'15 FL OLB Te'Von Coney (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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Shumate was a top 5 safety coming out of HS. As a junior, he's playing meh football, so that's a disappointment. He's not really on any NFL draft boards right now.

I still rue the day Prosise was moved to WR. Could've been special. Also, Baratti's injuries are a kick in the nuts that kid would've been great if he had been able to develop.
 

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Shumate was a top 5 safety coming out of HS. As a junior, he's playing meh football, so that's a disappointment. He's not really on any NFL draft boards right now.

Would agree Shumate hasn't lived up to his potential. Yet.
 

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I think it's fair to say that 1st semester freshmen have a lot of adjustments to make from their previous day-to-day life. That being said, I think it's borderline ridiculous to give that much credence for poor on-feild performance. If you want to assert that overall, FR and SO's don't perfrom as well as JR and SR's, then yes, I will absolutely agree with that. I don't think any rational person will say otherwise.



But there are a ton of examples of things like: Missouri having a bunch of TX players, Louisville (under Strong) having a lot of FL players, Stanford recruiting nationally, high school players from FL, TX, and CA going to every program in the country, early enrollee's, kids within several hours of home, parents coming to visit, family and friends coming to visit, cell phones, email, text messaging, Skype, students choosing a school because they want to be away from home, student life on campuses that make kids feel like campus is their new home, individual persoanlity traits, etc.



Can we blame an acne breakout or a girl not returning a text message as a reason for a player performing bad? Sure, we can do that as well. We can use a million reasons to explain bad play. But a million of them aren't defensible reasons. After a while, they become excuses.
 

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Shumate was a top 5 safety coming out of HS. As a junior, he's playing meh football, so that's a disappointment. He's not really on any NFL draft boards right now.

I still rue the day Prosise was moved to WR. Could've been special. Also, Baratti's injuries are a kick in the nuts that kid would've been great if he had been able to develop.
Other than Scout he was not a top 5 safety (Note 247 was just getting off the ground this time). I'm not sure what you were expecting from him considering these rankings:

Rivals: 4* overall #113 #8 safety
scout: 4* overall #55 #4 safety
ESPN: 4* overall N/A #14 safety
247: 4* overall #103 #6 safety
 

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I think it's fair to say that 1st semester freshmen have a lot of adjustments to make from their previous day-to-day life. That being said, I think it's borderline ridiculous to give that much credence for poor on-feild performance. If you want to assert that overall, FR and SO's don't perfrom as well as JR and SR's, then yes, I will absolutely agree with that. I don't think any rational person will say otherwise.



But there are a ton of examples of things like: Missouri having a bunch of TX players, Louisville (under Strong) having a lot of FL players, Stanford recruiting nationally, high school players from FL, TX, and CA going to every program in the country, early enrollee's, kids within several hours of home, parents coming to visit, family and friends coming to visit, cell phones, email, text messaging, Skype, students choosing a school because they want to be away from home, student life on campuses that make kids feel like campus is their new home, individual persoanlity traits, etc.



Can we blame an acne breakout or a girl not returning a text message as a reason for a player performing bad? Sure, we can do that as well. We can use a million reasons to explain bad play. But a million of them aren't defensible reasons. After a while, they become excuses.

I'm thinking a period or two might have helped with that paragraph. Sure these programs have out of state kids. You think none of them hit that wall? You might have Skype, cell phones family visit, etc., but that doesn't make it easier. A kid might get off a call or Skype with the family and think, "man I miss them". Family visits and when the leave the kid could be wishing they could have stayed longer. You can ignore these subjective facts if you want, but I think your being short sighted. I put five kids through college. I can tell you even non-athletes hit the wall at one time or another. Is it the only reason a kid may not be performing as we think he should? No, but I think it can play a bigger part than you believe it does.
 

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Other than Scout he was not a top 5 safety (Note 247 was just getting off the ground this time). I'm not sure what you were expecting from him considering these rankings:

Rivals: 4* overall #113 #8 safety
scout: 4* overall #55 #4 safety
ESPN: 4* overall N/A #14 safety
247: 4* overall #103 #6 safety

He was the industry composite #5 safety.... soooooo.... yes, he was a top 5 safety.

Elijah Shumate at Don Bosco Prep

#87 overall, #5 safety when you aggregate all the rankings. And 247 was well established in 2012. 2012 was arguably their peak in terms of out-performing the rest of the industry. 2011 is when they were still finding their footing a little.
 

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I'm thinking a period or two might have helped with that paragraph. Sure these programs have out of state kids. You think none of them hit that wall? You might have Skype, cell phones family visit, etc., but that doesn't make it easier. A kid might get off a call or Skype with the family and think, "man I miss them". Family visits and when the leave the kid could be wishing they could have stayed longer. You can ignore these subjective facts if you want, but I think your being short sighted. I put five kids through college. I can tell you even non-athletes hit the wall at one time or another. Is it the only reason a kid may not be performing as we think he should? No, but I think it can play a bigger part than you believe it does.

I haven't ignored this at all. I've acknowledged it 2 separate times.

Go to any other message board or fan base in the country though and see how many of them are legitimately using homesickness as a reason for poor play. Or better yet, call into a national radio show or start a national movement proclaiming how much tougher it is being homesick at ND compared to other schools and see how well that goes over.
 

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I haven't ignored this at all. I've acknowledged it 2 separate times.

Go to any other message board or fan base in the country though and see how many of them are legitimately using homesickness as a reason for poor play. Or better yet, call into a national radio show or start a national movement proclaiming how much tougher it is being homesick at ND compared to other schools and see how well that goes over.

I never said it was homesickness. I said it was the "wall" which includes heavy class load, football practice, film study, homework, homesickness, learning to set and maintain a schedule without a parent reminding you to get out of bed, etc. I know you've acknowledged it, but then you pretty much dismiss it as a non-factor or only a small percentage and doesn't have a real impact on a kids performance. At least that's the way I interpret it. I never said it was tougher being a player at ND, but the academics probably make it tougher than most. Sure players at other schools go through this and each individual handles it differently. To think other schools and players don't go through this would be short sighted. I'm simply saying that hitting the wall is a bigger factor than you believe it is.

Let's just shake hands and agree to disagree.
 
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I never said it was homesickness. I said it was the "wall" which includes heavy class load, football practice, film study, homework, homesickness, learning to set and maintain a schedule without a parent reminding you to get out of bed, etc. I know you've acknowledged it, but then you pretty much dismiss it as a non-factor or only a small percentage and doesn't have a real impact on a kids performance. At least that's the way I interpret it. I never said it was tougher being a player at ND, but the academics probably make it tougher than most. Sure players at other schools go through this and each individual handles it differently. To think other schools and players don't go through this would be short sighted. I'm simply saying that hitting the wall is a bigger factor than you believe it is.

Let's just shake hands and agree to disagree.


Yeah, I get all that. Hell, I lived that. I think we're mostly in agreement.

My main issue is using it as a reason for poor play. I mean, yeah, it can be a factor. But it's a factor for every single college freshman in the country, athlete or not. But that's life and part of maturing. Poor play by ND is caused by a lot of other things before homesickness enters into the fold.


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He was the industry composite #5 safety.... soooooo.... yes, he was a top 5 safety.

Elijah Shumate at Don Bosco Prep

#87 overall, #5 safety when you aggregate all the rankings. And 247 was well established in 2012. 2012 was arguably their peak in terms of out-performing the rest of the industry. 2011 is when they were still finding their footing a little.
I thought 2012 they were just starting their way.

Scout (who stinks) is the reason he was rated so high. Look at Rivals and ESPN and even 247, he was not a top 100 player.
 

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Also:

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I thought 2012 they were just starting their way.

Scout (who stinks) is the reason he was rated so high. Look at Rivals and ESPN and even 247, he was not a top 100 player.

That's just not true... ESPN is the outlier, not Scout, if you're speaking statistically. 247 actually had him as the #2 safety for almost the entire year and then dropped him a bit towards the end after he measured in sub 6' at the AA game.

247 had him as the 6th safety (#103), Rivals as the 8th (#113), Scout as the 4th (#55). Those are all all relatively close.... 4th, 6th, and 8th. They're also very close to his overall industry composite rating. They're consistent in their evaluation. Whereas 14th and outside the top 300 is NOT close to those ratings. So it's not Scout pumping him up, it's actually ESPN holding him back.

Rivals and 247 rated him the equivalent of a "95" and his composite ended up being right around that number. He was an industry composite top 5 player. He was a top 8 player by all the three most respected services. So it's very reasonable to "expect" him to be performing like a top 10 or top 5 safety in his year... which he is not.
 

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Shumate's a strong safety, not a free, and while he certainly needs to be able to cover deep, deep coverage doesn't appear to be his strong suit. He tackles well and hits like a truck. Dude's having a good but not great year, certainly wouldn't consider him one of the biggest disappointments on the team.
I know Collinsworth is "healthy" now, but was surprised Shumate didn't seem to play more on Saturday. We needed someone who can stop a RB in his tracks.

I agree with most of what you said (he has been very good against the run and against short passes), but I just find it frustrating that there has probably been almost ten times this year that I have seen a WR get deeper then him when it looked like he either had a deep half or deep third, and luckily for us a number of those passes were missed by the opposing QB.
 

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That's just not true... ESPN is the outlier, not Scout, if you're speaking statistically. 247 actually had him as the #2 safety for almost the entire year and then dropped him a bit towards the end after he measured in sub 6' at the AA game.

247 had him as the 6th safety (#103), Rivals as the 8th (#113), Scout as the 4th (#55). Those are all all relatively close.... 4th, 6th, and 8th. They're also very close to his overall industry composite rating. They're consistent in their evaluation. Whereas 14th and outside the top 300 is NOT close to those ratings. So it's not Scout pumping him up, it's actually ESPN holding him back.

Rivals and 247 rated him the equivalent of a "95" and his composite ended up being right around that number. He was an industry composite top 5 player. He was a top 8 player by all the three most respected services. So it's very reasonable to "expect" him to be performing like a top 10 or top 5 safety in his year... which he is not.
I guess I just never viewed him as a top 5 or 10 safety. Not like Redfield, who I viewed as a top tier safety who would at least be picked within the first two rounds of the NFL draft.

So far with Shumate you can say that ESPN was correct and the other three services misjudged.

But, personally I'm pleased with his play this year.
 

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so, how about that Coney character? Any news out of his camp since watching the UM/FSU game?
 

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“I don’t think I am taking anymore visits,” he explained. “Actually, I doubt I take anymore visits. I am pretty solidly, 100 percent committed to Notre Dame.

I don't beleive he'll flip but I also don't pay too much attention to recruiting anymore. I just thought this was funny and summed up the recruitment of high school players perfectly.
 

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I don't beleive he'll flip but I also don't pay too much attention to recruiting anymore. I just thought this was funny and summed up the recruitment of high school players perfectly.

I agree. Although, in Coneys defense, sometimes "live in conversation" quotes are different than they look in print.
 

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Love the ambiguous quote. Have to love recruiting.

I don't think...

I doubt...
 

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This line:
Actually, I doubt I take anymore visits

Says that a kid has looked at his list of offers and he can't see himself wanting to visit any of them. But if he were to get new offers he would consider them
 

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“I don’t think I am taking anymore visits,” he explained. “Actually, I doubt I take anymore visits. I am pretty solidly, 100 percent committed to Notre Dame."

Should we place this line in the "Redundancy/Oxymoron" thread?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>The senior film of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> LB commit <a href="https://twitter.com/TevonConey">@TevonConey</a> shows a ton of toughness and physicality. <a href="http://t.co/xHSLpPVA4K">http://t.co/xHSLpPVA4K</a> (FREE) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IRISH?src=hash">#IRISH</a></p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/540188337584484352">December 3, 2014</a></blockquote>
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ND is going to have to stay on this kid until he enrolls.



Tevon Coney9⃣ @TevonConey
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I Hope I See @SkyDigg4 When I Enroll At ND

You know they'll be on him until he enrolls. Glad he's an EE.
 

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Same situation like any other player from the South that every team in the country wants
 

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ND is going to have to stay on this kid until he enrolls.



Tevon Coney9⃣ @TevonConey
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I Hope I See @SkyDigg4 When I Enroll At ND

If Tony takes the CSU job, ND should immediately hire SkyDigg as recruiting coordinator.
 
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