Coaching Carousel 2019

[Irish#1]

Replace some of the 3* numbers with 4 and 5 * numbers. I don’t really understand what numbers has to do with it.

You gets points for the number of kids you sign as part of the calculation which makes the ratings somewhat silly. That's what Lucky is referring to.

 

[stlnd01]

It certainly did (with regards to Hafley) and isn’t that kind of the point. For both Phillips and Martinez. If HC contact was so important why are those guys not with Ransom right now. We have tangible information that says increasing numbers would have major significance on this years ranking. Or we have a theory that only relates to a ‘possible’ couple. Doesn’t make sense to me.

True, we could have taken another four or so guys and had a better class on paper. But then we'd (theoretically) have to move along older guys who are already in the program. And the guys we took instead of the guys we didn't are, by and large, better. (Like, I'd rather have Tyree AND Murphy, but if we only get one I'd take Tyree.)

I'm a firm believer in the There Is Always Room theory of roster management for Notre Dame, but clearly the people who run the actual program have been reluctant to recruit over 85. I'm sure they have their reasons and I'm inclined to trust them.

I am curious to see whether BK's new "Top Five Class" strategy involves going after more five-stars (and him getting more personally involved when it helps), or taking a larger class of four-stars and accelerating roster turnover.

 

[Free Manera]

You gets points for the number of kids you sign as part of the calculation which makes the ratings somewhat silly. That's what Lucky is referring to.

I understand that aspect. It's not actually about recruiting rankings. It's about signing difference makers. First round NFL draft picks. What it comes down to is, ND won't be a top 5 team until they start signing a handful of difference makers every year, like the perennial playoff teams do. Who is usually the main recruiter on these types of players? The head coach.

It's also not just about these two kids and this particular class. The reporters covering ND have been hinting at this for YEARS on their podcasts. No one had the balls to actually call Kelly out in a piece until now. This story just kind of broke it open and put some specifics on it. Why would all of these people lie about this? It makes no sense. You don't potentially sabotage your relationship with sources because of some clicks in January. Same goes for the former staff members that have been informing on it. They get nothing out of lying about this. I don't really understand why people are doubting the veracity of the reports.

What it comes down to is, ND will never win a playoff game, let alone a championship, without recruiting better. They are 5-10 frontline NFL players away from OSU, Alabama, Clemson, and LSU. So we should all be hoping it is as simple as Kelly putting in more time/changing the strategy to identify where his time should be best spent. That would be the easiest fix.

 

[NDMIA]

True, we could have taken another four or so guys and had a better class on paper. But then we'd (theoretically) have to move along older guys who are already in the program. And the guys we took instead of the guys we didn't are, by and large, better. (Like, I'd rather have Tyree AND Murphy, but if we only get one I'd take Tyree.)

I'm a firm believer in the There Is Always Room theory of roster management for Notre Dame, but clearly the people who run the actual program have been reluctant to recruit over 85. I'm sure they have their reasons and I'm inclined to trust them.

I am curious to see whether BK's new "Top Five Class" strategy involves going after more five-stars (and him getting more personally involved when it helps), or taking a larger class of four-stars and accelerating roster turnover.

QB - Tom Rees - Phil Jurkovec, Brendon Clark, Drew Pyne, and Tyler Buchner. Not a bad start to your recruiting career. Also, apparently was instrumental in recruitments like Jordan Johnson’s and some others. He’s a good recruiter
RB - Lance Taylor - Strong recruiter. Landed Tyree and has us in pole position for Shipley
WR - Del Alexander - I’ve been wishy washy on him. 2018 he brought in 4/5 4* composite dudes and really killed it. 2019 I hated his class personally, there were like 50 4* offers out there and they landed the 3* guys which now is 1 3* dude in KAR. In 2020 he landed a 5*, 4* and 3* in what looks to be a very good class. Overall I think he’s a good recruiter and the 2021 class is making him look like a future great recruiter.
TE - Vacant
OL - Jeff Quinn - Strong recruiter. Keep doing what you’re doing. Coaching-wise hopefully it ticks up next season
DL - Mike Elston - Strong recruiter. The defensive line depth and recruiting are rolling right now.
LB - Clark Lea - Good recruiter. Although I’m super disappointed in them passing on Simon’s brother, he’s done very well recruiting LBer at ND. He’s found very good fits for the position group too. 5 composite 4*’s is a pretty good talent pool in 2 cycles.
CB - Vacant
S - Terry Joseph - Kyle Hamilton. Enough said. Proved at Tennessee, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and UNC to be a very good recruiter and hopefully that continues because the DB group is in need of talent.
ST - Brian Polian - Recruiting coordinator and the west coast guru for the staff. Very very good recruiter and has helped with tons of recruitments around the country.

Apparently Joe Moorhead is a very strong recruiter and proved to be an extremely hard worker at it while at Miss State. Demetrice Martin is a big time recruiter and consistently came up in the 247 Recruiter Rankings while at Washington and UCLA. Hire those two guys and who would be the worst recruiter on staff??? It would most likely be the best recruiting staff ever assembled in the BK era and would likely help push them into that top 5 class range that they are trying to shoot for. Even if they don’t hire exactly those two guys then they’ve got one of the best recruiting staffs around and they’ll make life very easy for Coach Kelly as long as he can improve his communication with recruits and the infrastructure of the football program continues to improve!

 

[beryirish]

I understand that aspect. It's not actually about recruiting rankings. It's about signing difference makers. First round NFL draft picks. What it comes down to is, ND won't be a top 5 team until they start signing a handful of difference makers every year, like the perennial playoff teams do. Who is usually the main recruiter on these types of players? The head coach.

It's also not just about these two kids and this particular class. The reporters covering ND have been hinting at this for YEARS on their podcasts. No one had the balls to actually call Kelly out in a piece until now. This story just kind of broke it open and put some specifics on it. Why would all of these people lie about this? It makes no sense. You don't potentially sabotage your relationship with sources because of some clicks in January. Same goes for the former staff members that have been informing on it. They get nothing out of lying about this. I don't really understand why people are doubting the veracity of the reports.

What it comes down to is, ND will never win a playoff game, let alone a championship, without recruiting better. They are 5-10 frontline NFL players away from OSU, Alabama, Clemson, and LSU. So we should all be hoping it is as simple as Kelly putting in more time/changing the strategy to identify where his time should be best spent. That would be the easiest fix.

You don't have to sign Top 5 classes to be a perennial CFP contender ala Clemson. Their best composite ranking finish was 7th in 2018. Dabo has averaged a 15 class ranking during his tenure, that's including No. 1 thus far this year. Like you said you have to find difference makers. They have to fit your program and they don't HAVE to be top ranked players. You just have to develop them and get them to fit your system perfectly.

 

[Free Manera]

You don't have to sign Top 5 classes to be a perennial CFP contender ala Clemson. Their best composite ranking finish was 7th in 2018. Dabo has averaged a 15 class ranking during his tenure, that's including No. 1 thus far this year. Like you said you have to find difference makers. They have to fit your program and they don't HAVE to be top ranked players. You just have to develop them and get them to fit your system perfectly.

This is actually my point. Clemson doesn't always have a top 5 class. However, from 2014 - 2019 they have signed the following highly ranked recruits:

Trevor Lawrence (#1 nationally)
Dexter Lawrence (#2 nationally)
Xavier Thomas (#3 nationally)
KJ Henry (#14 nationally)
Deon Cain (#2 WR)
Tee Higgins (#2 WR)
Mitch Hyatt (#2 OT)
Jackson Carman (#2 OT)
Andrew Booth (#2 CB)
Christian Wilkins (#6 DT)
Deshaun Watson (#1 QB)
Justyn Ross (#45 nationally)


Here is ND's list of notable recruits (https://247sports.com/college/notre-dame/Sport/Football/AllTimeRecruits/):

Tommy Kraemer (#3 OT)
Brandon Wimbush (#3 QB)
Nyles Morgan (#3 ILB)
Kyle Hamilton (#5 S)
Brock Wright (#2 TE)
Cole Kmet (#3 TE)
Liam Eichenberg (#7 OT)


What do you notice? 1. At the difference maker positions of QB, WR, and D line, Clemson has a stockpile of top 2 players. 2. ND had Wimbush.

 

[BobbyMac]

I think I'd take a big gamble here.

I'd offer Coach Meat and Donte Williams ludicrous money and take whoever comes first.

Why?

I'd go against conventional wisdom and go back into SoCal HARD.

Yep, the state we failed in so badly. The state we all complained about why we waste our resources there.

What changed?

A LOT of Variables.

- Polian's still out there doing his thing. Check.

- During the drawback, ND hires SC/LA guy Del Alexander and he's been working the streets as the regional guy with a position coach who wasn't getting it done somehow.

- You are going to have the #1 Offensive player in the country coming from SD. Kids are followers. Kids are about "movements" in recruiting.

- LA/OC is FULL of top notch, RKG kids at the right kind of HS. Not the Factory Dreamers at Mater Dei or Bosco but Loyola, Alemany, Servite, JSerra, Bishop Amat. '21 & '22 look like 2017 when ND missed on Thomas Graham, Elijah Gates & Elijah Hicks. With today's variables and the right CB coach, Graham and at least one of the Elijah's are probably in SB. Hell, Paulson Adebo might have been in SB with today's scenario. (Yes, 2017 could have been to CB's what '16 was to DE's)

Now, in regards to Williams... I don't think he'd leave his top ranked unit for an extra $200k or whatever. He's in a good spot and his next move is a DC somewhere. I could see Cristobal putting him on the Jimmy Lake path to keep him there, he's gold.

Coach Meat would prolly jump at the chance to get out of Tucson. It'll go sideways as long as Sumlin is there. Not a good fit, he's getting ZERO out of Phoenix or Tucson. Even lost Zona legacy Jason Harris to Colorado of all places.

 

[NDMIA]

I think I'd take a big gamble here.

I'd offer Coach Meat and Donte Williams ludicrous money and take whoever comes first.

Why?

I'd go against conventional wisdom and go back into SoCal HARD.

Yep, the state we failed in so badly. The state we all complained about why we waste our resources there.

What changed?

A LOT of Variables.

- Polian's still out there doing his thing. Check.

- During the drawback, ND hires SC/LA guy Del Alexander and he's been working the streets as the regional guy with a position coach who wasn't getting it done somehow.

- You are going to have the #1 Offensive player in the country coming from SD. Kids are followers. Kids are about "movements" in recruiting.

- LA/OC is FULL of top notch, RKG kids at the right kind of HS. Not the Factory Dreamers at Mater Dei or Bosco but Loyola, Alemany, Servite, JSerra, Bishop Amat. '21 & '22 look like 2017 when ND missed on Thomas Graham, Elijah Gates & Elijah Hicks. With today's variables and the right CB coach, Graham and at least one of the Elijah's are probably in SB. Hell, Paulson Adebo might have been in SB with today's scenario. (Yes, 2017 could have been to CB's what '16 was to DE's)

Now, in regards to Williams... I don't think he'd leave his top ranked unit for an extra $200k or whatever. He's in a good spot and his next move is a DC somewhere. I could see Cristobal putting him on the Jimmy Lake path to keep him there, he's gold.

Coach Meat would prolly jump at the chance to get out of Tucson. It'll go sideways as long as Sumlin is there. Not a good fit, he's getting ZERO out of Phoenix or Tucson. Even lost Zona legacy Jason Harris to Colorado of all places.

I’m with you on Donte Williams but he’s like Corey Raymond for LSU. Anything ND would offer, those schools would match or exceed and they’ve got those programs rolling. The reason I see Martin as a fit is cause he’s at Arizona which isn’t boosting his resume at all. He can come to a super stable program in ND where he’ll have 10 win seasons on his resume and get back to recruiting 4-5* dudes for CB which isn’t happening at Arizona. Sumlin also could be out after this season if it goes poorly. His buyout just went down from $10M to $5M so he could be in trouble if he doesn’t turn the ship around.

 

[NDdomer2]

so many of our threads all end up in the same place
round and round we go, where it stops, NEVER

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Panthers?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Panthers</a> HC Matt Rhule once offered DJ Moore a scholarship at Temple, but Moore opted to go to Maryland instead. Rhule had to remind him that today... <br><br>"The tables have turned."<br><br>(via <a href="https://twitter.com/Panthers?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Panthers</a>)<a href="https://t.co/nhBh49Ty2w">pic.twitter.com/nhBh49Ty2w</a></p>— NFL Update (@MySportsUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1214976388706525190?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

envious of Panthers bagging Rhule. Was hoping he'd be an option for ND in a season or two. Just a great coach and the right amount of humility and determination.

 

[Legacy]

You don't have to sign Top 5 classes to be a perennial CFP contender ala Clemson. Their best composite ranking finish was 7th in 2018. Dabo has averaged a 15 class ranking during his tenure, that's including No. 1 thus far this year. Like you said you have to find difference makers. They have to fit your program and they don't HAVE to be top ranked players. You just have to develop them and get them to fit your system perfectly.

Spot on. Dabo is able to keep his assistant coaches for five years and counting, identifying those recruits who will fit into their system and develop them - especially in the OL. For a John Simpson (#7 ranked OG) and a Mitch Hyatt (#2 OT) will start alongside Treymayne Anchrum (#24 OT), George Cervenka (#52 DT, moved to OG) and Sean Pollard (#27 OT moved to OC) for the NC game. Isaiah Simmons (#25 S) is now their SLB and is projected to be the first LB taken in the '20 draft. Travis Etienne (#15 RB) and Hunter Renfrow (Not rated) as well as Amari Rodgers (#16 WR) were forces in our loss to Clemson in the Playoff behind those types of OL recruits. It takes a team.

 

[Legacy]

Rocky Long steps down, Brady Hoke named next head coach at San Diego State

 

[stlnd01]

Spot on. Dabo is able to keep his assistant coaches for five years and counting, identifying those recruits who will fit into their system and develop them - especially in the OL. For a John Simpson (#7 ranked OG) and a Mitch Hyatt (#2 OT) will start alongside Treymayne Anchrum (#24 OT), George Cervenka (#52 DT, moved to OG) and Sean Pollard (#27 OT moved to OC) for the NC game. Isaiah Simmons (#25 S) is now their SLB and is projected to be the first LB taken in the '20 draft. Travis Etienne (#15 RB) and Hunter Renfrow (Not rated) as well as Amari Rodgers (#16 WR) were forces in our loss to Clemson in the Playoff behind those types of OL recruits. It takes a team.

Clemson seems to do a very good job of putting together a team of truly elite recruits (Trevor Lawrence, for instance), and unheralded three-stars who fit their system and are developed well. They also, as you note, have unusually low staff turnover for an elite program, which probably makes that a little easier.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Clemson seems to do a very good job of putting together a team of truly elite recruits (Trevor Lawrence, for instance), and unheralded three-stars who fit their system and are developed well. They also, as you note, have unusually low staff turnover for an elite program, which probably makes that a little easier.

Staff stability is critical and Clemson's done a better job of keeping their guys than anyone I've ever seen before. Getting your staff raided is the price of success and is usually one of the biggest reasons dynasties don't last long. Saban's done a good job of reloading his staff over & over, but having to do so has hurt Bama a couple of times, especially last year. My hat's off to Dabo in this regard.

 

[Irishize]

I understand that aspect. It's not actually about recruiting rankings. It's about signing difference makers. First round NFL draft picks. What it comes down to is, ND won't be a top 5 team until they start signing a handful of difference makers every year, like the perennial playoff teams do. Who is usually the main recruiter on these types of players? The head coach.

It's also not just about these two kids and this particular class. The reporters covering ND have been hinting at this for YEARS on their podcasts. No one had the balls to actually call Kelly out in a piece until now. This story just kind of broke it open and put some specifics on it. Why would all of these people lie about this? It makes no sense. You don't potentially sabotage your relationship with sources because of some clicks in January. Same goes for the former staff members that have been informing on it. They get nothing out of lying about this. I don't really understand why people are doubting the veracity of the reports.

What it comes down to is, ND will never win a playoff game, let alone a championship, without recruiting better. They are 5-10 frontline NFL players away from OSU, Alabama, Clemson, and LSU. So we should all be hoping it is as simple as Kelly putting in more time/changing the strategy to identify where his time should be best spent. That would be the easiest fix.

You’re right. I listen to all the pods and they seconded what Karels of the SBT reported. It wasn’t some big conspiracy so I don’t know why everyone is getting all pissy about it but Fortuna, Sampson, Prister, O’Malley & the SBT guys all seconded this. Not to be controversial but to simply state a FACT. For whatever reason, BK hasn’t gotten involved in recruiting as much as he could. And the writers go on to laud BK about how great he is in small groups & one-on-one (in other words, they complimented him). Sampson summed it up best IMO. He said (I’m paraphrasing) “BK talked about being amongst the top 5 in signing classes. If that’s the goal, then he definitely needs to step up on his contact w/ recruits.” The writers are NOT saying BK is a bad recruiter or a bad person or a bad coach. They just point out that if he’s intent w/ top 10-15 classes, keep doing the status quo but if he truly wants top 5 then the SBT reporting couldn’t have come at a better time.

Regarding the 2 recruits (Ransom & McMillian), they all seem to think Ransom wasn’t coming to ND no matter what but McMillian was there to be had. And they all noted the times BK has stepped up like when he went all in on Nyles Morgan recruitment. Or the fact that some kids have appreciated his laid back approach and had to tell his assts to back off b/c they were contacting so much that they were creeping him out. By the way, the writers quoted current & former coaches as saying the same thing about BK...NOT bashing him just pointing out that he could be such an asset as a recruiter.

Hopefully, folks who disagree w/ this take it up w/ the writers who are vouching for this.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Finally a voice of reason.

 

[dublinirish]

You’re right. I listen to all the pods and they seconded what Karels of the SBT reported. It wasn’t some big conspiracy so I don’t know why everyone is getting all pissy about it but Fortuna, Sampson, Prister, O’Malley & the SBT guys all seconded this. Not to be controversial but to simply state a FACT. For whatever reason, BK hasn’t gotten involved in recruiting as much as he could. And the writers go on to laud BK about how great he is in small groups & one-on-one (in other words, they complimented him). Sampson summed it up best IMO. He said (I’m paraphrasing) “BK talked about being amongst the top 5 in signing classes. If that’s the goal, then he definitely needs to step up on his contact w/ recruits.” The writers are NOT saying BK is a bad recruiter or a bad person or a bad coach. They just point out that if he’s intent w/ top 10-15 classes, keep doing the status quo but if he truly wants top 5 then the SBT reporting couldn’t have come at a better time.

Regarding the 2 recruits (Ransom & McMillian), they all seem to think Ransom wasn’t coming to ND no matter what but McMillian was there to be had. And they all noted the times BK has stepped up like when he went all in on Nyles Morgan recruitment. Or the fact that some kids have appreciated his laid back approach and had to tell his assts to back off b/c they were contacting so much that they were creeping him out. By the way, the writers quoted current & former coaches as saying the same thing about BK...NOT bashing him just pointing out that he could be such an asset as a recruiter.

Hopefully, folks who disagree w/ this take it up w/ the writers who are vouching for this.

this was totally Diaco lol

 

[stlnd01]

You’re right. I listen to all the pods and they seconded what Karels of the SBT reported. It wasn’t some big conspiracy so I don’t know why everyone is getting all pissy about it but Fortuna, Sampson, Prister, O’Malley & the SBT guys all seconded this. Not to be controversial but to simply state a FACT. For whatever reason, BK hasn’t gotten involved in recruiting as much as he could. And the writers go on to laud BK about how great he is in small groups & one-on-one (in other words, they complimented him). Sampson summed it up best IMO. He said (I’m paraphrasing) “BK talked about being amongst the top 5 in signing classes. If that’s the goal, then he definitely needs to step up on his contact w/ recruits.” The writers are NOT saying BK is a bad recruiter or a bad person or a bad coach. They just point out that if he’s intent w/ top 10-15 classes, keep doing the status quo but if he truly wants top 5 then the SBT reporting couldn’t have come at a better time.

Yeah. I listened to Sampson and Fortuna's podcast on The Athletic this week and this is basically what they said. One of them even said "Thank God someone finally came out talked about this in public," and suggested it's been an off-the-record issue among assistants and people close to the program for years.

Which is not to say it's the end of the world. They also noted BK has long been a very successful coach and what works for him has, by and large, has worked quite well, and that as a recruiter he can be very "effective in a small room," as they put it. But also the guy has a lot on his plate and time spent texting 17 year olds about how awesome they are is time not spent, I dunno, preparing his actual team to play real football games and stuff. Priorities, ya know?

So, sucks that we may have lost one four-star recruit this year because BK didn't push it hard enough. But it doesn't seem like anyone's really out to get him, and also maybe let's not blow the thing out of proportion.

 

[ulukinatme]

Rocky Long steps down, Brady Hoke named next head coach at San Diego State

Brady Hoke is once again HC of San Diego State? Time is a circle.

Next thing you know he'll be back at Michigan once Harbaugh is ousted.

[webm]https://i.imgur.com/myt3cV1.mp4[/webm]

 

[zelezo vlk]

Mike Leach to Mississippi State, this is not a drill!

 

[T Town Tommy]

Mike Leach to Mississippi State, this is not a drill!

Leach and Joey Freshwater. God... the state of Mississippi is going to be entertaining as hell.

 

[NDMIA]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Boston College is hiring UMass DC Aazaar Abdul-Rahim to be defensive backs coach. Abdul-Rahim is an elite recruiter of the Washington D.C./DMV area.</p>— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/1215326709538574336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Really good hire from BC. Would've been another DB coach I'd have liked for ND. Young, hungry, and really good recruiter.

 

[Irish#1]

Brady Hoke is once again HC of San Diego State? Time is a circle.

Next thing you know he'll be back at Michigan once Harbaugh is ousted.

[webm]https://i.imgur.com/myt3cV1.mp4[/webm]

 

[IrishLion]

Mike Mickens in play as CB coach is awesome.

UC's corner group is crazy good right now. They recruit well, but they also develop well. They're like 5-deep with legit options at corner.

Highlighted by one of my favorite players in CFB right now, Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Cincinnati has found a gem in freshman CB Ahmad Gardner<br><br>The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bearcats?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Bearcats</a> CB was one of the most frequently-targeted DBs this year, ranking 15th (of 200) in snaps/target.<br><br>How did he respond?<br><br>87.6 <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@PFF</a> grade (6th)<br>90.0 coverage grade (7th)<br>0 TDs & 39.4 passer rating allowed (4th)�� <a href="https://t.co/JKXGhf878d">pic.twitter.com/JKXGhf878d</a></p>— Evan McPhillips (@emcphil) <a href="https://twitter.com/emcphil/status/1214595576572104707?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 7, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ab2cmiller]

Have no clue why Leach would leave Pullman, WA. Seems like a perfect fit. He can do his thing without getting bothered by a bunch of silly reporters.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Have no clue why Leach would leave Pullman, WA. Seems like a perfect fit. He can do his thing without getting bothered by a bunch of silly reporters.

Because the Mad Pirate is an agent of chaos, and he couldn't pass up the chance to compete in the Thunder Dome that is the SECW.

 

[ACamp1900]

Have no clue why Leach would leave Pullman, WA. Seems like a perfect fit. He can do his thing without getting bothered by a bunch of silly reporters.

My thoughts exactly....

 

[Irish YJ]

Leach and Joey Freshwater. God... the state of Mississippi is going to be entertaining as hell.

Simply delicious. I was happy to see Lame Kitten come back, but Leach in the SEC is going to be incredible.

 

[Luckylucci]

Because the Mad Pirate is an agent of chaos, and he couldn't pass up the chance to compete in the Thunder Dome that is the SECW.

Haha, so true. Can't rep ya otherwise I would. I could totally see Leach knowing what this move entails but not giving a F#$k because, hey, it'll be a fun ride and then he retires.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Leach and Freshwater just made SEC Media day must see tv.