AP Top 25 (ND #11)

[NDdomer2]

Coaches Poll is just for media purposes and everyone in football knows that. AP poll is a little less biased. Neither makes a damm. The big bowl poll is composed of a smaller set of pretty hard working evaluators who feel a lot of pressure to get it right --- WAY different atmosphere in the room, and eyeball-to-eyeball with one another. In 2015 they were VERY enamored of ND, which irritated outsiders. It was pretty clear that we were going to be "in" without a late slip.

But even if you look at the AP poll, we're in amazingly good shape. The #1 and #2 teams must play one another to have a chance to stay up there, and the #3 and #4 teams have to do the same --- that's TWO of the frontrunners who will lose. If we keep winning --- and everyone knows we have no cupcakes scheduled --- that sounds like we ascend to #3. This is, in fact, what I expect if WE do our part.

and then rematch with Bama, yay!

 

[MNIrishman]

Yawn. Wake me up November 1st.

You woke yet?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

AP Top 25 (ND #5)

AP Top 25 (ND #5)

5 IN COACHES POLL

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa/football/polls/coaches-poll/2017/11/

 

[Pointman02]

5 IN COACHES POLL

NCAA Football - Amway Coaches Poll | USA Today Sports

Maybe the most ridiculous part of this is Miami at 6, behind Wisconsin, Clemson, and ND. I'll accept the thought that being undefeated deserves credit to justify Wisconsin over 1 loss teams, but then Miami is undefeated and has now actually beaten a ranked team unlike Wisconsin.

 

[dwshade]

Only one poll that matters now. AP and coaches polls are meaningless. In fact they ought to get rid of the coaches poll. Everyone knows these coaches don't have time to watch other games.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Up to 3 in AP

 

[IrishSteelhead]

AP Top 25 (ND #5)

AP Top 25 (ND #5)

Only one poll that matters now. AP and coaches polls are meaningless. In fact they ought to get rid of the coaches poll. Everyone knows these coaches don't have time to watch other games.

I disagree. The polls will still matter for resume purposes. ND right now has wins over 2 teams ranked higher than Oklahomas best win. That shits gonna prove to be important, trust me.

 

[DONTH8]

The only thing I have against both pills is OSU being 11th. They got blown out in 2 of their games, and beat a Penn State team that is kind of being exposed as overrated by 1. I just think if we were in that position, people wouldbhave dropped us to 15ish.

 

[dwshade]

I disagree. The polls will still matter for resume purposes. ND right now has wins over 2 teams ranked higher than Oklahomas best win. That shits gonna prove to be important, trust me.

The committee has their own rankings and that's all they look at. Their own top 25. They couldn't care less what the AP thinks or what the coaches think. They already proved that with their first poll. In fact if you notice the AP poll has adjusted their top five to be just like what the committee came up with. Exception being Bama and Georgia switching places. So the committee rankings influenced the AP rankings.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

AP Top 25 (ND #3)

AP Top 25 (ND #3)

The committee has their own rankings and that's all they look at. Their own top 25. They couldn't care less what the AP thinks or what the coaches think. They already proved that with their first poll. In fact if you notice the AP poll has adjusted their top five to be just like what the committee came up with. Exception being Bama and Georgia switching places. So the committee rankings influenced the AP rankings.

You dont think the committee puts together their poll after digesting all available information, including existing polls? This isnt a jury locked in a hotel room isolated from the outside world. The other polls matter IMO, but agree with you not nearly as much as they once did.

 

[dwshade]

You dont think the committee puts together their poll after digesting all available information, including existing polls? This isnt a jury locked in a hotel room isolated from the outside world. The other polls matter IMO, but agree with you not nearly as much as they once did.

I honestly don't think they paid one bit of attention to the polls when they came up with their first rankings. Why would they need them? They had already watched two months of the season with their own eyes. They didn't care what a bunch of writers thought.

 

[GowerND11]

I honestly don't think they paid one bit of attention to the polls when they came up with their first rankings. Why would they need them? They had already watched two months of the season with their own eyes. They didn't care what a bunch of writers thought.

Really? You don't think the committee looks at the AP poll, at least before their first poll release, and say, "Hmm, well it seems that the AP has team XYZ ranked at 3. Let's see why they think that."

 

[Pointman02]

Really? You don't think the committee looks at the AP poll, at least before their first poll release, and say, "Hmm, well it seems that the AP has team XYZ ranked at 3. Let's see why they think that."

I think the members of the committee have too much confidence in their own evaluations to be skewed by outside, likely less informed opinion. I'd bet they come in with a concept of which teams are in different tiers as of the first CFP ranking and start discussing from there how many quality wins each team has, how strong were those wins, etc. In the case of this year, they refined that with some head to head results and you get UGA at 1 and ND at 3, as well as the weaker undefeated teams further down, in contrast to both AP and Coaches polls at that point.

They even try not to rely on their own rankings from the week prior, reassessing each teams' body of work every week, which is why you get some pretty big changes near the top even when a team doesn't lose.

 

[BGIF]

Really? You don't think the committee looks at the AP poll, at least before their first poll release, and say, "Hmm, well it seems that the AP has team XYZ ranked at 3. Let's see why they think that."

I don't know whether committee members do or don't look at the AP poll or others BUT if they did they're no going to learn the reason why XYZ was ranked at 3 as there is no rationale provided by the pollsters only the ranking by total score. An individual reporter might explain his logic in a column or blog but all 61 pollsters don't do that.

Then again some pollsters automatically vote last year's winner #1 until they lose regardless of the quality players that have left the that team. And when they do they lose they drop them by the unwritten 7 slots. If you place high preseason it takes awhile for an underachieving team (See FSU) to exit the poll. Some others vote for the teams with the softest schedule as they believe they have a better chance of surviving the carnage.

The pollsters have a variety of reasons for ranking teams preseason and during the season and the poll doesn't reveal their reasoning.

 

[Old Man Mike]

The Committee views themselves (pretty much rightly) as elite football people whose brains function and who view the entire data available within their own view of it ... and they know that the "amateur" polls are BS dependent upon large dollops of bias and ignorance. I'd bet a very large amount of real cash that the actual rankings by the Committee depend right around zero on anything those other polls say.

I've participated in analogous evaluation situations in my teaching career, and you have no pride nor sense of duty if you depend on predigested pseudo-knowledge. You do your own work. If you're out of line with THE OTHERS ON YOUR EVALUATION COMMITTEE, THEN you reassess your analysis and honestly listen to THOSE people.

p.s. In the football situation I could see people taking the AP Top-Thirty or so as a working group (rather than 120 teams), then discussing this sifting with their colleagues, adding a few and working with that as if all teams were then equal (which is what I bet is actually done) --- but such a pre-sifting would be done one time and the total sifted pile then treated originally as equals.

 

[irishog77]

I can pretty much guarantee at least 6 or 7 of the members aren't watching all the games or studying film or anything like that. They're getting their info from other committee members, getting their info from polls or box scores, or getting their info from select individuals either close to the committee, or from their own circle. Those 6 or 7 members have jobs being AD's and President's of schools. Zero chance any of those schools allow them to take 3+ month hiatuses from the jobs they are being paid a lot of money to do for those institutions.

 

[Fbolt]

I can pretty much guarantee...

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just messing

 

[stlnd01]

I can pretty much guarantee at least 6 or 7 of the members aren't watching all the games or studying film or anything like that. They're getting their info from other committee members, getting their info from polls or box scores, or getting their info from select individuals either close to the committee, or from their own circle. Those 6 or 7 members have jobs being AD's and President's of schools. Zero chance any of those schools allow them to take 3+ month hiatuses from the jobs they are being paid a lot of money to do for those institutions.

The committee consists of:
One university president
Five sitting ADs
Seven retired/former coaches/ADs/journalists

College Football Playoff

More than half the people on the committee are retired. Hopefully they have time for this. Most of the rest are athletic directors at P5 programs (including Clemson and Ohio State!?!) so, while, yeah, they have other responsibilities, their biggest responsibility is college football.
Also, this isn't a full-time job for three months, it's a meeting in Dallas once a week for six weeks. Also, they don't have to watch every game every week to have informed opinions about the top ten - which is all that really matters here. They also get all the relevant games streaming on special iPads or whatever (this has been written about).

Point is, I think these guys are able to give it a lot more thought than voters in the coaches poll, or even the AP poll. If they aren't, they should let someone else vote.

Also: The fact that they ranked Georgia #1 when every poll all season has had Alabama #1 (and that they put Notre Dame at 3 instead of 5 or 8) certainly suggests they value their own opinions and insight more than that of the traditional polls.

 

[ARALOU]

No more Condy Rice? Isn't it grand that vwe can argue about where we should be in the top 5, CFB playoffs, etc.?

 

[irishog77]

The committee consists of:
One university president
Five sitting ADs
Seven retired/former coaches/ADs/journalists

College Football Playoff

More than half the people on the committee are retired. Hopefully they have time for this. Most of the rest are athletic directors at P5 programs (including Clemson and Ohio State!?!) so, while, yeah, they have other responsibilities, their biggest responsibility is college football.
Also, this isn't a full-time job for three months, it's a meeting in Dallas once a week for six weeks. Also, they don't have to watch every game every week to have informed opinions about the top ten - which is all that really matters here. They also get all the relevant games streaming on special iPads or whatever (this has been written about).

Point is, I think these guys are able to give it a lot more thought than voters in the coaches poll, or even the AP poll. If they aren't, they should let someone else vote.

Also: The fact that they ranked Georgia #1 when every poll all season has had Alabama #1 (and that they put Notre Dame at 3 instead of 5 or 8) certainly suggests they value their own opinions and insight more than that of the traditional polls.

How do they get opinions then if they're not watching all the games? They're relying on other people to give them a whittled down list then. And if the their focus is the Top 10 (which I'm sure it probably is), then why even bother with the other 15, or how do they come up with that list? Again, they're relying on other people to give them their info.

 

[SonofOahu]

Interesting. We only fell to #9 in the AP. Miami up to #2.

 

[connor_in]

Interesting. We only fell to #9 in the AP. Miami up to #2.

What did you think we would go to?

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Gonna be pissed if ohio state ends up stealing the 4th spot they'll have a good win over Michigan and Wisconsin in the bowl game

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Gonna be pissed if ohio state ends up stealing the 4th spot they'll have a good win over Michigan and Wisconsin in the bowl game

Yeah this is gonna drive me crazy. OSU was dead in the water too.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Honestly though a two loss Clemson team or 1 loss Miami team should get in over ohio state

 

[BeatSC]

I guess beating ND still has some cache

 

[wizards8507]

I guess beating ND still has some cache

Cachet, not cache. Cache (pronounced "cash") refers to a collection or a hoard, as in a cache of weapons. Cachet (pronounced "ca-shay") refers to gravitas or prestige.

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[SonofOahu]

What did you think we would go to?

I would have said as high as 10, as low as 12. I thought the magnitude of the loss would have moved us more towards 12. The AP-article that my newspaper carried all but said that Miami dug a trench in their field and buried us in it.

That wasn't far from the truth, actually.

 

[SonofOahu]

Cachet, not cache. Cache (pronounced "cash") refers to a collection or a hoard, as in a cache of weapons. Cachet (pronounced "ca-shay") refers to gravitas or prestige.

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[BeatSC]

Cachet, not cache. Cache (pronounced "cash") refers to a collection or a hoard, as in a cache of weapons. Cachet (pronounced "ca-shay") refers to gravitas or prestige.

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