All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[GATTACA!]

ACADEMY AWARD WINNER TAIKA WAITITI TO DIRECT AND CO-WRITE NEW STAR WARS FEATURE FILM FOR THEATRICAL RELEASE; OSCAR NOMINEE KRYSTY WILSON-CAIRNS TO CO-WRITE SCREENPLAY WITH WAITITI

What a home run hire.

 

[IrishLion]

ACADEMY AWARD WINNER TAIKA WAITITI TO DIRECT AND CO-WRITE NEW STAR WARS FEATURE FILM FOR THEATRICAL RELEASE; OSCAR NOMINEE KRYSTY WILSON-CAIRNS TO CO-WRITE SCREENPLAY WITH WAITITI

What a home run hire.

The best thing to happen to Star Wars since Slave Leia.

 

[ulukinatme]

The best thing to happen to Star Wars since Slave Leia.

I don't know about his other work, but he did direct the last episode of Mandalorian I guess. I would have said Favreau is the best thing to happen to Star Wars since Slave Leia personally.

 

[ACamp1900]

It’s like digging up all those ET Atari cartridges hoping to redact it and make something coherent out of it,...

 

[SonofOahu]

I don't know about his other work, but he did direct the last episode of Mandalorian I guess. I would have said Favreau is the best thing to happen to Star Wars since Slave Leia personally.

Bruh, Thor Ragnarok? What We Do In the Shadows? Jojo Rabbit?

 

[ulukinatme]

Bruh, Thor Ragnarok? What We Do In the Shadows? Jojo Rabbit?

In addition to the Mandalorian, Favreau gave us Iron Man (Kicking off the MCU), the holiday classic Elf, and was in Rudy (Among other things). Your opinion is invalid.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Ah people still get care about Star Wars? I thought we agreed not to do that anymore

 

[greyhammer90]

Ah people still get care about Star Wars? I thought we agreed not to do that anymore

Been here since they retconned the extended universe. It's safe and warm here. I got to laugh at tRoSky instead of being upset.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Been here since they retconned the extended universe. It's safe and warm here. I got to laugh at tRoSky instead of being upset.

Yeah I was not excited for RoSky due to not liking TFA, but still went to go see it in theaters with my mom. Walked out just amazed at what I watched (in a bad way).

 

[ulukinatme]

Rise of Skywalker was kind of mess, but I don't blame Abrams for that. I blame Disney for not having a cohesive plan, and Rian Johnson for leaving Abrams with no direction following Last Jedi. Johnson killed off Snoke, leaving no antagonist for Rey to face in the culmination. Kylo was there, but it was obvious from day 1 he was going to have a redemption arc, so he couldn't be Rey's final obstacle. Likewise Hux was never going to cut it. You can't just build up a antagonist at the very end of a trilogy and make it work, the audience isn't invested, so they needed Palpatine.

Among other things Johnson fucked up was Rey's backstory by making her a child of "nobody," and he killed the possible romance angle with Finn and Rey by creating another one that many fans didn't care for. Last Jedi was such a colossal fuck up from a trilogy storytelling standpoint it forced Abrams to go to the well and resurrect Palpatine so Rey had an established villain to face at the end. So, while RoSky was lightning paced and messy, there was little other option to fix the mistakes from Last Jedi.

 

[greyhammer90]

Rise of Skywalker was kind of mess, but I don't blame Abrams for that. I blame Disney for not having a cohesive plan, and Rian Johnson for leaving Abrams with no direction following Last Jedi. Johnson killed off Snoke, leaving no antagonist for Rey to face in the culmination. Kylo was there, but it was obvious from day 1 he was going to have a redemption arc, so he couldn't be Rey's final obstacle. Likewise Hux was never going to cut it. You can't just build up a antagonist at the very end of a trilogy and make it work, the audience isn't invested, so they needed Palpatine.

Among other things Johnson fucked up was Rey's backstory by making her a child of "nobody," and he killed the possible romance angle with Finn and Rey by creating another one that many fans didn't care for. Last Jedi was such a colossal fuck up from a trilogy storytelling standpoint it forced Abrams to go to the well and resurrect Palpatine so Rey had an established villain to face at the end. So, while RoSky was lightning paced and messy, there was little other option to fix the mistakes from Last Jedi.

I think it's funny that you say there was no plan, but hate Johnson so much for not following the plan.

"There was no antagonist at the end of tLJ, except for the guy who is the antagonist, but he was always going to end up being a good guy so it's dumb that he would be written as an antagonist."

Kylo being an eventual good guy was certain, if Star Wars was going to be safe and dumb.

Acting like there was nothing to work with at the end of TLJ going forward is such a cop out for Abrams. I don't care that Rich Evans said it, it's just not true. At the end of TLJ, we have: a bad guy who's way more interesting than Snoke ever was; a good guy who has recieved the same amount of training as Luke at the end of Empire and who isn't shackled to some eye roll origin story; and a resistance that is down to 50 or so people and is truly desperate. There's a great conclusion to be written from that. What would be the worst thing for the 3rd movie would be to hard correct back into being a soft reboot of the OT and retconning the whole 2nd movie.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think it's funny that you say there was no plan, but hate Johnson so much for not following the plan.

"There was no antagonist at the end of tLJ, except for the guy who is the antagonist, but he was always going to end up being a good guy so it's dumb that he would be written as an antagonist."

Kylo being an eventual good guy was certain, if Star Wars was going to be safe and dumb.

Acting like there was nothing to work with at the end of TLJ going forward is such a cop out for Abrams. I don't care that Rich Evans said it, it's just not true. At the end of TLJ, we have: a bad guy who's way more interesting than Snoke ever was; a good guy who has recieved the same amount of training as Luke at the end of Empire and who isn't shackled to some eye roll origin story; and a resistance that is down to 50 or so people and is truly desperate. There's a great conclusion to be written from that. What would be the worst thing for the 3rd movie would be to hard correct back into being a soft reboot of the OT and retconning the whole 2nd movie.

I didn't read anyone else's review, but it was pretty obvious that killing Snoke was a boneheaded move when Kylo had a redemption arc coming. It left a huge power vacuum. C'mon, Stevie Wonder could see from the beginning of this trilogy that Kylo was going to turn. It was always Disney's plan, the seed was planted early. I'm not even sure Kylo could have worked as the main antagonist of RoSky. Even after killing his father his conflicted nature lingered, a limp dick antagonist doesn't make for much of an obstacle. After all, Rey had gotten the upper hand on Kylo in the two previous movies already. She needed someone more powerful than her to provide a challenge for her to overcome, that was never going to be Kylo. Snoke had been built for that role, but he was trashed too soon. It was unpopular, but Palpatine was the logical choice without having to build up a complete nobody.

 

[IrishLion]

I'll go to my grave arguing that 'Rey as a Nobody' was the best part of the new trilogy's story.

(I'm not salty that JJ did away with it, btw. I thought the movie was entertaining for having to go completely away from what tLJ did.)

JJ didn't even need to blow that idea up... just have Palpatine as a Force Ghost tied to the ruins of the Death Star. His power is so great that even as a Force Ghost, he's upsetting the balance of the Force.

Rey's origin as a creation of the Force would mirror Anakin's origin. And Darth Vader/Anakin's sacrifice didn't need to be meaningless, because you could have tied Kylo Ren's redemption to a flashback of Vader, or even gone the full mile and had Anakin's Force Ghost there for his 'healing,' which would have tied beautifully to the reason he turned evil in the first place, and now comes full circle as he watches Rey heal his grandson.

 

[IrishLion]

I will also say that the Sith temple under the giant floating rock with the lightning everywhere was metal as hell, especially with the robed Sith worshipers piling into the bleachers for 'Prayer and Sacrifice' hour, and the giant Sith statues lining the halls and shit.

Very cool visuals.

I would love a show that was nothing but giant spaces that are dark and mysterious and full of Sith artifacts.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'll go to my grave arguing that 'Rey as a Nobody' was the best part of the new trilogy's story.

I wasn't completely against the idea of Rey being a nobody, but they did that whole angle where Rey was certain she would see her parents again someday. It's almost like they were teasing something in Force Awakens, then Johnson just kind of killed it by sayin' "Na, bums, forget it." It's like...why even tease it and then can the idea? It's the same thing with Snoke, he was introduced in Force Awakens and built up, then he was pretty easily defeated in Johnson's tale and the character was wasted. Disney really should have had some continuity in the story, too many cooks spoiled the broth.

Years ago after Force Awakens I floated the idea for the ultimate swerve: Rey was the love child of Luke and Leia, a fling that occurred while Han was frozen. The love child creates a rift that Han and Leia eventually can't mend, leading to their split years later. Luke decides to exile himself away from Han and Leia to give them space, while dropping Rey off on Jakku for her protection. It's obviously not an angle Disney would have ever pursued, but it would have been the Empire Strikes Back swerve that no one would have predicted. It would have explained a lot of plot questions from Force Awakens too, and it would have been a better than the mess we got in Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker with Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Years ago after Force Awakens I floated the idea for the ultimate swerve: Rey was the love child of Luke and Leia, a fling that occurred while Han was frozen. The love child creates a rift that Han and Leia eventually can't mend, leading to their split years later. Luke decides to exile himself away from Han and Leia to give them space, while dropping Rey off on Jakku for her protection. It's obviously not an angle Disney would have ever pursued, but it would have been the Empire Strikes Back swerve that no one would have predicted. It would have explained a lot of plot questions from Force Awakens too, and it would have been a better than the mess we got in Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker with Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter.

Yeah I think Twincest would have sparked a bigger outcry than one we saw from TLJ...

 

[ulukinatme]

Yeah I think Twincest would have sparked a bigger outcry than one we saw from TLJ...

Hey, I'm not arguing, I was just trying to envision what the craziest swerve could be for the remaining films. The "I am your father" equivalent if you will. I didn't seriously think it was going to happen, but it still would have been better than what we got.

 

[calvegas04]

No one talks Star Wars anymore on here? Just finished another bad ass season of the Mandalorian

 

[Irish YJ]

No one talks Star Wars anymore on here? Just finished another bad ass season of the Mandalorian

It's been high on my list for a while now. I was going to do a complete chronological rewatch of all the SWs stuff. I'm on TESB, and stalled. Hoping to get back to it over the next two weeks if I can get through my to-do lists. EVERYONE says it's great.

 

[greyhammer90]

No one talks Star Wars anymore on here? Just finished another bad ass season of the Mandalorian

Low key worried about Wiz that a season of Mando, an election, and an undefeated regular season came and went and we haven't heard a peep from him. He wouldn't be the first person to log off permanently without giving notice, but he's one that I wouldn't expect to. Hope he and his family are healthy.

 

[fightingirish26]

I prefer Vader's hallway scene from Rogue One but Luke's was very badass as well. Seeing nothing but the green glow of his lightsaber through the fog was sick.

 

[BilboBaggins]

The Mandalorian is very nice and I'm glad the post-credit scene suggests they're going in a different direction. I was afraid they were going to milk this like it was The Walking Dead.

This series just makes me loathe Kathleen Kennedy, and Disney's approval to ruin Star Wars with the sequel trilogy, even more. The Mandalorian just shows how easy it is for Star Wars to be great. The plot is vanilla and the characters are one-dimensional....but it's not trying to not be Star Wars.

 

[IrishLax]

That better not be the last we see of baby yoda

 

[IrishLax]

Also, Patty Jenkins directing Rogue Squadron has potential to be the best Star Wars film ever.

 

[GATTACA!]

That better not be the last we see of baby yoda

Not a chance. Grogu prints money for Disney.

Thought that was an awesome ending to a fantastic season. Very intrigued to see where they go moving forward? Din going to recapture Madalore?

 

[calvegas04]

That better not be the last we see of baby yoda

I think we will see a slightly older Grogu later on but maybe not in the next season.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

The Mandalorian is very nice and I'm glad the post-credit scene suggests they're going in a different direction. I was afraid they were going to milk this like it was The Walking Dead.

This series just makes me loathe Kathleen Kennedy, and Disney's approval to ruin Star Wars with the sequel trilogy, even more. The Mandalorian just shows how easy it is for Star Wars to be great. The plot is vanilla and the characters are one-dimensions....but it's not trying to not be Star Wars.

Rocket knights and laser swords. It's not complicated.

Amazing that Jon Favreau is the only person at Disney who understands Star Wars. Defenestrate Kennedy and give him anything he wants to take over for her.

 

[IrishLion]

I didn’t think it would’ve been possible to put an OG/main character in ‘The Mandalorian’ without making it cheesy and/or a ridiculous plot device... and Favreau pulled it off with TWO of the most beloved OG characters.

Boba Fett was used perfectly as a supporting character (and also to set up a Boba Fett limited series).

More importantly, we got one of the primary Star Wars Wet Dreams, seeing Luke go full-on overpowered badass... AND IT DIDN’T TAKE AWAY FROM THE STORY AT ALL.

The whole time Luke is getting closer to them, I’m worried about (1) is this really Luke? and (2) oh god, Din Djarin has to say goodbye to Grogu in a minute.

Exceptionally well handled. Give Favreau three or four trilogies of his own, please.

Lastly, I kept expecting Din to say a final goodbye by pulling out the shifter from the Razor Crest and having Grogu take it via the Force before the door closed.

But I guess Din gets to keep it as a reminder of Grogu, and as a sign that “The Child” portion of the narrative is over for Grogu. Or else maybe he needs to keep it to give to Grogu at some point in a future episode.

 

[tussin]

I wonder how they square this Grogu training under Luke plot with the sequel trilogy.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I wonder how they square this Grogu training under Luke plot with the sequel trilogy.

Hoping they'll just retconn the whole damn thing and pretend it never happened.