Banned Users

[ThePiombino]

You're entitled to that opinion and I know you're not the only one. I still feel it's unnecessary to express those opinions post-banning.

I'm sorry you are offended by my opinion of another person. I've been given an infraction for my efforts, so you can feel vindicated now.

 

[Rack Em]

I'm sorry you are offended by my opinion of another person. I've been given an infraction for my efforts, so you can feel vindicated now.

We're never going to agree on this subject. It's not about vindication; I'd make the same statement if another poster said that about you, Wooly, Bogs, Buster, Wild Bill, Rhode, or any other poster.

 

[ThePiombino]

We're never going to agree on this subject. It's not about vindication; I'd make the same statement if another poster said that about you, Wooly, Bogs, Buster, Wild Bill, Rhode, or any other poster.

OK fair enough.

 

[FLDomer]

Disagree, but whatevs. For what it's worth, that was the refrained version of what I wanted to say. I firmly believe that child was almost single-handedly destroying this site. I know I'm not the only one who felt (feels) that way.

I'm kinda with Piombino on this feeling. I feel it Koon became more harm than good, he made outlandish childish statements and would argue the same point over and over again, even if reason and facts proved he was wrong. I don't think I could have taken another NDinL.A. and Koon argument....sweet Lord. I don't believe Koon is a bad person just socially immature and he just didn't know when to shut up and let go.

 

[ACamp1900]

For the record, I was aware koon was thought of that way, yet hardly ever saw it, it's incredibly easy (or should be) to just ignore certain posters or, literally, put them on ignore...

 

[Old Man Mike]

ACamp, you are a wise and senior IE man, but I have not found it at all easy to ignore "certain posters" [to leave the obvious unsaid]. This is because even scrolling past "certain posters'" comments still would run me into the next post quoting that poster's comments, and if the "certain poster" wouldn't ever let it go, then entire pages of threads were turned into crap and the thread ruined. You could not tell if the thread would ever be worth logging back into.

Different strokes for different folks surely, but this is my experience and it has ruined a lot of IE for me. Every activity that I engage in I try to guess what the preferred functioning style and purpose of that community is, and contribute accordingly. Some of us obviously have wildly different views of that. I'm willing to be lumbered with the label of being "too serious" about ND football, and actually desirous of learning the insider things you guys bring to IE, and your insights. But "noise" for the sake of ego or shallow hilarity in the midst of those sorts of threads doesn't do it for me.

 

[wizards8507]

Says the guy with that signature. You hit the nail on the head. This is a chat room that is controlled by 8 or so members. Irishpat added nothing to the conversation, so he's gone. If you don't like it, go to UHND because I'm sure he'd be welcome there. This isn't a democracy. Also, you can say it's obviously a joke with your over the top #freeamerica rhetoric. But there are two problems with that: (1) We've had more bannings because the "totally joking" leader of this "totally sarcastic" movement has now broken the site rules pretty blatently to get around Pats permanent banning, so now we're down one consistent contributor for the offseason; (2) if "Free Pat" was a joke it was one that got old about a year ago. So you're either serious (which would be sad), or you won't stop making a joke that's funny to 5 people, two of which are banned from this site (also sad).

So you're saying #FreePat?

You are a hero...you're the hero that Irish Envy needs, but not the one it deserves.
The hero IE deserves is probably like...Aquaman.

(I still call you Ulk in my head.)

 

[ACamp1900]

OMM complimented me, .... I think....

Anyway I do remember a world when I'd see a post and take it like a battle cry... So I get it,... It's a much better board to just lets those things go imo though, and I've also found it easier and easier to do. In terms of shallow hilarity, well obviously I'm a guilty party as I try to make light of a lot of our topics, but like you said, different strokes... There are other nd boards and all vary in tone, some much more serious... I openly go to other boards from time to time.

 

[GowerND11]

OMM complimented me, .... I think....

Anyway I do remember a world when I'd see a post and take it like a battle cry... So I get it,... It's a much better board to just lets those things go imo though, and I've also found it easier and easier to do. In terms of shallow hilarity, well obviously I'm a guilty party as I try to make light of a lot of our topics, but like you said, different strokes... There are other nd boards and all vary in tone, some much more serious... I openly go to other boards from time to time.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

#free koon


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[ACamp1900]

*You're...

 

[GowerND11]

*You're...

Damn Willy Wonka...

 

[IrishinTN]

You're entitled to that opinion and I know you're not the only one. I still feel it's unnecessary to express those opinions post-banning.

This is kind of like a "If a tree falls in the forest" existential question to me- if an insult is made, but the banned poster is not around to see it, does he still get offended?

 

[Rack Em]

This is kind of like a "If a tree falls in the forest" existential question to me- if an insult is made, but the banned poster is not around to see it, does he still get offended?

Tough to say. All of Koon's posts started with "LOL".

 

[Whiskeyjack]

It's easier than you think.

It's really not. Temporary bans are very rarely issued without being preceded by multiple warnings via PM. And permanent bans are virtually never issued to those who haven't received at least 1-2 temporary bans already. I'm not sure what your experience has been on other message boards, but I find they all fall into one of two categories: (1) Wild West (virtually no moderation); or (2) Dictatorship (mods ban people inconsistently and arbitrarily). By internet standards, IE's Due Process is very hard to match. Hell, we cut repeat offenders a lot more slack than most foreign countries do.

This is an internet chat room discussing a football team, not a congressional hearing.

Superficially, that's accurate, and we would all do well to remember the inherent frivolity of the forum and its reason for existing. But it's really more than that. In my totally unbiased opinion, IE is the best NDFB forum on the web (by a large margin), and it's also a rare online space where one can civilly debate things like politics, philosophy and religion. Many of us spend a lot of time contributing in various ways to IE, and that investment makes it more than just a stupid message board.

So I'd argue that this online space is pretty special, but its unique qualities aren't accidental; they're the product of: (1) a lot of very intelligent, funny and/or well-connected people who choose to contribute here rather than elsewhere; and (2) a team of volunteer moderators whose uncompensated time and effort prevents the board from devolving into a sh!t show.*

There are some posters here who choose to define their online personas as contrarians or rebels, and that's fine as far as it goes. There's nothing inherent in becoming a mod that entitles us to significant deference (which is a big reason why we try to be as transparent and democratic with these decisions as possible). But I get annoyed when someone implies that the Mods are petty tyrants ruining this board for honest ND fans. It's not an easy job, we receive no special perks for doing it, and IE's intermittent periods of lawlessness have proven that the quality of discourse around here is not improved by laissez-faire moderating. Perhaps one of our veterans will be kind enough to share some stories from the Bad Old Days.

The Wrath of Koon.

I'm perfectly fine with folks getting a time out. 6 months is a little extreme for telling someone how to cheat the system. Maybe I don't know the whole story, or maybe I'm too accepting. IDK. Or, is it really 6 months? Saw someone said he will be back next week, but read not before the kickoff of the 2015 season.

See my first paragraph above. Perma-bans aren't handed out lightly, so we take it seriously when a member actively helps someone circumvent such a ban. Koon was either getting perma-banned himself, or receiving a long vacation. Most of us voted for the latter. He'll be back when the season starts.

*Since I spend far more time arguing philosophy, politics and religion than moderating, I'm referring mostly to my hard-working peers.

 

[Grahambo]

This board maintains high standards and will continue to do so. Its a board that gets viewed by highly respected individuals from the interwebs and has earned a solid reputation. As others have stated, if you don't like it, pack up and move on.

 

[wizards8507]

So I'd argue that this online space is pretty special, but its unique qualities aren't accidental; they're the product of: (1) a lot of very intelligent, funny and/or well-connected people...

 

[connor_in]

... But "noise" for the sake of ... shallow hilarity in the midst of those sorts of threads doesn't do it for me.

:connor_in has a sad as that is mostly his whole schtick:

 

[Irish#1]

OMM complimented me, .... I think....

Anyway I do remember a world when I'd see a post and take it like a battle cry... So I get it,... It's a much better board to just lets those things go imo though, and I've also found it easier and easier to do. In terms of shallow hilarity, well obviously I'm a guilty party as I try to make light of a lot of our topics, but like you said, different strokes... There are other nd boards and all vary in tone, some much more serious... I openly go to other boards from time to time.

Age has a way of making that happen.

 

[ACamp1900]

Age has a way of making that happen.

What if you're a thirteen year old girl?? Wait, I think we got that answered already??


(Low blow??)

 

[Sherm Sticky]

It's really not. Temporary bans are very rarely issued without being preceded by multiple warnings via PM. And permanent bans are virtually never issued to those who haven't received at least 1-2 temporary bans already. I'm not sure what your experience has been on other message boards, but I find they all fall into one of two categories: (1) Wild West (virtually no moderation); or (2) Dictatorship (mods ban people inconsistently and arbitrarily). By internet standards, IE's Due Process is very hard to match. Hell, we cut repeat offenders a lot more slack than most foreign countries do.



Superficially, that's accurate, and we would all do well to remember the inherent frivolity of the forum and its reason for existing. But it's really more than that. In my totally unbiased opinion, IE is the best NDFB forum on the web (by a large margin), and it's also a rare online space where one can civilly debate things like politics, philosophy and religion. Many of us spend a lot of time contributing in various ways to IE, and that investment makes it more than just a stupid message board.

So I'd argue that this online space is pretty special, but its unique qualities aren't accidental; they're the product of: (1) a lot of very intelligent, funny and/or well-connected people who choose to contribute here rather than elsewhere; and (2) a team of volunteer moderators whose uncompensated time and effort prevents the board from devolving into a sh!t show.*

There are some posters here who choose to define their online personas as contrarians or rebels, and that's fine as far as it goes. There's nothing inherent in becoming a mod that entitles us to significant deference (which is a big reason why we try to be as transparent and democratic with these decisions as possible). But I get annoyed when someone implies that the Mods are petty tyrants ruining this board for honest ND fans. It's not an easy job, we receive no special perks for doing it, and IE's intermittent periods of lawlessness have proven that the quality of discourse around here is not improved by laissez-faire moderating. Perhaps one of our veterans will be kind enough to share some stories from the Bad Old Days.

See my first paragraph above. Perma-bans aren't handed out lightly, so we take it seriously when a member actively helps someone circumvent such a ban. Koon was either getting perma-banned himself, or receiving a long vacation. Most of us voted for the latter. He'll be back when the season starts.

*Since I spend far more time arguing philosophy, politics and religion than moderating, I'm referring mostly to my hard-working peers.

I received a temporary ban without any warning, no PM nothing. BS!


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[Irish#1]

What if you're a thirteen year old girl?? Wait, I think we got that answered already??


(Low blow??)

Leave my sex life out of this!

 

[Ironman8]

I received a temporary ban without any warning, no PM nothing. BS!


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From who? Did you deserve it?

 

[NDinL.A.]

You're entitled to that opinion and I know you're not the only one. I still feel it's unnecessary to express those opinions post-banning.

Piombino never hid his disdain for kuenjha. But, in fairness to him, he never (that I saw) went overboard with it like he did in this thread. I think it's better, personally, to do it post-banning so as not to create a feud like the one I had with kuenjha. Piombino bit his tongue so as to follow the rules, but when the guy is gone, who cares what is said?

I do see you point though, and it's a valid one, but I just disagree. Therefore, I'm right, and I win.

 

[NDinL.A.]

All bans are temporary.

Nuetered, irishpat, irishlew, and a slew of others are laughing at this.

Why? You can incite fights and then ban the people who you get fired up. Its a great gig!

Such b.s. and you know it. These mods are doing a phenomenal job.

Perhaps one of our veterans will be kind enough to share some stories from the Bad Old Days.

Man, it was an absolute mess. The "Intelligent Football Talk" was a joke. Guys like Acamp tried to keep it afloat but without an owner/administrator on site, it was impossible. So it delved into the Wild Wild West, and it was just unreadable. Then phammer took over, got BGIF, myself and a few others to mod, we slowly turned it around and saw the numbers grow and grow and grow. I'm still really happy with the work we did in those early days.

For me, I think I was a really good war-time mod, but a not-so-good-at-all peace-time mod. I'm happy I got out when I did because the guys that took over are really good and the site IMHO (especially after yesterday LOL) probably has never been better. We should be thanking them instead of trying to rip them for doing a great job.

What people don't get is that posters like keunjha make their jobs REALLY difficult. It's not just that he posts a million times and gets into constant altercations with a myriad of people (not just me, which is what he'd have you believe), but that he reports people all the time about them being mean to him. And so as a mod, you have to go back and read through the threads to see what was going on, and you come to find out the keunjha was just as guilty if not more. He loved to play the "I never get personal but they always attack me card", and then you'd look through his posts (and there are/were a TON of them, making it more time consuming) and he'd have a lot of posts where he got personal in his attacks. AND you end up having to go through threads, deleting a ton of stuff that got off-topic because keunhja took it there despite multiple warnings not to do so. He literally is a nightmare to moderate.

***And I say this as a guy who has caused problems on this site as well at times. But I am much more self-aware than he is, and I do a ton more research on things than he ever did before starting 40 post debates on topics. #JerianGrantisstilllaughingatkoon

 

[NDohio]

. Perhaps one of our veterans will be kind enough to share some stories from the Bad Old Days.

Being one of the older guys(but not a long time"member"), I can attest to the fact that the board was a nightmare. There were some really huge egos that were never wrong and they were going to fight to the death until they were right every time(they were often wrong). I lurked for years, and years, and years and refused to truly become a part of the board. I would visit try and find information about ND football and would search through to get what little I could. NDinLA is absolutely correct in the fact that he and his group did a great job of making the board bearable.

 

[pkt77242]

Piombino never hid his disdain for kuenjha. But, in fairness to him, he never (that I saw) went overboard with it like he did in this thread. I think it's better, personally, to do it post-banning so as not to create a feud like the one I had with kuenjha. Piombino bit his tongue so as to follow the rules, but when the guy is gone, who cares what is said?

I do see you point though, and it's a valid one, but I just disagree. Therefore, I'm right, and I win.

The truth is that Piombino is just as bad as Koon. As annoying as Koon can be sometime, Piombino following behind Koon and attacking many of Koon's posts (and Koon himself) is just as annoying if not more so.

People complain that Koon makes the board borderline unreadable but I would say that the people who feel that they need to question every post of Koon's is just as annoying and unreadable if not more so.

 

[Rack Em]

Piombino never hid his disdain for kuenjha. But, in fairness to him, he never (that I saw) went overboard with it like he did in this thread. I think it's better, personally, to do it post-banning so as not to create a feud like the one I had with kuenjha. Piombino bit his tongue so as to follow the rules, but when the guy is gone, who cares what is said?

I do see you point though, and it's a valid one, but I just disagree. Therefore, I'm right, and I win.

#lawyered

 

[NDinL.A.]

The truth is that Piombino is just as bad as Koon. As annoying as Koon can be sometime, Piombino following behind Koon and attacking many of Koon's posts (and Koon himself) is just as annoying if not more so.

People complain that Koon makes the board borderline unreadable but I would say that the people who feel that they need to question every post of Koon's is just as annoying and unreadable if not more so.

I'm honestly not sure if Piombino followed kuenjha around or not, so I can't speak to that.

I will say that any time I responded to kuenjha, he would complain that I was following him around (and always make it personal, even when I would only comment on his opinion). It was ridiculous. He posts 30-40 times a day, I post on average maybe twice a day and maybe once every two weeks it was a response to his post, but to him I was following him around all the time. Huh? If you don't want people to respond to your posts, don't say crazy things. Kuenjha liked to stir the pot and say crazy things, but didn't like when he got challenged on it.

Cheers.

 

[GATTACA!]

Says the guy with that signature. You hit the nail on the head. This is a chat room that is controlled by 8 or so members. Irishpat added nothing to the conversation, so he's gone. If you don't like it, go to UHND because I'm sure he'd be welcome there. This isn't a democracy. Also, you can say it's obviously a joke with your over the top #freeamerica rhetoric. But there are two problems with that: (1) We've had more bannings because the "totally joking" leader of this "totally sarcastic" movement has now broken the site rules pretty blatently to get around Pats permanent banning, so now we're down one consistent contributor for the offseason; (2) if "Free Pat" was a joke it was one that got old about a year ago. So you're either serious (which would be sad), or you won't stop making a joke that's funny to 5 people, two of which are banned from this site (also sad).

I come here to be entertained. Koon and Pat where/are both very entertaining IMO.

There were multiple people that mentioned freekoon before i said or did anything, so maybe we are all sad for joking around and talking about something topical going on in this community. More likely though i think you and many others take this shit too seriously. Pat said some things that people found offensive and koon broke the "rules", neither seems to be a reason that they shouldn't be able to post. Same goes for guys like Allgator, Bruinsteve, NJNP (who i personally couldn't stand), and others. Ignore the ones that annoy you and move on. The idea of banning someone from a message board is just absurd to me.