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Coaching - By and large the players were put in a position to win but they did not execute. I do not blame the coaches.
I respectfully disagree. Everyone knew the box was going to be stacked all night. And we ran right at a line of 5 blocking 9 defenders.
I will say, the players deserve a shit load of the blame too. The multiple drops when we did throw the ball are unacceptable.
 

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I'm not sure we want Clemson to win out. I think we end up being somewhat proxied against the ACC top dog in the playoff discussion. They may find it hard to have an ACC champ AND half member Notre Dame eat up two spots in the playoff. That would mean the SEC, B1G, PAC12 and Big 12 only get two spots and I don't see the voters pulling that lever. SEC is almost guaranteed a spot, even if they have a three loss winner which is entirely possible this year.

We are in pretty good shape at #15 right now. Losses are going to start piling up for the folks in front of us, if Bama can bounce back into the Top 10 that fast we can too with wins over Navy and USC the next two weeks.
 

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I haven't read through anything yet so this may all be repeat stuff. I had to head out of Clemson(Greenville) early Sunday AM and get home to build dams around my house. Been an interesting weekend.

Stay safe, friend.
 

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I respectfully disagree. Everyone knew the box was going to be stacked all night. And we ran right at a line of 5 blocking 9 defenders.
I will say, the players deserve a shit load of the blame too. The multiple drops when we did throw the ball are unacceptable.

And you know for a fact that Kizer had no responsibility to check to a pass out of an 8 man front? Maybe they thought a ball control, field position game was a safer bet in wet conditions with an unproven QB and had to scrap that when we got down too far. I don't blame them for not WANTING to throw the ball in a monsoon. Why take the CHANCE that your QB is a warrior in the rain without seeing if we can get a push upfront with our top tier O-line.

Did you see the part where they got the ball to Procise for 150 all purpose yards? Yeah, not room upfront but got him the ball in space to get the ball in the hands of your difference maker. Fuller returning a punt and a few other things showed me they were working to get their studs in a position to make a difference, CJ did... Fuller not so much. Then again we have had convos on Fuller being a body catcher so maybe that combined with Mack Alexander being maybe their best player had him in decoy mode most of the game.
 

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Have you seen Kizer check out of a play yet. I'm not sure he's given that control. And if so, that too is on the coaches. The kid can't read anything in the field. If anything, get to the line early, look to the sidelines and allow them to make a change (as i've seen a few times), and go from there. I think this loss is on the players too, but the coaches hold some responsibility as well.
 

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As far as Clemson winning out. I think we need them to lose to GT and someone else other than FSU. That will give them 2 losses, make our GT W look a bit better, and mean they beat FSU.
 

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Have you seen Kizer check out of a play yet. I'm not sure he's given that control. And if so, that too is on the coaches. The kid can't read anything in the field. If anything, get to the line early, look to the sidelines and allow them to make a change (as i've seen a few times), and go from there. I think this loss is on the players too, but the coaches hold some responsibility as well.

Wow...


Have you ever coached anything.. like... in your life?


Dude who never played big time QB is handing off a ball to another dude who never played the position, ever.

I think Kizer is doing incredibly well, enough well to win out.

Wanna bet?
 

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Thank you Captain Obvious! Yes, everyone has responsibility! Because their strategy didn't work doesn't mean it was complete crap!

I will say that coaches might psyched themselves out of the traditional "take what they give you" approach and gotten stubborn with play calls given the weather. I have a hard time faulting them with a "first do no harm" approach to starting the game.

I also think someone forgot to look into Clemson's field. It was well drained artificial turf and it seemed like it took the first quarter for the entire team to realize they weren't playing in a mud pit. Clemson had confidence in their footing, we did not.
 

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Wow...


Have you ever coached anything.. like... in your life?


Dude who never played big time QB is handing off a ball to another dude who never played the position, ever.

I think Kizer is doing incredibly well, enough well to win out.

Wanna bet?
I think Kizer is doing great. As well as Prosise. The fact still remain Kizer reads nothing on the field. That's why I don't expect him to have the responsibility to check out of a play.
 

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my .02, That loss really sucked.

I keep saying to myself, it was a 2 point loss on the road to clemson but...

I don't think clemson is very good.

sloppy play is what lost it for us.

I have a feeling clemson is going to lose a couple more, and thats really going to hurt our s o s.

I keep trying to find positives but this week is going to suck, and likely next week too, until we get a chance to show ourselves again against sc.

our schedule is not looking so good right now as far as quality wins. two quality chances left with SC and stanford.

Really down about this one.
 

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By the way, if anyone cares, here's my take on the gameday experience at Clemson:

Negatives:

1. The Rain. It caused most people to show up to the tailgate lots only a couple of hours before the game. I was there at 10 am and most people didn't show up until 3-4. I was told this was because of the rain and I believe it.
2. There are only a few bars in downtown Clemson. I went out the night before and went to 3 bars and it was really hard to get a drink. They were fun places though. Wingin It has good bar food.
3. NO BALLOONS WTF

Positives:

1. I don't think I met a single person that wasn't nice to me. Everyone was extremely welcoming and eager to help out. Lots of people said "Welcome to Clemson" or stopped by my tailgate to ask what we thought about the game. So basically, they treated us like we would treat them at ND.
2. Fans were also very knowledgeable. The handful that I spoke to before the game knew all of our starters names and knew all about the guys that got hurt. A couple told me they have been watching the Showtime Series and respect our program a lot. They also didn't boo as much as other teams tend to do on calls that go against them. I remember them booing a couple of times but otherwise they basically acknowledged correct calls.
3. The game environment was incredible! Those fans know what they are doing. I stood the entire game along with everyone else that I could see in the lower levels. Not sure if the upper levels were standing but the lower levels definitely were. The ENTIRE GAME. And they were LOUD. And they were loud well before we snapped the ball. For 3rd downs they basically started getting loud once the playclock started. We really need to find a way to get our fans to cheer the way Clemson fans do. It's almost embarrassing how less noisy our stadium is.


Overall just a really great place to see a football game. I encourage everyone to try and get down there once in your life. Definitely the coolest experience (other than ND) I have ever been to.
 

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By the way, if anyone cares, here's my take on the gameday experience at Clemson:

Negatives:

1. The Rain. It caused most people to show up to the tailgate lots only a couple of hours before the game. I was there at 10 am and most people didn't show up until 3-4. I was told this was because of the rain and I believe it.
2. There are only a few bars in downtown Clemson. I went out the night before and went to 3 bars and it was really hard to get a drink. They were fun places though. Wingin It has good bar food.
3. NO BALLOONS WTF

Positives:

1. I don't think I met a single person that wasn't nice to me. Everyone was extremely welcoming and eager to help out. Lots of people said "Welcome to Clemson" or stopped by my tailgate to ask what we thought about the game. So basically, they treated us like we would treat them at ND.
2. Fans were also very knowledgeable. The handful that I spoke to before the game knew all of our starters names and knew all about the guys that got hurt. A couple told me they have been watching the Showtime Series and respect our program a lot. They also didn't boo as much as other teams tend to do on calls that go against them. I remember them booing a couple of times but otherwise they basically acknowledged correct calls.
3. The game environment was incredible! Those fans know what they are doing. I stood the entire game along with everyone else that I could see in the lower levels. Not sure if the upper levels were standing but the lower levels definitely were. The ENTIRE GAME. And they were LOUD. And they were loud well before we snapped the ball. For 3rd downs they basically started getting loud once the playclock started. We really need to find a way to get our fans to cheer the way Clemson fans do. It's almost embarrassing how less noisy our stadium is.


Overall just a really great place to see a football game. I encourage everyone to try and get down there once in your life. Definitely the coolest experience (other than ND) I have ever been to.

Agree on the positives. Weather and loss aside, was a fantastic experience. Fans were great. Not one a-hole. Had a few Clemson fans in my tailgate off and on. They need to work on drainage in the stands though lol. Was standing in 8in of water the entire game. Rubber boots from the Tractor Supply Store is absolutely the best 20 bucks I've ever spent.
 

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By the way, if anyone cares, here's my take on the gameday experience at Clemson:

Negatives:

1. The Rain. It caused most people to show up to the tailgate lots only a couple of hours before the game. I was there at 10 am and most people didn't show up until 3-4. I was told this was because of the rain and I believe it.
2. There are only a few bars in downtown Clemson. I went out the night before and went to 3 bars and it was really hard to get a drink. They were fun places though. Wingin It has good bar food.
3. NO BALLOONS WTF

Positives:

1. I don't think I met a single person that wasn't nice to me. Everyone was extremely welcoming and eager to help out. Lots of people said "Welcome to Clemson" or stopped by my tailgate to ask what we thought about the game. So basically, they treated us like we would treat them at ND.
2. Fans were also very knowledgeable. The handful that I spoke to before the game knew all of our starters names and knew all about the guys that got hurt. A couple told me they have been watching the Showtime Series and respect our program a lot. They also didn't boo as much as other teams tend to do on calls that go against them. I remember them booing a couple of times but otherwise they basically acknowledged correct calls.
3. The game environment was incredible! Those fans know what they are doing. I stood the entire game along with everyone else that I could see in the lower levels. Not sure if the upper levels were standing but the lower levels definitely were. The ENTIRE GAME. And they were LOUD. And they were loud well before we snapped the ball. For 3rd downs they basically started getting loud once the playclock started. We really need to find a way to get our fans to cheer the way Clemson fans do. It's almost embarrassing how less noisy our stadium is.


Overall just a really great place to see a football game. I encourage everyone to try and get down there once in your life. Definitely the coolest experience (other than ND) I have ever been to.


I agree on all counts. Positive 1 deserves particular emphasis. It was really overwhelming how nice the Clemson fans were. I have never in my life met home fans who genuinely went out of their way to be nice to away fans like that. All weekend long, people just walked up and started conversations with me based on my ND shirt.*

Clemson fans really seem to take pride in that. They frequently contrasted themselves to Georgia fans -- "we aren't assholes who throw batteries at you like down in Athens!" I have no idea if there is any truth to that criticism, but Clemson fans feel strongly about being welcoming.

*Earlier this season, I noticed that there were ND T shirts of all different colors on sale at the ND bookstore. Knowing I was going to the Clemson game, I picked up an orange one, and I wore it all day Friday. I didn't know what the reaction would be, but Clemson fans thought this was hilarious and I got compliments all day. Just super nice people everywhere I went, all weekend long.
 
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Good stuff to hear. Besides the weather, I had concerns about making the road trip due to potential backwoods behavior. I will try harder to make it there when we return in 5 or 6 years for a rematch.
 

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By the way, if anyone cares, here's my take on the gameday experience at Clemson:

Negatives:

1. The Rain. It caused most people to show up to the tailgate lots only a couple of hours before the game. I was there at 10 am and most people didn't show up until 3-4. I was told this was because of the rain and I believe it.
2. There are only a few bars in downtown Clemson. I went out the night before and went to 3 bars and it was really hard to get a drink. They were fun places though. Wingin It has good bar food.
3. NO BALLOONS WTF

Positives:

1. I don't think I met a single person that wasn't nice to me. Everyone was extremely welcoming and eager to help out. Lots of people said "Welcome to Clemson" or stopped by my tailgate to ask what we thought about the game. So basically, they treated us like we would treat them at ND.
2. Fans were also very knowledgeable. The handful that I spoke to before the game knew all of our starters names and knew all about the guys that got hurt. A couple told me they have been watching the Showtime Series and respect our program a lot. They also didn't boo as much as other teams tend to do on calls that go against them. I remember them booing a couple of times but otherwise they basically acknowledged correct calls.
3. The game environment was incredible! Those fans know what they are doing. I stood the entire game along with everyone else that I could see in the lower levels. Not sure if the upper levels were standing but the lower levels definitely were. The ENTIRE GAME. And they were LOUD. And they were loud well before we snapped the ball. For 3rd downs they basically started getting loud once the playclock started. We really need to find a way to get our fans to cheer the way Clemson fans do. It's almost embarrassing how less noisy our stadium is.


Overall just a really great place to see a football game. I encourage everyone to try and get down there once in your life. Definitely the coolest experience (other than ND) I have ever been to.

Agreed---the Clemson fans were great. Very hospitable and classy. I spent a good chunk of Friday afternoon at the Esso Club, and the Clemson fans I encountered were really nice folks.
 

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Stay safe, friend.

Thanks - it's been a wild weekend. The rain really needs to stop and it just keeps coming...

By the way, if anyone cares, here's my take on the gameday experience at Clemson:

Negatives:

1. The Rain. It caused most people to show up to the tailgate lots only a couple of hours before the game. I was there at 10 am and most people didn't show up until 3-4. I was told this was because of the rain and I believe it.
2. There are only a few bars in downtown Clemson. I went out the night before and went to 3 bars and it was really hard to get a drink. They were fun places though. Wingin It has good bar food.
3. NO BALLOONS WTF

Positives:

1. I don't think I met a single person that wasn't nice to me. Everyone was extremely welcoming and eager to help out. Lots of people said "Welcome to Clemson" or stopped by my tailgate to ask what we thought about the game. So basically, they treated us like we would treat them at ND.
2. Fans were also very knowledgeable. The handful that I spoke to before the game knew all of our starters names and knew all about the guys that got hurt. A couple told me they have been watching the Showtime Series and respect our program a lot. They also didn't boo as much as other teams tend to do on calls that go against them. I remember them booing a couple of times but otherwise they basically acknowledged correct calls.
3. The game environment was incredible! Those fans know what they are doing. I stood the entire game along with everyone else that I could see in the lower levels. Not sure if the upper levels were standing but the lower levels definitely were. The ENTIRE GAME. And they were LOUD. And they were loud well before we snapped the ball. For 3rd downs they basically started getting loud once the playclock started. We really need to find a way to get our fans to cheer the way Clemson fans do. It's almost embarrassing how less noisy our stadium is.


Overall just a really great place to see a football game. I encourage everyone to try and get down there once in your life. Definitely the coolest experience (other than ND) I have ever been to.


The entire stadium stood the entire game. Unreal.

It was a great experience. That stadium environment was incredible. I would love to go back when I am not so invested in the game. Just to experience the atmosphere. Fun time - great fans.

I bet the tow trucks made some good money. Those huge grass lots were total mud by the end of the night.
 

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To the secondary discussion, this is from Pro Football Focus who charted the entire game:
After the first two drives he didn’t complete a single pass that traveled further than one yard downfield. His receivers didn’t exactly help him out with five drops, but the play-calling really took all chances to make plays downfield away from Watson. He was 1-for-6 on passes 10-plus yards down the field.

So Watson completed the one contested long pass on the second drive for 24 yards, and otherwise was basically shut out.
 

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Exactly, and it's so apparent. How the F have we not been able to figure this out. I don't care if we run the table and make it to the CFB playoff, becuse we never seemed prepared.

I personally think our coach likes to talk about the big picture so much, his players do to. That results in these lapses of playing. The talent is ridiculous, yet they don't play like it.

I think talking big picture is great and all, but sometimes lost in that is the little things that determine the fine line between winning and losing. If you don't get the little things right then the big things don't come. IMO the Irish need to determine what they want to be first and then work on those little things collectively that will make them better and then the big picture comes more in to focus. Just seems like the elite teams KNOW what they are built for, what they want to accomplish against every opponent, and then work collectively as a team to get there. Maybe it's just me but I don't know what the Irish program is right now. And maybe that's why they just can't seem to take the next step.
 

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To the secondary discussion, this is from Pro Football Focus who charted the entire game:


So Watson completed the one contested long pass on the second drive for 24 yards, and otherwise was basically shut out.

His success runnning was what was perplexing to me. He just ate us up on the ground. 5.8ypc.
 

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They also had two weeks to prepare for this game. It showed in their first two offensive series.
 

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OFD's Eric Murtaugh just published his review of the Clemson game:

Notre Dame looked dead in the water for most of Saturday night in Death Valley. Then, following a stirring 4th quarter comeback there was an opportunity to shock Clemson. It fell short and hurt like hell. Let's breakdown what happened against the Tigers.

Play-Call of the Game: Kizer 56-Yard Touchdown Pass to Prosise

The comeback doesn't begin without this spark early in the 4th quarter. I would say it was easy to forget that the Irish had only scored 3 points through 3 quarters but it most certainly was not easy to forget.

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This was important not only because it breathed live into the Irish offense and put them into position to start a comeback but it gave DeShone Kizer the confidence to start moving the ball through the air and make more plays.

Let's talk about the first 2-point conversion now because it came right after this touchdown pass.

By definition, if there's plenty of room to argue both sides of the decision then it cannot be a terrible coaching blunder. This is in contrast to the 2-point try last year against Northwestern which WAS a coaching blunder that didn't make any sense to any coaching or mathematical wisdom. This decision against Clemson was not that, at all.

To further understand the thought process, and the reasons for and against going for 2 at this point in the game, I'd highly recommend this piece to you:

The Curious Case of Brian Kelly: Notre Dame and the Mysterious 2-Point Conversion

"How early (or late) in a game should coaches think about getting a 2-point try out of the way?"

This is basically the crux of the issue. If you think there was too much time left to be chasing points and/or thought Clemson wouldn't be kept off the scoreboard the rest of the game then it's a 'bad' decision. If you think you were going to need the 2-point conversion at some point and/or the defense was playing well enough to keep Clemson off the scoreboard the decision (which is 'correct' according to the coaching charts) makes sense.

At the end of the day, it's easy to zero in on this as something that 'cost' Notre Dame the game--yet we know from experience that football fans almost always seek out the easiest route and lowest common denominator when a coach makes a black and white decision. To me, it's really not much different than the decision right before halftime to punt from Clemson's 44-yard line with half a minute to play. I disagreed with the decision to punt, and was fine with going for 2-points after Prosise's touchdown, but I believe there were many other more crucial errors and blunders that contributed to the loss.

Clemson had gone 8 offensive possessions with 6 punts, 1 interception, and 1 touchdown drive that began at the Irish 29-yard line following C.J. Sanders' kickoff fumble. Trying to cut it to a 10-point lead in the 4th quarter is not a hugely controversial decision. I'm sorry, it's just not.

You know how I know this wasn't a huge blunder? Social media did not blow up immediately during the game like it did with the Northwestern decision. This decision, like many moments in a game, was aided by second-guessing once the ball sailed through Robinson's hands incomplete.

Armchair Quarterback

One positive takeaway from the loss was the maturation and development from Kizer. If you add in the catchable passes that were dropped the redshirt freshman would have finished 25 of 34 with as many as 400 yards through the air. Clemson definitely dared Kizer to beat them, and while that was a winning bet for the Tigers most of the game, I can't blame Kizer at all because he didn't shrink in the moment.

If there are some teaching moments the interception was a very poor read. Incredibly, with just over 6 minutes left in the game the Irish would get two more long-ish drives after the interception and Clemson missed their field goal attempt anyway. I think this played a large part in second-guessing of the first 2-point conversion attempt.

And another thing to point out was that 208 of Kizer's 321 passing yards came in the final quarter. Only 113 yards through 3 quarters--even factoring in some drops--points to a lot of struggles to move the ball.

Elsewhere, we saw some moments of inaccuracy from Kizer, too. Beyond that he's completely impressed me in nearly every way. Absurd poise, seemingly getting more athletic and comfortable as a runner (led the team with 60 rushing yards!), and able to be a playmaker when everything else around him was not going that well.

Turning Point: Cole Luke Interception

Normally, we talk about a turning point in favor of the winning team. However, since the game came down to Notre Dame's final 2-point play I looked elsewhere for something that turned the tide.

It's kind of funny how Luke has been criticized for shushing the crowd (oh, my what an embarrassment to all involved!) after his interception and then Notre Dame made their comeback immediately following it. I always wonder what the cross-section is for fans who hate that trash talk (it's been a part of the defensive back DNA since 1987, Jesus what do we expect?) and the fans who make blanket statements like "the team wasn't showing enough emotion or passion."

At the time, this pick kind of felt like Notre Dame was just saving face from a blowout loss. The Tigers looked to be marching 84 yards for the back-breaking touchdown and without this interception the game never goes down to the wire.

Surprising Stat: 295 Total Yards by Clemson

Was it just me or did it take a long, long time to realize Clemson really wasn't doing much on offense in this game? The Irish were only out-gained by 15 yards in the first half and mostly due to the problems on offense it felt a lot worse than that.

After Clemson came out guns a blazin' on their first two series' they only gained 191 yards the rest of the game. At the final whistle, Notre Dame had out-gained Clemson by 1.8 yards per play.

It simultaneously seems crazy but makes sense. It's true Clemson got really conservative for most of the second half so it's fair to say those numbers aren't truly indicative of what we could have seen from the Tigers.

Unheralded Star: Torii Hunter

Maybe this was Hunter's break out game? He led the team with 5 catches and scored the final touchdown for the Irish. I'd also point out Max Redfield's 11 solo tackles as a step in the right direction. On Sunday, Kelly told the media this was Redfield's best game in a Notre Dame uniform.

Missed Opportunity: The Final 2-Point Attempt

Originally, I was going to go with Chris Brown's fumble at the Clemson 4-yard line but the Irish ended up right back in the same position just a couple minutes later and scored a touchdown anyway. I guess you could say it was possible to tie the game if Brown doesn't fumble, the defense gets a stop, and the Irish somehow kick a game-winning field goal. But, it's much more likely Clemson gets more aggressive if Brown doesn't fumble and the Irish never get the ball back in regulation. Don't forget there was just over 2 minutes left in the game.

Here was my thought process with the final 2-point conversion. I was surprised that Kizer ran the ball at the snap. I would have thrown the ball for sure.

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After the game, Kelly said a run there by Kizer was the right call given the look from Clemson. They had 6 in the box (with only 2 linemen down in a three-point stance!) and Prosise acting as a lead-blocker. As much as I think a pass was the right call from that above screenshot this looked like a touchdown.

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Except, the Tigers had more players who won this snap. Defensive tackle Carlos Watkins (#94) absolutely owned the play while scraping hard down the line and overpowering both Nick Martin and Steve Elmer. Linebacker Ben Boulware came up and filled the hole so hard that he knocked Prosise back as the lead blocker. These things happened and completely closed any room for Kizer to run.

Flag of the Game: 3 Straight Penalties on Notre Dame's 4th Offensive Series

Penalties weren't a huge part of this game as the Irish only surrendered a single 1st down to Clemson via a flag and they gained only 2 chain-movers on offense from opponent infractions. Most of the calls on the Irish occurred in the first half, especially in the 2nd quarter.

On the 4th drive right in the middle of Notre Dame's struggles on offense they committed a delay of game, false start by McGlinchey, and a delay of game right in a row.

Red Zone TD Success: 66%

Kizer's short touchdown run and pass to Hunter were the red zone drives that ended in touchdowns while Chris Brown's fumble was the lone blemish. How weird is it that in 2 games recently where there is some 2-point controversy both contests featured Brown losing a fumble inside the opponents 5-yard line?

Schemes n Such

The run game got straight embarrassed for most of the game and especially in the first half. There was some talk in the post-game from the Clemson side about keying on Irish linemen's stance and knowing when a run play was coming. If true or not, Notre Dame lost a lot of individual battles up front and could not handle Clemson dropping safeties down into the box. We knew this was going to happen and the run game was obliterated.

I don't have a huge problem with the play-calling early on. It was clear that the staff thought they could ride Prosise and let him set the tone on the road in a crazy venue. Remember how the vast majority of people in our community thought the exact same thing, too?

It's not an easy situation to be in when your gameplan gets blown to bits so quickly. If you abandon the run that early that brings as much if not more criticism and could have been more disastrous with a young quarterback having to put so much on his plate before getting comfortable. If you stay with it brings the criticism we've seen in the post-game aftermath. I don't know, with the weather, the atmosphere, the results, I don't think there was much for the coaches to do re adjustments that didn't come later in the game.

Trench Analysis

The offensive line got mauled in the run game during the first half and wasn't much better in the second half. I just talked about Notre Dame's gameplan getting blown to smithereens and here's the stat line for Prosise in the first half: 10 carries for 4 yards, including -5 yards on his first 6 carries with no single attempt over 1-yard among those first 6 touches.

As usual, the pass protection was where it needed to be, although Clemson notched 4 sacks.

The defensive line played about where we should have expected it. Clemson running back Wayne Gallman had a nice day (98 yards, 4.5 per rush) but was hardly a major factor. There were plenty of instances of stepping up and shutting things down, especially in the second half, and it would have been a much more productive day had the Irish wrapped up on more tackles at and behind the line of scrimmage.

Day, Rochell, Okwara, and Tillery combined for 4 tackles for loss which is a nice day for this group.

Freshmen Update

9 freshmen saw the field on Saturday: TE Alize Jones, LB Te'von Coney, WR C.J. Sanders, K Justin Yoon, CB Nick Coleman, S Nicco Fertitta, RB Josh Adams, WR Equanimeous St. Brown, and DT Jerry Tillery.

Final Thoughts

If you want to script the beginnings to each half the Irish did about as poorly as you can do to open each stanza. Allowing a touchdown, going 3 and out, and allowing another touchdown plagued the start in the first half. After the break Sanders fumbles the kickoff, Clemson scores another touchdown, and Prosise fumbles the next Irish play from scrimmage. Absolutely brutal.

I've been clamoring for a change at kick returner, as have many, and we finally saw it as C.J. Sanders took one back for 46 yards. Hooray! Then, he loses a fumble on a hit from the kicker and it erases all goodwill. I still think he should remain back there as the starter.

Sneaky big play from late in the game? This pass interference no-call in the end-zone on Notre Dame's second-to-last offensive series.

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Chris Brown fumbled on the next play.

Not the worst interference in the history of the world. And as I mentioned above who knows how the game plays out if the Irish score here anyway. Still, Tankersley held Brown for several yards into the end zone and ripped him down to the ground as the ball came into play.

Here's something to discuss: Should Irish corner KeiVarae Russell pass up an extra year of eligibility to enter the NFL Draft this spring? Granted, I think he's made it known he'll graduate and be gone. But still, he has not played anywhere close to the hype and even if he's a Combine workout warrior his stock has taken a significant hit so far in 2015.

Things are not going great for Corey Robinson right now. He had 2 momentous drops (he wasn't the only receiver but his were particularly crucial) and a mental error lining up to boot. He's only caught 5 passes this season and just 18 balls over his last 11 games since having a career game against Florida State in 2014. As a junior you wonder how much more playing time he'll receive in the place of younger kids. On Sunday, Kelly said Robinson needs to get better but they will rely on him in the future. Believe it or not, he's only had 3 games over his career with more than 3 catches.

Overall, the defense played well and did enough to win, at least in a vacuum. If you had told me we'd hold Clemson to under 300 yards I'd be sure Notre Dame would have won--even with the weather. The big heartbreak were the missed tackles which continued to give Clemson life and much better situations on offense. They just couldn't do enough to turn in a super strong performance, and combined with zero sacks and a -3 turnover deficit, a tip-top effort was needed through the first 3 quarters to keep the game close.

It always sucks losing the first game of the season. It hits home that once again this won't be The Year. In all likelihood the Irish won't make the playoffs this year, either. Even though I thought this was a 9-3 team back in August I'm still not immune to feeling the pain of losing what could have been a huge road win for the program. The next step is to see if a New Year's Bowl game or a 10+ win season can be obtained. As I've said several times these two goals need to be achieved this year or else it's going to be a long, long off-season.
 

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No one has mentioned this but allowing that FG was almost as killer as CB's fumble... without that the last TD won the game.
 

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It always sucks losing the first game of the season. It hits home that once again this won't be The Year. In all likelihood the Irish won't make the playoffs this year, either. Even though I thought this was a 9-3 team back in August I'm still not immune to feeling the pain of losing what could have been a huge road win for the program. The next step is to see if a New Year's Bowl game or a 10+ win season can be obtained. As I've said several times these two goals need to be achieved this year or else it's going to be a long, long off-season.

Pretty much where I am:
 

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How did the refs miss that PI on Brown.

Thought same thing and hit rewind to see if any ref had the angle. I don't think there were any stripes in position to see the hold. If the DB knew that then kudos to him knowing how to avoid the foul. Otherwise, just a bad break. With the (lack of) hands on display it is hard to assume Brown was going to catch it but beyond obvious call for anyone in position to see it.
 

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Thought same thing and hit rewind to see if any ref had the angle. I don't think there were any stripes in position to see the hold. If the DB knew that then kudos to him knowing how to avoid the foul. Otherwise, just a bad break. With the (lack of) hands on display it is hard to assume Brown was going to catch it but beyond obvious call for anyone in position to see it.

Didn't Herbie kind of agree with the no call? or did he change his mind on replay?
 

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OFD's Eric Murtaugh just published his review of the Clemson game:

Here's something to discuss: Should Irish corner KeiVarae Russell pass up an extra year of eligibility to enter the NFL Draft this spring? Granted, I think he's made it known he'll graduate and be gone. But still, he has not played anywhere close to the hype and even if he's a Combine workout warrior his stock has taken a significant hit so far in 2015.


I threw this out there last week when discussing numbers for next year. I know he is supremely confident in his ability to play at the next level next year, but he really is struggling and his guy was open a lot Saturday evening and Watson just wasn't looking that direction.
 
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