stanford in pac 12 championship game the week after we beat them)

 

[woolybug25]

I think I'm more scared of the Sooners than any other team in the Big XII. I don't think an 11-1 Baylor, TCU, or Okie St beat out the Irish, and I think Baylor and Okie both have a loss in em. I do think an 11-1 Sooner squad has a chance. Why, I'm not sure. Maybe it's the eye test, maybe it's the committee's seeming willingness to write off early fluke losses. Maybe it's the buzz saw of a schedule Oklahoma has to finish the year. Either way, they're the Big XII team keeping me up at night right now.

Oklahoma lost to a team we absolutely smoked and don't play a championship game. They need us to lose to even have a chance in hell.

 

[Old Man Mike]

If i was on the Committee, and people were in chaos about what to do with the BIG12, the first thing that I'd look at would be their schedules and not how many points they scored or how much dazzle they showed.

If you do that, you see that they have 20 wins against non-power conference teams, none of which is rated as very good. They've scheduled two non-power 5 teams which are considered good, and lost both of those.

They have played 8 teams from the power five conferences and gone 4-4. Their wins were over TN, MN, AR, and MD. MD is 2-7 on the season with wins over Richmond and USF --- even though they are slowly getting better, they are hardly brag-able. That leaves TN, AR, MN from which to find an argument [other than eye-tests] for rating anyone in this conference highly.

Oklahoma beat TN -- two OT early in the season. TN has been getting better lately, but are only 5-4 with wins over West and South Carolina, BG first game, and KY. Was the GA win a good one? Maybe, maybe not given what those people are doing lately. Still OK deserves some credit for beating TN.

TCU beat MN. MN is 4-5. Several people beat them. Their four wins are CO State, Kent, Ohio, and Purdue. Not impressed.

That leaves TTech beating AR. AR is a bit crazy. They're 5-4, they beat TN and just now they went multiple OTs to beat Ole Miss --- is Ole Miss any good anymore?

The point is: if I was looking at this, I could not honestly make much of a case for the entire conference. Some "good" teams? Sure. Top Ten teams? Where's the beef? THAT's why I wonder why I'd rate ANYTHING these guys do from here on out as making any difference, as they're just sleeping in their own beds. The Committee will probably think differently, but I'll bet a few of the people on there think that same way. It's like you're trying to make a case based on one game [OK vs TN in two OTs]. And of course the "infallible" eye-test.

 

[T Town Tommy]

You mean barely-beat-FCS Jacksonville State Auburn and 9-points-against-Vandy Florida? I'd make that trade.

OK. I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think I'm more scared of the Sooners than any other team in the Big XII. I don't think an 11-1 Baylor, TCU, or Okie St beat out the Irish, and I think Baylor and Okie both have a loss in em. I do think an 11-1 Sooner squad has a chance. Why, I'm not sure. Maybe it's the eye test, maybe it's the committee's seeming willingness to write off early fluke losses. Maybe it's the buzz saw of a schedule Oklahoma has to finish the year. Either way, they're the Big XII team keeping me up at night right now.

I would agree on the Sooners being a team that could create a Big 12 mess. The only way I could see them ever getting in the playoff is for a whole lot of others in front of them to lose and they would have to beat Baylor, TCU, and the Pokies on top of that. I don't know if they can go 3-0 in those games however. An 11-1 Sooner team doesn't get in before an 11-1 Irish team. That Texas loss and the Irish thumping Texas makes that a fairly easy decision for the committee IMO.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Wilbon just said on PTI he would have all the undefeated teams ranked 1-4. He would have ND 5 and Alabama 6.

 

[Circa]

You guys are all worried about making the top 4, and I'm here like "please don't go above 4 because clemson will not get jumped by Bama and Bama is staying 2/3 and I want no part of them in round 1".

Bama has had problems in the past with properly run spread teams that have an intelligent QB. I say bring the 35 year old, steroid abusers on. Let's show the world we belong and the committee their right!

 

[pkt77242]

Wilbon just said on PTI he would have all the undefeated teams ranked 1-4. He would have ND 5 and Alabama 6.

Aren't there 5? Ohio St., Iowa, Clemson, Baylor and Oklahoma St. No wonder he went into journalism.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Aren't there 5? Ohio St., Iowa, Clemson, Baylor and Oklahoma St. No wonder he went into journalism.

He actually rambled thru and forgot Baylor at first. Said ND is the best 1 loss as Bama won at home to an unranked team. Then went on to say all 4 undefeated teams should be ranked at the top (forgetting Baylor.) Then he rambled thru and remembered Baylor, acknowledged they were undefeated, but didn't mention them being ranked anywhere. He seemed to not be on the Bama bandwagon.

 

[Legacy]

Playing an FCS team does count... it hurts a team's SOS. Even with that game, our SOS will more than likely end up being higher than ND's at the end of the year. With that said I would gladly trade you Miss St, Auburn, and Fla for Wake, BC, and Stanford.

Of course, a FCS win counts towards six wins for bowl eligibility. We look at teams playing for a conference championship and who include a FCS game in their schedule as playing the same number of games as us - twelve. For those not in a championship game and playing a FCS team, they play one less game than us.

The sixty-four Power 5 conference teams do need that FCS game for their bowl contracts. Power 5 conferences have contracted for forty-three slots in bowl games.

At this point, thirty-one P5 teams are bowl eligible, but........
-Taking away the FCS game from those who have qualified would result in eight of those teams not qualifying and leaves twenty-two teams qualifying.
-Taking away the FCS games from eight teams needing one win would result in all needing two wins of their remaining three games.
-Taking away the FCS games from eleven teams needing two wins would result in all eleven needing to win all three of their remaining games.
- Lastly, seven teams who now still have the possibility of bowl qualification by winning all their last games would result in all seven being not qualifying for a bowl.

Assuming all eight teams with five wins (without their FCS games) qualify and all eight teams two wins away (without their FCS games) qualify, that would provide thirty-eight teams for forty-three slots. That ain't going to happen. But some of the eleven teams who need wins in their last three games would have to do so to approach filling their bowl contracts.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Wilbon just said on PTI he would have all the undefeated teams ranked 1-4. He would have ND 5 and Alabama 6.

He surprisingly did give ND a late amount of credit though.

 

[Circa]

What If in the future we played the top team in the Big 12 on Championship Saturday? That would alleviate all of this non-sense. The big 12 is going to have a tough time getting in because of the teams they schedule out of conference and that's the problem with them. If we played the champion yearly It would take care of all of this wonder..

 

[ickythump1225]

I think some of you peeing your pants at the thought of playing Alabama would do well to read this:

Somehow, some way, we’ve reached this point again. Another third-string quarterback, another sudden and surprising championship run.

If you thought what Ohio State accomplished last season with a third-string quarterback was as improbable as it was unthinkable, get a load at what’s unfolding in South Bend.

CFP RANKINGS: Can Irish hold onto spot? | MORE: Who is DeShone Kizer?

Not only is Notre Dame surging with a third-stringer at the most important position on the field, the Irish have developed into the only team that can beat Alabama because of it.

“We’re not even close to our peak yet,” says DeShone Kizer. “We just know there’s something that’s very special that can be unleashed.”

So says the sophomore quarterback who began spring practice third on the depth chart, a mere afterthought in an offseason of quarterback competition between Malik Zaire and Everett Golson.

Then Zaire won the starting job and Golson transferred and Zaire broke his leg in the second game of the season — and the next thing you know, Kizer, the guy with all of one career throw, was forced into a game and heaved a perfectly thrown dew drop of a deep ball in the waning seconds to beat Virginia.

Just like Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly drew it up, right?

“This game is about adjusting,” Kelly said. “No matter what gets thrown at you.”

That’s exactly what Kizer and the Irish have done, persevering through six key season-ending injuries to starters and/or key contributors and finding ways to get better each week. But for a two-point loss on the road to the nation’s No. 1-ranked team in a driving rainstorm — on a failed two-point conversion to end the game — guess who would be No. 1 right now in the College Football Playoff poll?

The same team that has the best chance to beat Alabama — because of a third-string quarterback and a group of talented receivers. After stumbling early this fall, the Tide have clearly become the team to beat, despite significant problems defending the pass.

Ohio State exposed Alabama’s secondary in last year’s CFP semifinal — then-third string QB Cardale Jones and a handful of key throws won that game; not Ezekiel Elliott’s running — and Notre Dame looks poised to do the same if it can win out (Wake Forest, Boston College, at Stanford) and reach the CFP.

Now that Baylor QB Seth Russell is out for the season; now that TCU and QB Trevone Boykin are out of the playoff picture, who among the contenders has a legitimate chance to push the Tide defense with a dangerous passing game and — key point here — an offensive line that can protect?

Only one team: Notre Dame.

First-and-10: As DeShone Kizer grows as QB, Notre Dame becomes greater threat | NCAA Football | Sporting News

 

[BobbyMac]

They're a year late calling DK a third stringer but the storylines are very similar.

 

[irishfan]

What If in the future we played the top team in the Big 12 on Championship Saturday? That would alleviate all of this non-sense. The big 12 is going to have a tough time getting in because of the teams they schedule out of conference and that's the problem with them. If we played the champion yearly It would take care of all of this wonder..

Sounds potentially nice for a year like this one, but it doesn't make sense in many years. If we're 8-4, all we can do is play spoiler for a Big-12 team in the Top-4. Likewise, if we are 12-0 and their champion is 10-2 and out of the playoff picture then we have nothing to gain from playing them.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think some of you peeing your pants at the thought of playing Alabama would do well to read this:

First-and-10: As DeShone Kizer grows as QB, Notre Dame becomes greater threat | NCAA Football | Sporting News

LOL...

Bama's pass defense is among the best in CFB this season.

We won't even discuss the best front seven in CFB. And depth to keep them fresh the entire game. But that's why we play 'em.

 

[Rhode Irish]

What If in the future we played the top team in the Big 12 on Championship Saturday? That would alleviate all of this non-sense. The big 12 is going to have a tough time getting in because of the teams they schedule out of conference and that's the problem with them. If we played the champion yearly It would take care of all of this wonder..

This is a crazy, far-fetched, unconventional and brilliant idea. It will never ever (ever) happen, but it would be awesome if they'd let ND schedule a 13th game against the Big 12 champ on championship weekend. (Many years it would be pointless, plus the Big 12 can't even figure out who their champ is all the time, but sill.)

 

[NDinL.A.]

Ridiculous scenarios? Like what, tOSU beating Wisconsin 59-0 in the B1G Championship to snag the #4 spot last year?

As far as YOUR scenario... THAT'S ridiculousness.

My scenario is just that, a scenario. Anyone saying emphatically "If we win out, we are in" is passing a hopeful prediction off as mathematical fact.

I'm THRILLED ND has a 33% to 40% chance to get in at this moment. This season has been great for me and that's including having threads cluttered by your frequent estrogen driven, rag sessions.

1. You mad bro? When your argument sucks and you're getting your hat handed to you, make it personal, right? (Even better, you're trying to ruin everyone's vibe by insisting they be cautious and not too excited, but I'M on the rag??? Hahahahaha. Love it.)

2. Ummmm, mine was purposely ridiculous.

3. Name the last time Stanford lost by 40. Go. (Hint, yes, your scenario was ridiculous. Possible? Of course. But also ridiculous.

4. When did I say that ND was guaranteed to be in if we win out? (Hint: I didn't)

5. While you fumble around with crazy scenarios where ND won't get in over anybody and everybody, I'm going to continue to enjoy this ride while rooting for the BIG 12 to feast on each other. Carry on telling everyone not to be excited...

 

[BobbyMac]

1. You mad bro?

Dude, your stuff is tired. You have all day and this is all your wife can come up with?

I yawn at you.