Brian Kelly Revisited (RIP BOZO)

[11titlesandcounting]

What record would the Administration fire Kelly with?

What record would the Administration fire Kelly with?

I'd not talking about what record he should be fired with. I'm talking about the record he actually would be fired with. I know Swarbrick is publically pleased with Kelly but privately he might think differently.

Would Kelly be able to survive 5-7?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'd not talking about what record he should be fired with. I'm talking about the record he actually would be fired with. I know Swarbrick is publically pleased with Kelly but privately he might think differently.

Would Kelly be able to survive 5-7?

Quite personally if we're 5-6 going into the USC game I'll be rooting for the Trojans. I'm not joking. If we have a bad season this year (which seems likely) I want it to be bad enough to get Kelly fired.

Do you prefer over or under in regards to bridges? You strike me as an under kind of guy. Perhaps of Norwegian descent?

 

[Luckylucci]

You rip off 9 wins in a row to finish 10-2, having beaten the likes of Stanford, Miami, Virginia Tech, and USC along the way; you're getting a good bowl, most likely a NY6 bowl. If that's not an incentive, then you don't belong at ND.

Yea, I'm not saying its likely but there is still a lot to play for. We will undoubtedly be playing in a NY6 bowl if we are 10-2.

 

[woolybug25]

Neg this man...

 

[IrishLax]

The entire season basically comes down to the Stanford game at this point. We might lose to some crappy teams along the way but if we beat Stanford we probably finish at worst 8-4, probably 9-3. If we lose to Stanford we're staring and 7-5 and recruiting will probably tank.

 

[Booslum31]

I'd not talking about what record he should be fired with. I'm talking about the record he actually would be fired with. I know Swarbrick is publically pleased with Kelly but privately he might think differently.

Would Kelly be able to survive 5-7?

Quite personally if we're 5-6 going into the USC game I'll be rooting for the Trojans. I'm not joking. If we have a bad season this year (which seems likely) I want it to be bad enough to get Kelly fired.

What's wrong with the three other threads regarding Kelly's performance? I'm thinking I don't like you. Rooting for SC...GTFOOH!

 

[twig21]

I would think that one who ever roots for SC might warrant a permanent ban.

 

[IrishBroker]

The entire season basically comes down to the Stanford game at this point. We might lose to some crappy teams along the way but if we beat Stanford we probably finish at worst 8-4, probably 9-3. If we lose to Stanford we're staring and 7-5 and recruiting will probably tank.

Agree 100%.

That game is going to be crucial in so many ways. Morale, recruiting, and coach staff future

 

[11titlesandcounting]

Would any DC look good under Kelly?

Would any DC look good under Kelly?

I think that bad head coaches like Brian Kelly make the assistants under them look bad. I'm not convinced Kirby Smart or Pat Narduzzi would look like that great of a DC under Kelly.

The poster child for this is Bob Davie. Do you think Meyer, Strong, Addazio, Mattison and Mullen looked like very good assistants under Davie? Heck Meyer, a member of the Bob Davie coaching tree, basically took the rest of Bob Davie's staff (minus Davie himself) to UF and won 2 NCS with it.

 

[Downinthebend]

I think that poor head coaches like Brian Kelly make the assistants under them look bad. I'm not convinced Kirby Smart or Pat Narduzzi would look like that great of a DC under Kelly.

The poster child for this is Bob Davie. Do you think Meyer, Strong, Addazio, Mattison and Mullen looked like very good assistants under Davie? Heck Meyer, a member of the Bob Davie coaching tree, basically took the rest of Bob Davie's staff (minus Davie himself) to UF and won 2 NCS with it.

Support your theory a bit more, what about Brian Kelly would make defensive coaches look bad? his offense? his anger? what?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Support your theory a bit more, what about Brian Kelly would make defensive coaches look bad? his offense? his anger? what?

The fact he's hands off completely so the staff for that side of the ball would answer to nobody.

 

[Wingman Ray]

On the contrary, I think any really good DC would want it that way. That is a major reason why Lane Kiffen is leaving Alabama because Saban, while being a great coach, is a major control freak. I cant imagine someone top in their field wanting someone breathing down their neck.

 

[Irish Insanity]

On the contrary, I think any really good DC would want it that way. That is a major reason why Lane Kiffen is leaving Alabama because Saban, while being a great coach, is a major control freak. I cant imagine someone top in their field wanting someone breathing down their neck.

We've seen how successful kiffen is when in complete control. BVG too. Some people need to be managed, overlooked, and kept in line.

 

[11titlesandcounting]

On the contrary, I think any really good DC would want it that way. That is a major reason why Lane Kiffen is leaving Alabama because Saban, while being a great coach, is a major control freak. I cant imagine someone top in their field wanting someone breathing down their neck.

He might be leaving Bama because he inexplicably is going to be given a 4th opportunity to be an epic fail as a head coach.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Stole this from Twitter. Coaches since 2010 at the same school.

 

[woolybug25]

You should post in other threads more before starting your own. This is your second poorly done thread.

Just saying that maybe you should feel the place out a bit more before barraging the board with crappy threads?

 

[ND NYC]

I think that bad head coaches like Brian Kelly make the assistants under them look bad. I'm not convinced Kirby Smart or Pat Narduzzi would look like that great of a DC under Kelly.

The poster child for this is Bob Davie. Do you think Meyer, Strong, Addazio, Mattison and Mullen looked like very good assistants under Davie? Heck Meyer, a member of the Bob Davie coaching tree, basically took the rest of Bob Davie's staff (minus Davie himself) to UF and won 2 NCS with it.

ugh to think of all those guys in our coaching stable, and we elevate Boob Davie to HC good grief

 

[BeauBenken]

So you think Kelly is a bad coach, and you also think his assistants don't look good under him? Yea, that's why Harry Hiestand is regarded as one of the best in the business now, that's why Bob Diaco won the Broyles award, or many other coaches were hired away to other programs.

Get a grip.

 

[SoIll]

I think that bad head coaches like Brian Kelly make the assistants under them look bad. I'm not convinced Kirby Smart or Pat Narduzzi would look like that great of a DC under Kelly.

The poster child for this is Bob Davie. Do you think Meyer, Strong, Addazio, Mattison and Mullen looked like very good assistants under Davie? Heck Meyer, a member of the Bob Davie coaching tree, basically took the rest of Bob Davie's staff (minus Davie himself) to UF and won 2 NCS with it.

Go away

 

[beryirish]

 

[IrishLion]

What I'm taking from that chart is give Gary Patterson elite recruits, and watch the championships.

 

[ACamp1900]

What I'm taking from that chart is give Gary Patterson elite recruits, and watch the championships.

agreed, and then there is that Brian Kelly guy.... ouch

 

[Booslum31]

I have to agree with this!

 

[11titlesandcounting]

ugh to think of all those guys in our coaching stable, and we elevate Boob Davie to HC good grief

I guess it may seem bad with the benefit of hindsight. But consider what Meyer's resume was in 1996. Why in the world would we promote a 34 year old who had only been ND WR coach for one year (and didn't have any OC experience) to the head coaching job in 1996? Frankly that would have been absurd beyond belief. It would have been about the most unqualified hiring of a HC in CFB history, perhaps even moreso than Gerry Faust.

Strong, Addazio, Mullen and Mattison never served under Holtz (Davie brought them to South Bend) so promoting them was not an option in 1996.

 

[BeatSC]

I guess it may seem bad with the benefit of hindsight. But consider what Meyer's resume was in 1996. Why in the world would we promote a 34 year old who had only been ND WR coach for one year (and didn't have any OC experience) to the head coaching job in 1996? Frankly that would have been absurd beyond belief. It would have been about the most unqualified hiring of a HC in CFB history, perhaps even moreso than Gerry Faust.

Strong, Addazio, Mullen and Mattison never served under Holtz (Davie brought them to South Bend) so promoting them was not an option in 1996.

I don't mind this thread, anything to spur some conversation. I would have to say that Buddy Ryan did ok with Da Bears without letting Ditka come within 100 yards of his defense. BVG sux and Kelly I sonly at fault for bringing him here and not canning his A$$ after last year. We have the players and the tools to be considerably better on D than we are. I think ND puts out as many CFB HC candidates as any other school over time. Maybe not to great D1 programs but still HC jobs.

 

[IrishLax]

Obvious troll is obvious. What a stupid question, because it's already been answered by Bob Diaco.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Great info in that chart. Thanks for posting.

Two things from me:

1. His avg recruiting class of #12 can't be accurate when given the amount of attrition this program sees. See my post about 2013 class yesterday. HALF of that class isn't on the team this year. That's insane. And not having senior leadership on the roster sure does affect outcomes. Does the HC need to take some of the blame for not recruiting better? Absolutely. But I take that #12 ranking with a grain of salt.

2. A .691 win% for a 13-game schedule (including the bowl games) is about 9 wins per year. He has a .500 win% in bowl games, one of which was a NC appearance. 9 wins per year, for me, isn't horrible. But it's not elite/great either. He can't seem to shake the bad losses. Without those, he's pushing high-70s in the win% range. (Still regularly gets out-coached, imo, against ranked opponents though).

 

[drayer54]

Chevis or Venebles. The only thing cooling Kevin Sumlins seat is the 180 performed by Chief.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Although he does have College experience I think some, if not all of BVG's problems are the fact he's 'from' the NFL. We saw a similar issue with Weis, they just don't comprehend that some of your players have limitations and you have to adjust accordingly unlike in the NFL were if you can't do it, buh bye, we will get someone off of waivers in week 4.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Although he does have College experience I think some, if not all of BVG's problems are the fact he's 'from' the NFL. We saw a similar issue with Weis, they just don't comprehend that some of your players have limitations and you have to adjust accordingly unlike in the NFL were if you can't do it, buh bye, we will get someone off of waivers in week 4.

The Monte Kiffin experience at USC was similarly cringe inducing for USC fans (not for me).