Banned Users

[Andy in Sactown]

An awful lot of support for the GC here...I still wanna know who shut it down (Both times!) We were damn careful to keep things respectable in there (Models only, no celebs, Playboy classy). It was locked down, only people that wanted in got access. I'm on four other football boards and they all have their own version of the GC, and most are far less tame than ours was (The Texas board had an ex-wifes/ex-gf nudes thread, a thread where they ranked Texas female inmates by mug shot, a Plenty of Fish conquests thread, the Fappening celeb stuff, nothing is off limits lol). I thought I recall someone saying a long time ago that whoever owned IE also owned BuckeyePlanet and they have their own version of the GC too which was also more risque than ours.

IIRC, the last time we got a response on this issue, was that the owner of the site was not comfortable with the GC and made an executive decision.

 

[ulukinatme]

IIRC, the last time we got a response on this issue, was that the owner of the site was not comfortable with the GC and made an executive decision.

Time to rise up and create a new IE, one that's free from tyrannical rule.
In all seriousness, it's something we should probably consider sometime in the future anyway, right? The board is kind of behind on maintenance and running on fairly old software at this point. We also have issues with doing things like updating the front page, right?

Not sure if anyone followed the ShaggyTexas/SurlyHorns saga, but a few months ago the ShaggyTexas admin/owner was sued over a business deal not related to the site (It had to do with the servers that ShaggyTexas ran off for a separate business venture). In essence it was a personal vendetta against the guy that ran the site, Blacklab. Rather than let the new ownership take over, all the active posters gave the new ownership a big "FU" and started a new board with all the updated bells and whistles along with a smooth new format. That might be something IE will need to consider (Jumping ship) if the ownership continues to be hands off and we lack administration powers to keep things current and fresh.

 

[drayer54]

Time to rise up and create a new IE, one that's free from tyrannical rule.
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Just start the thread and post away. They can't ban us all.

 

[Irish#1]

Time to rise up and create a new IE, one that's free from tyrannical rule.
In all seriousness, it's something we should probably consider sometime in the future anyway, right? The board is kind of behind on maintenance and running on fairly old software at this point. We also have issues with doing things like updating the front page, right?

Not sure if anyone followed the ShaggyTexas/SurlyHorns saga, but a few months ago the ShaggyTexas admin/owner was sued over a business deal not related to the site (It had to do with the servers that ShaggyTexas ran off for a separate business venture). In essence it was a personal vendetta against the guy that ran the site, Blacklab. Rather than let the new ownership take over, all the active posters gave the new ownership a big "FU" and started a new board with all the updated bells and whistles along with a smooth new format. That might be something IE will need to consider (Jumping ship) if the ownership continues to be hands off and we lack administration powers to keep things current and fresh.

+1 This board needs some serious upgrades. I passed along a few suggestions over a year ago, but never anything.

TBH...........I'm not sure why the big uproar with a few requesting their accounts be deleted because of the political thread. As BGIF stated, you can participate or not. If a poster wants to open their bag of four letter adjectives and call posters &*^#$ idiot or dumbass we have two options, give them a vacation and if they continue upon return, give them a perma-ban or you just ignore the poster. As I mentioned, I quit posting in the Trump thread, but continued to read because I found it quite entertaining.

 

[notredomer23]

Time to rise up and create a new IE, one that's free from tyrannical rule.
In all seriousness, it's something we should probably consider sometime in the future anyway, right? The board is kind of behind on maintenance and running on fairly old software at this point. We also have issues with doing things like updating the front page, right?

Just take over goldhelmet.com. There hasn't been a new post there in like a month.

 

[BeauBenken]

Time to rise up and create a new IE, one that's free from tyrannical rule.
In all seriousness, it's something we should probably consider sometime in the future anyway, right? The board is kind of behind on maintenance and running on fairly old software at this point. We also have issues with doing things like updating the front page, right?

Not sure if anyone followed the ShaggyTexas/SurlyHorns saga, but a few months ago the ShaggyTexas admin/owner was sued over a business deal not related to the site (It had to do with the servers that ShaggyTexas ran off for a separate business venture). In essence it was a personal vendetta against the guy that ran the site, Blacklab. Rather than let the new ownership take over, all the active posters gave the new ownership a big "FU" and started a new board with all the updated bells and whistles along with a smooth new format. That might be something IE will need to consider (Jumping ship) if the ownership continues to be hands off and we lack administration powers to keep things current and fresh.

Whoa, whoa, whoa man. I think I do a decent job of that. haha


As for us running on an older version of vbulletin, that might be a thing.

 

[ND NYC]

Damn, we sure lost some good posters.

Trolls win...IE loses.

 

[GowerND11]

Just take over goldhelmet.com. There hasn't been a new post there in like a month.

Eerie how that place looks like a ghost town version of here with the setup.

Whoa, whoa, whoa man. I think I do a decent job of that. haha


As for us running on an older version of vbulletin, that might be a thing.

Can you guys (Mods, Pham, etc.) contact the owner to get the upgrades?

 

[ulukinatme]

Whoa, whoa, whoa man. I think I do a decent job of that. haha


As for us running on an older version of vbulletin, that might be a thing.

That wasn't a knock on you, Beau dog. I thought in the past we ran into issues with permissions or something when updating the front page. That, or there were some kind of limitations because we were handcuffed. Bottom line we have a mysterious owner that seems rather disconnected from the community and there's certainly a lack of attention given the age of the software and everything. On the new Texas board they can do stuff like copy and paste a link right into the text box here and it automatically embeds the photo/video without having to type in tags, or hit a button, or get the special embed code from Youtube. It's both handy and saves time.

 

[ND NYC]

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[SonofOahu]

An awful lot of support for the GC here...I still wanna know who shut it down (Both times!) We were damn careful to keep things respectable in there (Models only, no celebs, Playboy classy). It was locked down, only people that wanted in got access. I'm on four other football boards and they all have their own version of the GC, and most are far less tame than ours was (The Texas board had an ex-wifes/ex-gf nudes thread, a thread where they ranked Texas female inmates by mug shot, a Plenty of Fish conquests thread, the Fappening celeb stuff, nothing is off limits lol). I thought I recall someone saying a long time ago that whoever owned IE also owned BuckeyePlanet and they have their own version of the GC too which was also more risque than ours.

That stuff sounds like waaaaay more fun.

 

[PLACforever]

#FREE BAMBI

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Time to rise up and create a new IE, one that's free from tyrannical rule.
In all seriousness, it's something we should probably consider sometime in the future anyway, right? The board is kind of behind on maintenance and running on fairly old software at this point. We also have issues with doing things like updating the front page, right?

Not sure if anyone followed the ShaggyTexas/SurlyHorns saga, but a few months ago the ShaggyTexas admin/owner was sued over a business deal not related to the site (It had to do with the servers that ShaggyTexas ran off for a separate business venture). In essence it was a personal vendetta against the guy that ran the site, Blacklab. Rather than let the new ownership take over, all the active posters gave the new ownership a big "FU" and started a new board with all the updated bells and whistles along with a smooth new format. That might be something IE will need to consider (Jumping ship) if the ownership continues to be hands off and we lack administration powers to keep things current and fresh.

As someone who has worked as a professional web developer, I can tell you that running IE on an older version of the vBulletin codebase isn't really the core issue. We are waaaay ahead of most fansites and it has nothing to do with the codebase the site runs on.

Look at the copyright at the footnote of the site. *cough*2013*cough*
Probably the last time a web developer worked on the site.

We're one of the marquis college football boards on the internet because of the database; that is to say the culmination of all the members, contributors of other fanbases that come for the goods, but stay because of the quality of information and discourse and of course, the outstanding moderation.

Uluk, your observations about the Bevo are potient because it exposes the nature of a traffic generating venture as large as IE to the realities of a site with this amount of traffic. I mentioned earlier in a reply that to the best of my recollection the Gentlemen's Club was shut down due to a unilateral decision by the ownership. Again, to the best of my recollection the owner viewed the site as a property and wasn't invested as a fan as much as a financial investment. The legal action in the Bevo fiasco is probably a good indicator of what the current owner was trying to avoid.

From my perspective the site may seem "dated" because the present owner views IE as an investment entity that is a known commodity. Server costs-- check. Paying a marginal fee to those that can fix any glarring IT related issues-- check. Return on Investment monthly-- check.

To the best of my knowledge, the moderators are all unpaid Irish fans, creating for the owner a self-sustaining entity that returns on his or her investment without intervention.

Not a bad investment.

What we don't have is a developer who updates the backend of the site and maintains the "little things." The owner is not paying anyone to update the site, technologically speaking or otherwise.

We're in a "cow seems healthy, still milking fine, everything is fine" situation.

But that's not what this site is about-- it's the community. And that is not something that is nearly as replaceable as some might infer.


P.S. Don't get on the mods for not updating the front page for a new recruit hours after a commit-- as expressed above, to my knowledge no one is getting paid to work on the site.

P.P.S. If I could double bold and underline the above, I would. It really strikes at the heart of some of the frustrations abound.

EDIT: If I were the owner, I'd worry a whole lot more about failing to monetize due to an ancient SEO platform / lack of a professional. Lot's of lost revenue from being archaic / not evolving to current search algorithims.

 

[zelezo vlk]

P.S. Don't get on the mods for not updating the front page for a new recruit hours after a commit-- as expressed above, to my knowledge no one is getting paid to work on the site.

Okay, I'll only get on Beau's case from now on

 

[dublinirish]

i am always surprized no member led community ever came from this site. Like if folks started collective pool to launch their own platform and then shared in the profits? The owner isnt even a ND fan right?

 

[IrishLion]

i am always surprized no member led community ever came from this site. Like if folks started collective pool to launch their own platform and then shared in the profits? The owner isnt even a ND fan right?

Everyone probably uses adblockers now, so it probably is moot at this point, but I'd be curious to know if our premium/Varsity Club members still see ads despite paying for the privilege of NOT seeing ads.

If that is a continuing issue, that might be worth telling the site owners to get their shit together.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Everyone probably uses adblockers now, so it probably is moot at this point, but I'd be curious to know if our premium/Varsity Club members still see ads despite paying for the privilege of NOT seeing ads.

If that is a continuing issue, that might be worth telling the site owners to get their shit together.

You're really hitting the nail on the head, Lion. Driving people to the site (whom by and large do not employ adblockers) from search results would result in an order of magnitude more income than us regulars.

We're not going to continue to be the best (income producing and otherwise) Irish board on the internet by being stagnant.

I don't know why I'm writing a playbook for.. whomever, but if one of the mods has a connection to ownership; this wouldn't be the worst update in the world for their property.

EDIT: If mods see fit, it would seem appropriate to move these few posts to a new thread. I may dable with metrics..

 

[ulukinatme]

As someone who has worked as a professional web developer, I can tell you that running IE on an older version of the vBulletin codebase isn't really the core issue. We are waaaay ahead of most fansites and it has nothing to do with the codebase the site runs on.

Look at the copyright at the footnote of the site. *cough*2013*cough*
Probably the last time a web developer worked on the site.

We're one of the marquis college football boards on the internet because of the database; that is to say the culmination of all the members, contributors of other fanbases that come for the goods, but stay because of the quality of information and discourse and of course, the outstanding moderation.

Uluk, your observations about the Bevo are potient because it exposes the nature of a traffic generating venture as large as IE to the realities of a site with this amount of traffic. I mentioned earlier in a reply that to the best of my recollection the Gentlemen's Club was shut down due to a unilateral decision by the ownership. Again, to the best of my recollection the owner viewed the site as a property and wasn't invested as a fan as much as a financial investment. The legal action in the Bevo fiasco is probably a good indicator of what the current owner was trying to avoid.

From my perspective the site may seem "dated" because the present owner views IE as an investment entity that is a known commodity. Server costs-- check. Paying a marginal fee to those that can fix any glarring IT related issues-- check. Return on Investment monthly-- check.

To the best of my knowledge, the moderators are all unpaid Irish fans, creating for the owner a self-sustaining entity that returns on his or her investment without intervention.

Not a bad investment.

What we don't have is a developer who updates the backend of the site and maintains the "little things." The owner is not paying anyone to update the site, technologically speaking or otherwise.

We're in a "cow seems healthy, still milking fine, everything is fine" situation.

But that's not what this site is about-- it's the community. And that is not something that is nearly as replaceable as some might infer.


P.S. Don't get on the mods for not updating the front page for a new recruit hours after a commit-- as expressed above, to my knowledge no one is getting paid to work on the site.

P.P.S. If I could double bold and underline the above, I would. It really strikes at the heart of some the frustrations abound.

EDIT: If I were the owner, I'd worry a whole lot more about failing to monetize due to an ancient SEO platform / lack of a professional. Lot's of lost revenue from being archaic / not evolving to current search algorithims.

You misunderstand where I'm coming from. Again, the mention of the Front Page has nothing to do with the current admins or moderators. You guys do a fantastic job! I merely brought up the topic because it seems like in the past we'vee often been handcuffed from doing certain things to the site because we either don't have the permissions or we're strapped for resources. My beef is with the invisible ownership that seems disinterested with keeping the site fresh and the lack of technical updates to keep us current. I personally don't even GO to the front page, my bookmark takes me right to User CP and I browse from there.

As far as database, that point is moot. The community is what makes the site. While it's nice to be able to browse some old threads from time to time, how often do users really go back and reminisce? Who has time to really do that? I thought when ShaggyTexas/Bevo was taken over that it would be the end and everyone would disperse, but that community is tight and they picked up on SurlyHorns and it's like nothing changed. They created pretty much all their popular threads from scratch, and it's like nothing missed a beat. The old site is a ghost town, and the new owner that thought he was going to get the traffic gets nothing.

Coincidentally, the legal action that caused the change of ownership had nothing to do with Shaggy's version of the GC, the legal action was due to a personal vendetta basically. The server that housed ShaggyTexas (In addition to LandThieves) was originally part of a separate joint venture that blacklab (Admin and owner) had gone into with an investor, Kevin Morgan. I don't remember what it was, something tech based. Basically their joint venture faltered if I recall and Kevin basically looked to acquire the server and assets as restitution or something. Forgive me, but this was back in March. If you're curious, the saga was detailed on a Texas radio show, and there's some pretty funny anecdotes. The deposition from the court case was particularly entertaining (It includes Charlie Weis' Fupa and a lawyer actually asks blacklab to define Fupa for him in court lol)

Here's the radio snippet...if we were running on more current code I could just post the link and it would embed
http://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/420962973-hornfm-midday-trey-bk-march-27th-2018-hour-3.mp3

Here's the site so you guys don't have to download the .mp3: https://soundcloud.com/hornfm/midday-trey-bk-march-27th-2018-hour-3 The deposition stories start around 9:30

 

[Andy in Sactown]

You misunderstand where I'm coming from. Again, the mention of the Front Page has nothing to do with the current admins or moderators. You guys do a fantastic job! I merely brought up the topic because it seems like in the past we'vee often been handcuffed from doing certain things to the site because we either don't have the permissions or we're strapped for resources. My beef is with the invisible ownership that seems disinterested with keeping the site fresh and the lack of technical updates to keep us current. I personally don't even GO to the front page, my bookmark takes me right to User CP and I browse from there.

As far as database, that point is moot. The community is what makes the site. While it's nice to be able to browse some old threads from time to time, how often do users really go back and reminisce? Who has time to really do that? I thought when ShaggyTexas/Bevo was taken over that it would be the end and everyone would disperse, but that community is tight and they picked up on SurlyHorns and it's like nothing changed. They created pretty much all their popular threads from scratch, and it's like nothing missed a beat. The old site is a ghost town, and the new owner that thought he was going to get the traffic gets nothing.

Coincidentally, the legal action that caused the change of ownership had nothing to do with Shaggy's version of the GC, it was a personal vendetta basically. The server that housed ShaggyTexas (In addition to LandThieves) was originally part of a separate joint venture that blacklab (Admin and owner) had gone into with an investor, Kevin Morgan. I don't remember what it was, something tech based. Basically their joint venture faltered if I recall and Kevin basically looked to acquire the server and assets as restitution or something. Forgive me, but this was back in March. If you're curious, the saga was detailed on a Texas radio show, and there's some pretty funny anecdotes. The deposition from the court case was particularly entertaining (It includes Charlie Weis' Fupa and a lawyer actually asks blacklab to define Fupa for him in court lol)

http://feeds.soundcloud.com/stream/420962973-hornfm-midday-trey-bk-march-27th-2018-hour-3.mp3

I think I do have a semblance of where you were coming from, I merely tempered my response to the ownership structure of IE. The Bevo court transcripts are priceless.

That's not to say it couldn't be done, nor that it would or would not be successful. But you have to understand mine is the perspective of the person that would have to implement it, which is, quite frankly a bit more than most realize.

Little surprised by your response, Uluk-- thought we were simpatico in meaning. I agreed with you on almost everything, just pontificated on some on the finer points from my perspective. Never said anything about the front page-- that's a formatting issue you should take up with..

 

[IrishLax]

I think I do have a semblance of where you were coming from, I merely tempered my response to the ownership structure of IE. The Bevo court transcripts are priceless.

That's not to say it couldn't be done, nor that it would be successful. But you have to understand mine is the perspective of the person that would have to implement it, which is, quite frankly a bit more than most realize.

Little surprised by your response, Uluk-- thought we were simpatico in meaning. I agreed with you on almost everything, just pontificated on some on the finer points from my perspective.

The "tree fiddy" segment is comedic gold...

 

[ulukinatme]

I think I do have a semblance of where you were coming from, I merely tempered my response to the ownership structure of IE. The Bevo court transcripts are priceless.

That's not to say it couldn't be done, nor that it would be successful. But you have to understand mine is the perspective of the person that would have to implement it, which is, quite frankly a bit more than most realize.

Little surprised by your response, Uluk-- thought we were simpatico in meaning. I agreed with you on almost everything, just pontificated on some on the finer points from my perspective.

I just saw your "PS" section and I didn't want what I was trying to say to get misrepresented as me being ungrateful for ya'lls mod work. You guys are the best in the biz! It's definitely a thankless job, but we very much appreciate everything you guys do.

As far as implementing a new server/setup, it certainly would be a big task initially (But you could take over the revenue stream ). If I was more technically sound on the web side of things I would assist with such a venture, but my HTML is rusty and my focus was always in Java/C++ anyway. It's probably just a pipe dream at this point in time, but I do think we should consider the possibility of creating a new site if the present ownership refuses to take a more vested interest in keeping us current.

 

[Irish YJ]

i am always surprized no member led community ever came from this site. Like if folks started collective pool to launch their own platform and then shared in the profits? The owner isnt even a ND fan right?

Yup, surprised some of the mods didn't. The reason, IMO, that IE is great, is the modding and the discipline to structure which the mods regulate as well. Mods need the dollar billz yo. Herding all the cats is tough business.

 

[loomis41973]

Yup, surprised some of the mods didn't. The reason, IMO, that IE is great, is the modding and the discipline to structure which the mods regulate as well. Mods need the dollar billz yo. Herding all the cats is tough business.

Used to be a paid Mod at a sportsbetting site. Paid positions are rare now with all the fan boys and people with little else to do on most sites.

 

[Irish YJ]

Used to be a paid Mod at a sportsbetting site. Paid positions are rare now with all the fan boys and people with little else to do on most sites.

I can understand the willingness to mod for love of the topic/team. Just would be a bit uninspiring knowing the owner is not a fan (if that's the case). It would be awesome if site profit went to charity or to ND causes. Hell, even to ND bag men lol.

 

[BGIF]

Everyone probably uses adblockers now, so it probably is moot at this point, but I'd be curious to know if our premium/Varsity Club members still see ads despite paying for the privilege of NOT seeing ads.

If that is a continuing issue, that might be worth telling the site owners to get their shit together.

I'm a Varsity Club member and don't see ads.

 

[ACamp1900]

I see all kinds of depraved shit at the bottom on each page... again dating sites, hot girls, random jacked up memes... fun times.

 

[BGIF]

I see all kinds of depraved shit at the bottom on each page... again dating sites, hot girls, random jacked up memes... fun times.

You see those with your computer unplugged.

 

[ulukinatme]

I can understand the willingness to mod for love of the topic/team. Just would be a bit uninspiring knowing the owner is not a fan (if that's the case). It would be awesome if site profit went to charity or to ND causes. Hell, even to ND bag men lol.

I don't know how much ShaggyTexas/SurlyHorns were pulling in, but more or less it sounds like the traffic and ad revenue was paying for the server rack and maybe a smidge extra now and then when it was busy.

 

[SonofOahu]

I see all kinds of depraved shit at the bottom on each page... again dating sites, hot girls, random jacked up memes... fun times.

Personally, I love the chinese dating-site ads that appear in the banner.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Personally, I love the chinese dating-site ads that appear in the banner.

We're all shocked.

Edit: I shouldn't post after being up for almost 24 hours. I'd have sworn it was ACamp who posted about loving the Chinese dating sites and I thought I was replying to him.