BVG Fired

[phgreek]

Even after all the crap going on this year, the recruiting is standing tall. Rivals and ESPN have the Irish ranked 6th.

so far...but the offseason is long, and generally unkind when you've done poorly.

I think ND needs to name a DC the moment the final Gun sounds on the season so that hammer is taken from Kakis and the Urb. Hopefully said DC can bring a few Tuitt and Nix's in, and we'll never know we had a bad '16.

I know BK can manufacture points...I also think he gets in concept ruts...a strong defense helps get us over the ruts without L's.

...but to keep things positive, and prevent an exodus, that DC is a must...like immediately.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I've always thought you could lay that at his feat, but strangely... knock on wood... injuries are WAY down this year. I'm not sure why. The GPS they've been using to track usage?

The only starter we've lost to injury this year is Crawford.

Other programs swear by the GPS system. If anything, it allows a coach to know when a player is being overused. I don't think it is the only reason however. Some of the injuries the Irish have seen the last few years are just fluke stuff. Don't know how Longo approaches the day to day activities of his program as opposed to others out there so I can't say that he is or isn't a problem in the end.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Do you know if that factors in the Jeter decommitment?

He's not in either list.

 

[Dizzyphil]

so far...but the offseason is long, and generally unkind when you've done poorly.

I think ND needs to name a DC the moment the final Gun sounds on the season so that hammer is taken from Kakis and the Urb. Hopefully said DC can bring a few Tuitt and Nix's in, and we'll never know we had a bad '16.

I know BK can manufacture points...I also think he gets in concept ruts...a strong defense helps get us over the ruts without L's.

...but to keep things positive, and prevent an exodus, that DC is a must...like immediately.

I believe not only Kelly but the entire coaching staff needs to recruit all that have eligibility as well. I can see a couple leaving early for the NFL but, for this program to start being successful, we need Seniors.

I hate to be the one to say it but, go look at Meechicken's depth chart. 90% of the starters on both sides of the ball are Seniors.

 

[ulukinatme]

This post is hot fire.

That's all BGIF posts. Man among boys.

 

[connor_in]

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[Luckylucci]

Eric Hansen posted this on twitter. The #NotreDame defense wakes up today 54th nationally in total defense, 49 spots higher than the day DC Brian VanGorder was fired.

Some of that has to do with circumstances like weather and opponents but no doubt about it, he was the problem.

 

[stlnd01]

I believe not only Kelly but the entire coaching staff needs to recruit all that have eligibility as well. I can see a couple leaving early for the NFL but, for this program to start being successful, we need Seniors.

I hate to be the one to say it but, go look at Meechicken's depth chart. 90% of the starters on both sides of the ball are Seniors.

We have an unusually thin senior class this year. But, yeah. We lost so much experience and leadership. Not sure why we didn't work harder last year to keep guys like KVR and Prosise.
Looking at this year, I'm not sure who would leave eligibility on the table. Cole Luke and Jarron Jones are done regardless, right? I know Rochell is.
I could see Hunter and Folston leaving but that would have as much to do with younger guys surpassing them as it would with their draft potential. And both are true seniors, who'll graduate this spring, making it a harder sell to stay.
assuming McGlinchey and Nelson stay, the only real wild card is Kizer.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Eric Hansen posted this on twitter. The #NotreDame defense wakes up today 54th nationally in total defense, 49 spots higher than the day DC Brian VanGorder was fired.

Some of that has to do with circumstances like weather and opponents but no doubt about it, he was the problem.

That's insane.

 

[IrishLax]

Eric Hansen posted this on twitter. The #NotreDame defense wakes up today 54th nationally in total defense, 49 spots higher than the day DC Brian VanGorder was fired.

Some of that has to do with circumstances like weather and opponents but no doubt about it, he was the problem.

Even more telling, Sampson posted a stat...

Under BVG, the defense ranked like 102nd in yards per play allowed.

Since his firing, the defense ranks 5th in yards per play allowed. Again, this is warped by playing in a hurricane and against Stanford's anemic offense but it's still jarring even if you adjust for that. The coverage and fundamentals are simply orders of magnitude better.

 

[Luckylucci]

Ugh, that is gross. Makes me sick thinking about how muh better last years D could've been.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Even more telling, Sampson posted a stat...

Under BVG, the defense ranked like 102nd in yards per play allowed.

Since his firing, the defense ranks 5th in yards per play allowed. Again, this is warped by playing in a hurricane and against Stanford's anemic offense but it's still jarring even if you adjust for that. The coverage and fundamentals are simply orders of magnitude better.

The Charlie Weis of defense?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Eric Hansen posted this on twitter. The #NotreDame defense wakes up today 54th nationally in total defense, 49 spots higher than the day DC Brian VanGorder was fired.

Some of that has to do with circumstances like weather and opponents but no doubt about it, he was the problem.

Thank you so much BVG for derailing this season before it even started. And thank you very much Brian Kelly for not firing BVG after last season and letting the ass hat stick around this year and poison the entire team!

Agree that NC State game helped stats due to weather and Stanford game helped defensive stats because they are anemic on offense.

But Miami has a pretty good offense with an NFL QB and a lot of speed and athletes at WR and RB. And the defense played real well especially considering the tough situations special teams put them in. Side note I was looking forward to seeing Yearby play, he was a big time recruit. He plain stunk it up, I know they have a crap line, but he didn't look strong or fast.

Syracuse has a pretty good offense also and ND in the first game post BVG did really well in the second half. Again special teams contributed to a few points for Syracuse.

We have an unusually thin senior class this year. But, yeah. We lost so much experience and leadership. Not sure why we didn't work harder last year to keep guys like KVR and Prosise.

Looking at this year, I'm not sure who would leave eligibility on the table. Cole Luke and Jarron Jones are done regardless, right? I know Rochell is.

I could see Hunter and Folston leaving but that would have as much to do with younger guys surpassing them as it would with their draft potential. And both are true seniors, who'll graduate this spring, making it a harder sell to stay.

assuming McGlinchey and Nelson stay, the only real wild card is Kizer.

On defense J Jones, Rochelle, James O and Cole Luke are gone. On offense no ones eligibility is up. Possibilities: Hunter Jr, Folston, McGovern, Big Mike, Q, Bivin, Smythe, Kizer.

Hunter Jr may decide to i with baseball.

Folston I can def see him going to Auburn to be the man. Especially since he nearly switched to Auburn in the 24th hour during recruitment.



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[ThePiombino]

Eric Hansen posted this on twitter. The #NotreDame defense wakes up today 54th nationally in total defense, 49 spots higher than the day DC Brian VanGorder was fired.

Some of that has to do with circumstances like weather and opponents but no doubt about it, he was the problem.

That's insane.

Even more telling, Sampson posted a stat...

Under BVG, the defense ranked like 102nd in yards per play allowed.

Since his firing, the defense ranks 5th in yards per play allowed. Again, this is warped by playing in a hurricane and against Stanford's anemic offense but it's still jarring even if you adjust for that. The coverage and fundamentals are simply orders of magnitude better.

The Charlie Weis of defense?

The good news here is that after this year, and considering all the above, next year can only over exceed expectations lol

 

[NDdomer2]

Eric Hansen posted this on twitter. The #NotreDame defense wakes up today 54th nationally in total defense, 49 spots higher than the day DC Brian VanGorder was fired.

Some of that has to do with circumstances like weather and opponents but no doubt about it, he was the problem.

If you would have told me this group would have played like the 54th best defense in the nation over the course of the season I would have took it in a heart beat.

I do believe that should be around the floor of a defense we put out on a yearly basis.

Hope they can continue to play at that level rest of season. Should give us chances to win.

 

[ACamp1900]

Eric Hansen posted this on twitter. The #NotreDame defense wakes up today 54th nationally in total defense, 49 spots higher than the day DC Brian VanGorder was fired.

Some of that has to do with circumstances like weather and opponents but no doubt about it, he was the problem.

Total defense is marked by yardage correct? If so the NCstate game and the bye week both helped those stats tremendously. LAX's stat is crazy tho. I blows my mind how bad the tackling was under BVG and how much better is suddenly seemed, he couldn't have actually been coaching, "Fly at the ball carrier and try to make dive tackles on every play,"... could he?? It almost seems so.

 

[Luckylucci]

Total defense is marked by yardage correct? If so the NCstate game and the bye week both helped those stats tremendously. LAX's stat is crazy tho. I blows my mind how bad the tackling was under BVG and how much better is suddenly seemed, he couldn't have actually been coaching, "Fly at the ball carrier and try to make dive tackles on every play,"... could he?? It almost seems so.

Funny, I'd say no, but these are young players. So, what you preach on a daily basis becomes extremely important. I've made mention of this before, but I'm convinced that as BVG preached scheme, scheme, and more scheme, fundamental football went out the window. He didn't place importance on it, so neither did his players. He's either a really bad teacher of the fundamental part of the game of football. Or he just doesn't care to pay attention to it. Either one isn't a recipe for success at the collegiate level.

Kelly mentioned in his presser, that they have changed up practices to focus on more tackling. I believe he said that they changed tackling back to the first period of practice. Also, guys are playing faster, as they aren't as concerned about making mistakes. All around, it sounds like BVG was just a cancer to this team, in almost every possible way.

 

[PANDFAN]

Funny, I'd say no, but these are young players. So, what you preach on a daily basis becomes extremely important. I've made mention of this before, but I'm convinced that as BVG preached scheme, scheme, and more scheme, fundamental football went out the window. He didn't place importance on it, so neither did his players. He's either a really bad teacher of the fundamental part of the game of football. Or he just doesn't care to pay attention to it. Either one isn't a recipe for success at the collegiate level.

Kelly mentioned in his presser, that they have changed up practices to focus on more tackling. I believe he said that they changed tackling back to the first period of practice. Also, guys are playing faster, as they aren't as concerned about making mistakes. All around, it sounds like BVG was just a cancer to this team, in almost every possible way.

100% agree and when you aren't mentally consumed w/ being affraid of making mistakes they are now not playing a step behind and are where they are supposed to be to make the tackle; which is why we don't have the players flying and diving a step too late

 

[NDohio]

Funny, I'd say no, but these are young players. So, what you preach on a daily basis becomes extremely important. I've made mention of this before, but I'm convinced that as BVG preached scheme, scheme, and more scheme, fundamental football went out the window. He didn't place importance on it, so neither did his players. He's either a really bad teacher of the fundamental part of the game of football. Or he just doesn't care to pay attention to it. Either one isn't a recipe for success at the collegiate level.

Kelly mentioned in his presser, that they have changed up practices to focus on more tackling. I believe he said that they changed tackling back to the first period of practice. Also, guys are playing faster, as they aren't as concerned about making mistakes. All around, it sounds like BVG was just a cancer to this team, in almost every possible way.

I would also assume that the position coaches are also much more active in their roles of being teachers of the position. we know about BVG and his ruling over those guys. I have a lot better feeling today about the defensive position coaches than I did 5 weeks ago.

 

[Wingman Ray]

What got me about BVG was the constant complaint that ND didnt have the players to run his defense. Really made no sense. In CFB you have 1 yr redshirt, 1 to 2 years of situational play and 2 years of consistent play unless you are just THAT GUY. So if after all the years BVG had above average recruits, how could ND not have the players to run his defense? I mean, didnt he hand pick them being the DC?

So it wasnt that he didnt have the players for his defense, it was that he was the typical pro football coach that was terribad in developing kids rather than just directing already developed players that are in the NFL.

This just has me scratching my head. How did BK not pick up on this after years of bad defense? So you have a DC that wont recruit, doesnt develop and doesnt take responsibility when his defense craps the bed every week? How do you be okay with that?

Secondly, what do you do with the guy running the defense now? Wasnt he an analysis or something? If you bring in a ringer, do you tell him back to being just an analysis after turning the defense around? You have to assume any good DC will bring his assistants with him

 

[NDinBoston]

ND defense is #54 in Yds/Game and #42 on Yds/Play.

ND offense is #64 in Yds/Game and #52 in Yds/Play.

The defense is carrying the team : ).

 

[Irish Insanity]

ND defense is #54 in Yds/Game and #42 on Yds/Play.

ND offense is #64 in Yds/Game and #52 in Yds/Play.

The defense is carrying the team : ).

#HotTakes

 

[Buster Bluth]

ND defense is #54 in Yds/Game and #42 on Yds/Play.

ND offense is #64 in Yds/Game and #52 in Yds/Play.

The defense is carrying the team : ).

I wonder how that would look if you removed the North Carolina State game.

 

[NDinBoston]

I wonder how that would look if you removed the North Carolina State game.

It would drop from 5.32 YPP to 5.60 YPP and from #42 to #62.

But, if you take that game out and look at just the post-BVG games (SYR, STAN, MIA) they are 4.85 YPP and would rank #19.

 

[NDinBoston]

It would drop from 5.32 YPP to 5.60 YPP and from #42 to #62.

But, if you take that game out and look at just the post-BVG games (SYR, STAN, MIA) they are 4.85 YPP and would rank #19.

FWIW the first 4 games with BVG were 6.18 YPP which would be a current rank of #103.

 

[PANDFAN]

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[Irish#1]

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Smart: BVG that defense looks awfully complicated.
BVG: Exactly, it's so complicated the offense can never get a read on it.
Smart: Isn't it so complicated that even the defense can't get a read on it?
BVG: Genius isn't it?

 

[koonja]

Smart because we play them first meaningful game next year.

 

[irishff1014]

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[Meatloaf]

OSU Sports Extra - Former Notre Dame coordinator Brian VanGorder expected to be named a defensive analyst at Oklahoma State

RIP Okie St. defense.