College Football Playoff Rankings 2015 (ND #8...)

[NDinBoston]

Good SOS info: BCF Toys - 2015 Degree of Difficulty

- ND remaining SOS #16
- SOS to date #2
- Overall SOS #1

An unbeaten Baylor would get wins over OkSt, OKLA (at least 2 losses including Texas), and TCU (at least 2 losses including blown out by OkSt) for 3 Top25 wins.

If ND wins out - #7 STAN, #20 Navy, #22 Temple, and USC might/should finish in Top25 for 4 Top25 wins and a close loss to #1 Clemson.

ND could very well have a better resume than even an unbeaten Big12.

 

[BobbyMac]

How could Oklahoma and Utah get in over ND when ND beat the team that beat them. That's just dumb I'm sorry.


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Utah:

ND beats Stanford by 1, Utah wins out destroying UCLA and beats a demoralized Stanford by 40 in the PAC Champ game. They would have 6 P5 wins including Michigan and against ND's best win Stanford. Do you really feel so good about leaving that in their hands?

Oklahoma:

I've long said that Oklahoma was ND's best friend in the Big 12 because of the head to head with Texas but if they run the show with big Top 10 wins on the road in their last 3 games in impressive fashion, do you really feel that the committee COULDN'T say OU had a better SOS and did it on the road and put them above ND if it was for the 4th spot? This is the same committee that has Iowas at #5 right now.

The only thing stupid at this time is the secure feeling Irish fans feel right now.

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[BobbyMac]

No chance L S U is in ahead of is if we both win out unless lsu somehow ends up in the conference champ game.

Don't take this in a totally condescending way but..... duh.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Why don't some of you guys just relish in the fact that you are #4 right now? The rest of the stuff will take care of itself. Win out and that's all you can do. The rest... meh.

 

[KPENN]

Why don't some of you guys just relish in the fact that you are #4 right now? The rest of the stuff will take care of itself. Win out and that's all you can do. The rest... meh.

Because it's IE man.

 

[johnnycando]

Utah:

ND beats Stanford by 1, Utah wins out destroying UCLA and beats a demoralized Stanford by 40 in the PAC Champ game. They would have 6 P5 wins including Michigan and against ND's best win Stanford. Do you really feel so good about leaving that in their hands?

Oklahoma:

I've long said that Oklahoma was ND's best friend in the Big 12 because of the head to head with Texas but if they run the show with big Top 10 wins on the road in their last 3 games in impressive fashion, do you really feel that the committee COULDN'T say OU had a better SOS and did it on the road and put them above ND if it was for the 4th spot? This is the same committee that has Iowas at #5 right now.

The only thing stupid at this time is the secure feeling Irish fans feel right now.

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You're right.

You should hang yourself and make me feel better.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Utah:

ND beats Stanford by 1, Utah wins out destroying UCLA and beats a demoralized Stanford by 40 in the PAC Champ game. They would have 6 P5 wins including Michigan and against ND's best win Stanford. Do you really feel so good about leaving that in their hands?

Oklahoma:

I've long said that Oklahoma was ND's best friend in the Big 12 because of the head to head with Texas but if they run the show with big Top 10 wins on the road in their last 3 games in impressive fashion, do you really feel that the committee COULDN'T say OU had a better SOS and did it on the road and put them above ND if it was for the 4th spot? This is the same committee that has Iowas at #5 right now.

The only thing stupid at this time is the secure feeling Irish fans feel right now.

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The problem with this logic is ND would still have a comparable schedule and has a common opponent with both, which ND beat both handily. Common opponent results are a tie breaking criteria. The committee would have to weigh common opponents vs. conference championships. The committee, though, does not take into account margin of victory between common opponents.

Iowa's at 5 because they have at least played some competition. Baylor has not and neither has Okie State, aside from no defense and widely over ranked TCU. Also, not that Iowa is the best team in the world but they are a very good football team. Rarely makes mistakes, plays good opportunistic defense, very good back end defense, very good Oline, strong D line play, runs the ball, and strong QB play.

 

[IrishHokie22]

Why don't some of you guys just relish in the fact that you are #4 right now? The rest of the stuff will take care of itself. Win out and that's all you can do. The rest... meh.

That's just too much for some fans.

 

[T Town Tommy]

That's just too much for some fans.

I know it's fun and makes for some good debating. And I am really ok with that. But dang... the last thing people should be doing out here is getting digs in at each other. Have a beer, sit back, enjoy the moment, then go at it tomorrow.

 

[phork]

Utah:

ND beats Stanford by 1, Utah wins out destroying UCLA and beats a demoralized Stanford by 40 in the PAC Champ game. They would have 6 P5 wins including Michigan and against ND's best win Stanford. Do you really feel so good about leaving that in their hands?

Oklahoma:

I've long said that Oklahoma was ND's best friend in the Big 12 because of the head to head with Texas but if they run the show with big Top 10 wins on the road in their last 3 games in impressive fashion, do you really feel that the committee COULDN'T say OU had a better SOS and did it on the road and put them above ND if it was for the 4th spot? This is the same committee that has Iowas at #5 right now.

The only thing stupid at this time is the secure feeling Irish fans feel right now.

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And if I used my lev45 wizard against Oklahomas lev51 cleric things would be different! Now making up ridiculous scenarios because we aren't strong in our belief that we are the #4 team in the country. SUCK IT UP already.

 

[Norcal Irish]

Just Fuc$ing win and we are in....that simple.

 

[woolybug25]

Utah:

ND beats Stanford by 1, Utah wins out destroying UCLA and beats a demoralized Stanford by 40 in the PAC Champ game. They would have 6 P5 wins including Michigan and against ND's best win Stanford. Do you really feel so good about leaving that in their hands?

Oklahoma:

I've long said that Oklahoma was ND's best friend in the Big 12 because of the head to head with Texas but if they run the show with big Top 10 wins on the road in their last 3 games in impressive fashion, do you really feel that the committee COULDN'T say OU had a better SOS and did it on the road and put them above ND if it was for the 4th spot? This is the same committee that has Iowas at #5 right now.

The only thing stupid at this time is the secure feeling Irish fans feel right now.

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I agree with you on Utah (although I could see them losing to both UCLA and Stanford), but I totally disagree on OU.

We would have 4 top 25 wins and possibly have beaten a Pac12 champ. Oklahoma would have 2-3 top 25 wins and a loss to a team we smoked (and in their conference). Our loss could possibly be the best loss in football at that point. Getting in over Oklahoma if we both win out is a no brainier, imo. Irish roll into the playoffs in that scenario.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Just Fuc$ing win and we are in....that simple.

Except it's really not that simple. Notre Dame needs select teams to lose to remain in.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

Lots of football left to be played.

 

[NDWorld247]

Just Fuc$ing win and we are in....that simple.

11-1 ND does not get in with an undefeated Clemson, undefeated B1G champ (OSU or Iowa), undefeated B12 champ (Baylor or OK St) and one loss SEC champion Alabama. That simple.

I'm of the belief that if we win out we are in because history suggests we will get help down the stretch, but let's not pretend that we control our own destiny. We don't.

Championships matter in the CFB playoff. When the dust settles on the first Saturday in December, we better hope there aren't three undefeated champs (and Bama) left standing.

 

[Junkhead]

I'm amazed that ND has a chance to be in after the early injuries. That said, it's way early, but after watching Bama-LSU, I want no part of facing that Bama runD. Either way, I thought we'd have 3+ losses by now after Malik and Folston went down, so its all just icing on the cake. Got to get in the mix and see what happens.

 

[woolybug25]

11-1 ND does not get in with an undefeated Clemson, undefeated B1G champ (OSU or Iowa), undefeated B12 champ (Baylor or OK St) and one loss SEC champion Alabama. That simple.

I'm of the belief that if we win out we are in because history suggests we will get help down the stretch, but let's not pretend that we control our own destiny. We don't.

Championships matter in the CFB playoff. When the dust settles on the first Saturday in December, we better hope there aren't three undefeated champs (and Bama) left standing.

Championships do matter when you play a championship game, which the Big 12 does not. You guys are really underestimating the fact that SoS is an independent metric. Just because you're named Big 12 champ, doesn't mean you played a more difficult schedule than Notre Dame. Hell, in that league if there is tie in record, most points decides the champion. They don't have an additional game to hold over our heads. They will compare both team's body of work, and ours will better.

 

[rocket66]

Championships do matter when you play a championship game, which the Big 12 does not. You guys are really underestimating the fact that SoS is an independent metric. Just because you're named Big 12 champ, doesn't mean you played a more difficult schedule than Notre Dame. Hell, in that league if there is tie in record, most points decides the champion. They don't have an additional game to hold over our heads. They will compare both team's body of work, and ours will better.

Preach!


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[NDWorld247]

Championships do matter when you play a championship game, which the Big 12 does not. You guys are really underestimating the fact that SoS is an independent metric. Just because you're named Big 12 champ, doesn't mean you played a more difficult schedule than Notre Dame. Hell, in that league if there is tie in record, most points decides the champion. They don't have an additional game to hold over our heads. They will compare both team's body of work, and ours will better.

I don't believe the bolded is true. The CFB Playoff declares "Championships won", not "Championships won in CCGs".

SoS will be comparable by the first week in December. I think ours is better, but not by a whole lot once full schedules have been played.

I like our chances vs. a 11-1 Big12 champ. I have very little confidence in our chances vs. an undefeated Big12 champ.

 

[Booslum31]

Yeah. Still have a hard time buying Iowa. I think Ohio State wins out. Them, Bama and Clemson and we're left scrapping with the Big 12 champ.

Heard tonight that tOSU has not played a ranked team yet...is that possible?

 

[irishfan]

Championships do matter when you play a championship game, which the Big 12 does not. You guys are really underestimating the fact that SoS is an independent metric. Just because you're named Big 12 champ, doesn't mean you played a more difficult schedule than Notre Dame. Hell, in that league if there is tie in record, most points decides the champion. They don't have an additional game to hold over our heads. They will compare both team's body of work, and ours will better.

Baylor is 2 spots behind us and still gets to play three top-15 teams. The Big-12 also got screwed last year. I think a 12-0 Baylor and maybe a 12-0 OK State would get in over us at 11-1 unless everything goes right (four top-25 wins, wins over PAC/AAC Champ). I don't think it is a lock by any means that we will have a better body of work.

Also, championships do still matter if you go 9-0 and win your conference...and your conference ends the year with 4 teams ranked by the committee.

 

[ickythump1225]

I don't give a f**k about all of the what-if scenarios at the moment because we don't control any of that. I do know that if ND runs the table it is more probable than not that we make the playoffs. After all of the injuries and the frustrating pain of losing at Clemson I just can't believe we're at #4 right now.

I'm sure some of you will get your panties all in a wad fretting about Oklahoma, or Baylor, or some other team but ask yourself: did you ever really think that we would be at this point to begin with? Probably not, so why spoil the moment already doubting what will happen next? Just enjoy it. I'm saving my outrage for when a truly deserving 11-1 ND team gets left out over a truly less deserving team.

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

Can you think of a scenario where ND loses a very very close loss to Stanford and makes the playoffs? I feel like it would be POSSIBLE but very unlikely.

 

[Junkhead]

Can you think of a scenario where ND loses a very very close loss to Stanford and makes the playoffs? I feel like it would be POSSIBLE but very unlikely.

It would take some very strange things for that to happen.

 

[KPENN]

Can you think of a scenario where ND loses a very very close loss to Stanford and makes the playoffs? I feel like it would be POSSIBLE but very unlikely.

No

 

[NDinL.A.]

I'm sure you've been read the riot act already below but this is simply incorrect.

The following teams would all get the 4th spot above the Irish if they won out.

tOSU
MSU
Iowa
Bama
LSU
Florida
Clemson
Baylor
OSU

..and the possibles:

Utah
Oklahoma

and...
UNC quite possibly though I doubt it.

Not sure why you're mentioning all the teams that play each other...that's a waste of time because it will be impossible for all of them to be undefeated.

I'd also take ND over MSU, and it wouldn't even be close. They have looked utterly average for most of the year and lost to an awful team, very recently. Even if they do win out I'd take our schedule and our record over them. Not worried about them, even with their possible wins over OSU and (overranked) Iowa.

LSU isn't jumping ND either if we win out. What's their quality win? Florida? The same team that barely beat Vandy, among other close wins against bad teams?

We need the Big 12 to cannibalize each other, and THEN we'll be in (if we win out). I'd take us over any 1 loss Big 10 team as well.

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

Baylor is 2 spots behind us and still gets to play three top-15 teams. The Big-12 also got screwed last year. I think a 12-0 Baylor and maybe a 12-0 OK State would get in over us at 11-1 unless everything goes right (four top-25 wins, wins over PAC/AAC Champ). I don't think it is a lock by any means that we will have a better body of work.

Also, championships do still matter if you go 9-0 and win your conference...and your conference ends the year with 4 teams ranked by the committee.

I agree with this. If Navy, Temple, USC, Stanford(not counting our game), Pitt, and Clemson all finish extremly well, I think we get in over an undefeated big12

 

[Booslum31]

I don't give a f**k about all of the what-if scenarios at the moment because we don't control any of that. I do know that if ND runs the table it is more probable than not that we make the playoffs. After all of the injuries and the frustrating pain of losing at Clemson I just can't believe we're at #4 right now.

I'm sure some of you will get your panties all in a wad fretting about Oklahoma, or Baylor, or some other team but ask yourself: did you ever really think that we would be at this point to begin with? Probably not, so why spoil the moment already doubting what will happen next? Just enjoy it. I'm saving my outrage for when a truly deserving 11-1 ND team gets left out over a truly less deserving team.

This...totally! let's enjoy the ride.

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

It would take some very strange things for that to happen.

All Big 12 Lose
Iowa MSU, and OSU lose
Clemson and UNC lose
Alabama, Florida, and LSU lose
Utah lose

if 4 of those 5 happened we would probably get in with an extremely close loss to Stanford.

 

[dwshade]

I can't see that happening. I think if Clemson loses they'll be ahead of ND.

Bet ND would get the nod. Clemson loss would come to a losing team that they would be favored by double digits. Also remember we beat FSU back in the 90's then lost to BC and FSU played for championship over us. This committee is looking at things week to week and if say ND beats Stanford while South Carolina beats Clemson we will be rated ahead of Clemson. No question.