All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[Cackalacky]

I'll try and dig up the interview I heard it in, but I'm almost positive I remember Edwards saying it was Kennedy that told him he need to kill them off.

There is a Forbes article that says prett much exactly what you said. I was very sardonic in my earlier post invoking some Spaceballs but we are saying the same thing. Disney allowed the story to unfold as it needed to not how we think Disney would have done it in the past.

 

[Cackalacky]

If you dont already chrckout NewRockstars youtube channel. They do indepth breakdowns and have very unique information of eastereggs and references.

 

[calvegas04]

It was from an Empire interview, I can't find the original link but here is what he said. The interview also wasn't released until after the movie came out.

'They're not going to let us do that': Gareth Edwards talks Rogue One's original ending and reshoots 

 

[IrishLion]

Just thought I'd drop this here, in addition to what I posted in the "What are you Reading" thread, as it seems kind of like this might become the "Everything Star Wars" thread as the franchise grows.

If any of you have young ones or are expecting young ones (or just need to have everything Star Wars), Disney is now making a Star Wars collection of Little Golden Books.

I had what seemed like hundreds of Little Golden Books when I was young, so I picked these up at Barnes and Noble with a gift card I had. It feels cool to combine a part of my childhood with something I love that I can share with my son:

 

[greyhammer90]

Why?

Lots of reasons. Felicity Jones was awful, just terrible. I actually thought "oh no" at the end when she gave her speech and I realized they wanted me to be emotionally moved. I cared zero about any of the characters, I watched the movie this weekend and don't remember any of their names. Constant fan service (too many to name) was distracting at best and cringe inducing at worst ("Just watch yourself" guy gets the prize for actually causing me to facepalm).

The only thing I'll commend the script writers for was that they managed to have a blind Chinese force-monk and it didn't come off as overly cliché. That's actually kind of impressive. But not coming across cliché doesn't make it good either.

Action was good spectacle but again, I don't care about any character involved or the story so it's like watching a kid play with his expensive Star Wars action figures at that point.

I went in to it with pretty low expectations and thought it was completely and totally forgettable.

 

[IrishLion]

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I see someone members.

I thought it was good in it's own right. It's calls to Ep IV were actually nice and directly tied into the plot in a meaningful way by necessity, whereas Ep VII had a little too much fan-service.

'Member Berries were right about JJ Abrams and Episode VII; I don't think it was nearly the same with Rogue One.

 

[greyhammer90]

I thought it was good in it's own right. It's calls to Ep IV were actually nice and directly tied into the plot in a meaningful way by necessity, whereas Ep VII had a little too much fan-service.

'Member Berries were right about JJ Abrams and Episode VII; I don't think it was nearly the same with Rogue One.

Things that were completely needless to the plot or could have easily been changed to not recycle fanboy material, but were almost certainly left in to garner fanboy love:

Blue Milk
Yavin 4 Rebel Base with long lingering camera angles of the guys scanning incoming ships in towers
Grand Moff Tarkin - distracting plastic doll version
"Just watch yourself" guy and walrus/butt face
General Dodonna
Mon Mothma
Bail Organa
Leia Organa - distracting plastic doll version
C-3P0
R2-D2
"I've got a bad feeling about this."
"It's a trap"
AT-ATs
T-15 reference (hurr durr so clever)
Holochess
Rouge Squadron Red and Gold leaders - distracting CGI plastic doll versions
References to Antilles

Plus so many more.

I would also put Vader down as a needless callback, because he has no effect on the story at all. His speaking scene was pointless and should have been left on the cutting room floor. I would also say that his corridor scene was a great example of whoring out. Would it have been classier and likely more effectively menacing to show Vader's ships coming in to clean up the rebel rabble without actually showing Vader? Yeah probably. Would that have caused fanboys to go "OMG sooo cool guise"? Probably not.

*EDIT* I would be remiss if I didn't commend Mads Mikkelsen on his performance. He stood out as a particularly convincing and at times seemed like the only person who was aware this wasn't a spoof of Star Wars but was, in fact, a real movie.

 

[IrishLion]

Blue Milk

Thought it was a cool easter egg to start the movie, but that's just opinion

Yavin 4 Rebel Base with long lingering camera angles of the guys scanning incoming ships in towers

This is literally what their base looks like and how it works. Should they have changed the way their base operates, or perhaps not show the Rebel base, in a movie about Rebels, because "new movie"?

Grand Moff Tarkin

I actually thought he was fine, much better than Leia

"Just watch yourself" guy and walrus/butt face

Unneccessary, I agree, but it didn't bother me

General Dodonna

Didn't catch him

Mon Mothma

Uh, kind of essential to the Rebel base and operations. She's 100% necessary.

Bail Organa

Again, an essential member of the Rebellion, as well as for the whole "stolen plans" part of the story, as well as his connection to Alderran, the first target of DS1. Seems like a good connection to include in the film.

Leia Organa - distracting plastic doll version

Agreed. Would have been much more effective to just show the door opening and then they cut out with her back still to the camera.

C-3P0/R2-D2

Unneeded, but they kind of fit the "Goofball" aspect of the series that everyone loves just by being included... plus, they have a tradition of being the only characters in every movie, right?

"I've got a bad feeling about this."

Same as above... that's just the mythos of Star Wars. It's literally in every other Star Wars film, so why not this one?

"It's a trap"

Didn't catch this

AT-ATs

Uh, duh? The enforcers of the Empire, why would they not be stationed to defend a key installation that is really only susceptible to ground attack?

T-15 reference (hurr durr so clever)

Didn't catch this

Holochess

Agree, unneeded. Is it the only hobby in the Galaxy?

Rouge Squadron Red and Gold leaders - distracting CGI plastic doll versions

Thought they looked fine

References to Antilles

Again, a name shared by two key members of the Rebellion, why would his name being mentioned be unneccessary? He's the only X-Wing pilot, besides Luke, to make it out of every major space engagement alive.

*EDIT* I would be remiss if I didn't commend Mads Mikkelsen on his performance. He stood out as a particularly convincing and at times seemed like the only person who was aware this wasn't a spoof of Star Wars but was, in fact, a real movie.

Gonna ignore the thing about Vader, because I thought it was awesome, even though it DID seem like an entirely separate entity from the rest of the film (but I thought it worked fine, with the kind-of hectic ending and how they show the plans getting passed through just ahead of the carnage).

Mikkelsen was awesome, and I agree was the best performance of the film.

Overall, I guess I'm just confused at what you would want from a Star Wars film. I understand an aversion to too many callbacks, especially after Ep VII, but they were basically essential in this case, considering the close connection that this film shares with Ep IV. I agree on the small ones, but it's mischarcterizing things to act like your whole list were pointless callbacks.

Plus, some of the smaller ones that you take issue with kind of tie in to the overall light and goofy feel of the original films, which you were speaking out for the other day in reference to Leia's fate in the upcoming films. So you want the light and goofy inclusions, but just not in Rogue One?

 

[ulukinatme]

From what we're told, Antilles is the Smith of the Star Wars universe. We have a Wedge and a Bail, but they're not related to each other.

 

[wizards8507]

Things that were completely needless to the plot or could have easily been changed to not recycle fanboy material, but were almost certainly left in to garner fanboy love:

Blue Milk
Yavin 4 Rebel Base with long lingering camera angles of the guys scanning incoming ships in towers
Grand Moff Tarkin - distracting plastic doll version
"Just watch yourself" guy and walrus/butt face
General Dodonna
Mon Mothma
Bail Organa
Leia Organa - distracting plastic doll version
C-3P0
R2-D2
"I've got a bad feeling about this."
"It's a trap"
AT-ATs
T-15 reference (hurr durr so clever)
Holochess
Rouge Squadron Red and Gold leaders - distracting CGI plastic doll versions
References to Antilles

Plus so many more.

I would also put Vader down as a needless callback, because he has no effect on the story at all. His speaking scene was pointless and should have been left on the cutting room floor. I would also say that his corridor scene was a great example of whoring out. Would it have been classier and likely more effectively menacing to show Vader's ships coming in to clean up the rebel rabble without actually showing Vader? Yeah probably. Would that have caused fanboys to go "OMG sooo cool guise"? Probably not.

*EDIT* I would be remiss if I didn't commend Mads Mikkelsen on his performance. He stood out as a particularly convincing and at times seemed like the only person who was aware this wasn't a spoof of Star Wars but was, in fact, a real movie.

You absolutely cannot make a film about the Alliance stealing the plans to the Death Star and not include Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, or Wilhuff Tarkin. You just can't. If they had made the film without one or all of those characters, the "where the hell was Mon Mothma!?" questions would have been even worse. The only one that felt forced to me was Artoo and Threepio.

From what we're told, Antilles is the Smith of the Star Wars universe. We have a Wedge and a Bail, but they're not related to each other.

Yes. This is not a reference to Wedge, it's the Raymus Antilles who's the captain of the Tantive IV.

 

[IrishLax]

Things that were completely needless to the plot or could have easily been changed to not recycle fanboy material, but were almost certainly left in to garner fanboy love:

Blue Milk
Yavin 4 Rebel Base with long lingering camera angles of the guys scanning incoming ships in towers
Grand Moff Tarkin - distracting plastic doll version
"Just watch yourself" guy and walrus/butt face
General Dodonna
Mon Mothma
Bail Organa
Leia Organa - distracting plastic doll version
C-3P0
R2-D2
"I've got a bad feeling about this."
"It's a trap"
AT-ATs
T-15 reference (hurr durr so clever)
Holochess
Rouge Squadron Red and Gold leaders - distracting CGI plastic doll versions
References to Antilles

Plus so many more.

I would also put Vader down as a needless callback, because he has no effect on the story at all. His speaking scene was pointless and should have been left on the cutting room floor. I would also say that his corridor scene was a great example of whoring out. Would it have been classier and likely more effectively menacing to show Vader's ships coming in to clean up the rebel rabble without actually showing Vader? Yeah probably. Would that have caused fanboys to go "OMG sooo cool guise"? Probably not.

*EDIT* I would be remiss if I didn't commend Mads Mikkelsen on his performance. He stood out as a particularly convincing and at times seemed like the only person who was aware this wasn't a spoof of Star Wars but was, in fact, a real movie.

This is the Colin Cowherd of Rogue One takes.

For starters, I've seen the movies with multiple people who aren't "Star Wars" people. None -- literally, none -- knew Tarkin was CGI. Which means it sure as hell wasn't "distracting" and his character is absolutely central to the story. So this comment alone would be enough to consider it hot garbage.

And the Vader scene at the end with them trying to pass off the data was one of the best singular movie scenes of 2016. If you think otherwise, you're a Communist.

 

[IrishLion]

Yes. This is not a reference to Wedge, it's the Raymus Antilles who's the captain of the Tantive IV.

I thought it was a reference to the Pilot, which would also not be an unnecessary call-back, IMO.

Dude was one of the best pilots the Rebellion had, so of course his name is getting called out over the loud speaker haha

 

[wizards8507]

I thought it was a reference to the Pilot, which would also not be an unnecessary call-back, IMO.

Dude was one of the best pilots the Rebellion had, so of course his name is getting called out over the loud speaker haha

I believe they said "Captain" Antilles. Wedge wasn't promoted to Captain until sometime after Jedi.

"Our last master was Captain Antilles, but with what we've been through, this little R2 unit has become a bit eccentric."
-C-3PO to Luke Skywalker in Ep. IV: ANH

 

[wizards8507]

Just thought I'd drop this here, in addition to what I posted in the "What are you Reading" thread, as it seems kind of like this might become the "Everything Star Wars" thread as the franchise grows.

If any of you have young ones or are expecting young ones (or just need to have everything Star Wars), Disney is now making a Star Wars collection of Little Golden Books.

My daughter's new favorite:

I asked her what her favorite animal was the other day and she said "Ackbar."

 

[gkIrish]

Things that were completely needless to the plot or could have easily been changed to not recycle fanboy material, but were almost certainly left in to garner fanboy love:

Blue Milk
Yavin 4 Rebel Base with long lingering camera angles of the guys scanning incoming ships in towers
Grand Moff Tarkin - distracting plastic doll version
"Just watch yourself" guy and walrus/butt face
General Dodonna
Mon Mothma
Bail Organa
Leia Organa - distracting plastic doll version
C-3P0
R2-D2
"I've got a bad feeling about this."
"It's a trap"
AT-ATs
T-15 reference (hurr durr so clever)
Holochess
Rouge Squadron Red and Gold leaders - distracting CGI plastic doll versions
References to Antilles

Plus so many more.

I would also put Vader down as a needless callback, because he has no effect on the story at all. His speaking scene was pointless and should have been left on the cutting room floor. I would also say that his corridor scene was a great example of whoring out. Would it have been classier and likely more effectively menacing to show Vader's ships coming in to clean up the rebel rabble without actually showing Vader? Yeah probably. Would that have caused fanboys to go "OMG sooo cool guise"? Probably not.

*EDIT* I would be remiss if I didn't commend Mads Mikkelsen on his performance. He stood out as a particularly convincing and at times seemed like the only person who was aware this wasn't a spoof of Star Wars but was, in fact, a real movie.

This is the Colin Cowherd of Rogue One takes.

For starters, I've seen the movies with multiple people who aren't "Star Wars" people. None -- literally, none -- knew Tarkin was CGI. Which means it sure as hell wasn't "distracting" and his character is absolutely central to the story. So this comment alone would be enough to consider it hot garbage.

And the Vader scene at the end with them trying to pass off the data was one of the best singular movie scenes of 2016. If you think otherwise, you're a Communist.

Yeah I agree with Lax here. Grey, you honestly just sound like you don't like Star Wars in general based on this post. The Easter eggs did not distract from the overall movie and half of the characters you mentioned were completely essential to the plot. It's almost as if you are ignoring the fact that it was a prequel.

 

[greyhammer90]

This is the Colin Cowherd of Rogue One takes.

For starters, I've seen the movies with multiple people who aren't "Star Wars" people. None -- literally, none -- knew Tarkin was CGI. Which means it sure as hell wasn't "distracting" and his character is absolutely central to the story. So this comment alone would be enough to consider it hot garbage.

I'm not saying no one else is allowed to like it, I just thought the movie was blah and frustrating. I didn't like it. It made me feel dumber. Also saying that Tarkin was central to the story so I shouldn't dock points for putting a distracting CGI thing in the middle of the movie is missing the entire point. Grand Moff Tarkin did not need to be central to the story. The writers purposefully made him central to the story. Why? We had the engineer douche to be the villain. He could've done everything Grand Moff Tarkin did throughout the entire picture. And don't even pretend the whole "oh no the villain who created the death star is going to have to turn over the keys" plot was (1) interesting, (2) well done or (3) necessary for the story. Grand Moff Tarkin served no purpose that another new (gasp) character couldn't have.

And the Vader scene at the end with them trying to pass off the data was one of the best singular movie scenes of 2016. If you think otherwise, you're a Communist.

I bet when Darth Maul pulled out his double lightsaber you were all like "WOOOOOOOO"

Yeah I agree with Lax here. Grey, you honestly just sound like you don't like Star Wars in general based on this post. The Easter eggs did not distract from the overall movie and half of the characters you mentioned were completely essential to the plot. It's almost as if you are ignoring the fact that it was a prequel.

Yes. I hate Star Wars.

 

[greyhammer90]

You absolutely cannot make a film about the Alliance stealing the plans to the Death Star and not include Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, or Wilhuff Tarkin. You just can't. If they had made the film without one or all of those characters, the "where the hell was Mon Mothma!?" questions would have been even worse. The only one that felt forced to me was Artoo and Threepio.


Yes. This is not a reference to Wedge, it's the Raymus Antilles who's the captain of the Tantive IV.

Yes. Because Mon Mothma and Bail Organa stole so many scenes with their witty dialogue and general presence in A New Hope.

 

[wizards8507]

Yes. Because Mon Mothma and Bail Organa stole so many scenes with their witty dialogue and general presence in A New Hope.

Our POV character in A New Hope was Luke Skywalker. We didn't know shit about the Rebel Alliance and we weren't supposed to because Luke didn't. Our POV characters in Rogue One are inside the Rebel Alliance, meaning the Alliance High Command is much more important to the story.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I'm not saying no one else is allowed to like it, I just thought the movie was blah and frustrating. I didn't like it. It made me feel dumber. Also saying that Tarkin was central to the story so I shouldn't dock points for putting a distracting CGI thing in the middle of the movie is missing the entire point. Grand Moff Tarkin did not need to be central to the story. The writers purposefully made him central to the story. Why? We had the engineer douche to be the villain. He could've done everything Grand Moff Tarkin did throughout the entire picture. And don't even pretend the whole "oh no the villain who created the death star is going to have to turn over the keys" plot was (1) interesting, (2) well done or (3) necessary for the story. Grand Moff Tarkin served no purpose that another new (gasp) character couldn't have.



I bet when Darth Maul pulled out his double lightsaber you were all like "WOOOOOOOO"



Yes. I hate Star Wars.

It seemed necessary as an explanation of the second use of the Death Star which was, in turn, kind of necessary as New Hope begins with a hero vacuum.

 

[wizards8507]

I'm not saying no one else is allowed to like it, I just thought the movie was blah and frustrating. I didn't like it. It made me feel dumber. Also saying that Tarkin was central to the story so I shouldn't dock points for putting a distracting CGI thing in the middle of the movie is missing the entire point. Grand Moff Tarkin did not need to be central to the story. The writers purposefully made him central to the story. Why? We had the engineer douche to be the villain. He could've done everything Grand Moff Tarkin did throughout the entire picture. And don't even pretend the whole "oh no the villain who created the death star is going to have to turn over the keys" plot was (1) interesting, (2) well done or (3) necessary for the story. Grand Moff Tarkin served no purpose that another new (gasp) character couldn't have.

I bet when Darth Maul pulled out his double lightsaber you were all like "WOOOOOOOO"

Yes. I hate Star Wars.

Tarkin wasn't necessary to the story but he was necessary to Krennic's character. Krennic would not have been believable as the big shot villain because we know Tarkin, Tagge, Vader, etc. are all out there in the galaxy. Tarkin served the purpose of showing that Krennic was no more than a wannabe gangster with no real power.

 

[greyhammer90]

Our POV character in A New Hope was Luke Skywalker. We didn't know shit about the Rebel Alliance and we weren't supposed to because Luke didn't. Our POV characters in Rogue One are inside the Rebel Alliance, meaning the Alliance High Command is much more important to the story.

Ah, I'm sure it was the POV of the central characters that caused the director to place Mon Mothma at Yavin IV when she's never been seen there before. I bet they ran into the executive boardroom and said "We know this will serve as a massive blow to our fanbase, but we're putting Mon Mothma in our movie because the POV of the rebels is such that she would be present when deciding not to steal the plans." And I bet the producers were like "Well, no Star Wars fan likes that Mon Mothma lady, but you guys have a unique vision and its our job to protect that. So we'll take the blowback." It's amazing given all the goodwill they used up that they were able to also talk them into including a Darth Vader fight scene. Artistic integrity running rampant over there.

 

[greyhammer90]

It seemed necessary as an explanation of the second use of the Death Star which was, in turn, kind of necessary as New Hope begins with a hero vacuum.

No one else could've possibly flipped that switch eh? Even assuming that, which is a nice fat assumption and ignores the fact that they are the writers and can do whatever they want, the time to have Tarkin enter the movie was then. Have his silhouette show up then. Or make a reference to his character coming aboard around that time. Or make the death star not shoot, have star destroyers bombard the area, and then have us understand that a high level official will be put in charge of the Death Star because its "the ultimate power in the universe."

 

[gkIrish]

Ah, I'm sure it was the POV of the central characters that caused the director to place Mon Mothma at Yavin IV when she's never been seen there before. I bet they ran into the executive boardroom and said "We know this will serve as a massive blow to our fanbase, but we're putting Mon Mothma in our movie because the POV of the rebels is such that she would be present when deciding not to steal the plans." And I bet the producers were like "Well, no Star Wars fan likes that Mon Mothma lady, but you guys have a unique vision and its our job to protect that. So we'll take the blowback." It's amazing given all the goodwill they used up that they were able to talk them into including a Darth Vader fight scene. Artistic integrity running rampant over there.

So in a movie that you

cared zero about any of the characters

you wanted them to take time to introduce even more new characters (and thereby spend less time on the handful of new ones they didn't have a lot of time to develop) rather than use familiar faces?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

No one else could've possibly flipped that switch eh? Even assuming that, which is a nice fat assumption and ignores the fact that they are the writers and can do whatever they want, the time to have Tarkin enter the movie was then. Have his silhouette show up then. Or make a reference to his character coming aboard around that time. Or make the death star not shoot, have star destroyers bombard the area, and then have us understand that a high level official will be put in charge of the Death Star because its "the ultimate power in the universe."

Well, I don't think there's a good, purely rational explanation for the decision so adding in some personal animus as a motive helped it fit.

I agree Tarkin was overused. I disagree with your assessment of the the Tarkin/Krennic rivalry and its place within the larger story.

 

[greyhammer90]

So in a movie that you cared zero about the characters you wanted them to take time to introduce even more new characters (and thereby spend less time on the handful of new ones they didn't have a lot of time to develop) rather than use familiar faces?

I mean I was under the assumption that they could write better characters? Maybe if they spent less time saying "isn't Grand Moff Tarkin cool? Remember him when you were 8?" and more time exploring who everyone is then I would've developed some attachment to one of them.

I'm not a huge fan of the Force Awakens but I actually felt a form of connection with Rey, Finn, and Kylo. (And hey, I saw the movie and remembered their names!)

 

[greyhammer90]

Well, I don't think there's a good, purely rational explanation for the decision so adding in some personal animus as a motive helped it fit.

I agree Tarkin was overused. I disagree with your assessment of the the Tarkin/Krennic rivalry and its place within the larger story.

That's cool man. I just didn't like it. I'm just surprised at how gushing the praise has been since this movie felt really bad to me. My first thought leaving the theater was "My fiancé is going to want to watch that.... and she's going to want me to go with her.... Crap."

 

[greyhammer90]

Tarkin wasn't necessary to the story but he was necessary to Krennic's character. Krennic would not have been believable as the big shot villain because we know Tarkin, Tagge, Vader, etc. are all out there in the galaxy. Tarkin served the purpose of showing that Krennic was no more than a wannabe gangster with no real power.

I would've thought the fact that he was manipulated by his engineer, failed to realize he was being played by the rebellion, was generally incompetent, and in the end got incinerated because literally no one cares he's on the planet would've done that.

Plus if that white cape doesn't say compensating I don't know what does.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

That's cool man. I just didn't like it. I'm just surprised at how gushing the praise has been since this movie felt really bad to me. My first thought leaving the theater was "My fiancé is going to want to watch that.... and she's going to want me to go with her.... Crap."

I can see why someone wouldn't like it but I kind of expected a lot of the flaws you pointed out; so they didn't bother me so much. I mean, Vader's presence is definitely shoehorned into the movie but I thought his last scene was pretty effective even though he wasn't on a space motorcycle and didn't have any sweet flame decals on his helmet. They're not gonna pass up the opportunity to have the greatest villain in movie history doing some villain things.

 

[greyhammer90]

I hope I didn't come off too aggressive at anyone who disagreed with me. I enjoy the arguments and I think sometimes I come off as being more serious than I am. At the end of the day, I didn't enjoy the movie very much.

At the end of the day, I watch a Star Wars movie hoping to feel like this:
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Rouge One felt a little closer to this:
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(Though admittedly not that bad.)

 

[IrishLax]

I'm not saying no one else is allowed to like it, I just thought the movie was blah and frustrating. I didn't like it. It made me feel dumber. Also saying that Tarkin was central to the story so I shouldn't dock points for putting a distracting CGI thing in the middle of the movie is missing the entire point. Grand Moff Tarkin did not need to be central to the story. The writers purposefully made him central to the story. Why? We had the engineer douche to be the villain. He could've done everything Grand Moff Tarkin did throughout the entire picture. And don't even pretend the whole "oh no the villain who created the death star is going to have to turn over the keys" plot was (1) interesting, (2) well done or (3) necessary for the story. Grand Moff Tarkin served no purpose that another new (gasp) character couldn't have.

Colin... hate to break it to you, but writers choose in every screenplay who is purposely "central to the story." There are many movies that can still get from Point A to Point B regardless of the actions of a character... that does invalidate them. This is common sense. For example, in Raiders of the Lost Ark Indiana Jones actually has no effect on anything that happens. With or without his existence, the Nazis would find the Ark, open it, and die.

But that doesn't mean Indiana Jones is "completely needless" to the movie, amirite?

To the rest of Pinko bullshit, your contradictions belie the flaws in your arguments. You "don't care about any new characters" but Grand Moff Tarkin should've been replaced by Irrelevant New Guy X? Seems legit.

It was interesting, well done, and central to the actions of Krennic's character. You're just going full Koon.

I bet when Darth Maul pulled out his double lightsaber you were all like "WOOOOOOOO"