All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

[IrishLax]

I hope I didn't come off too aggressive at anyone who disagreed with me.

Nah, you just came off as Un-American. Can't wait for Trump to deport your hatin' ass.

Rouge One felt a little closer to this:
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Look at Colin's #hottake... comparing the most serious and bleak Star Wars movie to one of the most cartoonish scenes in the reviled prequels. So edgy.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Hot takes, indeed.

 

[wizards8507]

Hammer, read Catalyst.

No, you don't have to read it to enjoy the movie, but it might address many of your concerns.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I hope I didn't come off too aggressive at anyone who disagreed with me. I enjoy the arguments and I think sometimes I come off as being more serious than I am. At the end of the day, I didn't enjoy the movie very much.

Forget it, man. This is a circlejerk thread.

 

[wizards8507]

Forget it, man. This is a circlejerk thread.

I didn't really like Rogue One, and I work for TWDC. My main complaint is that I didn't care about a single one of the characters besides CGI Tarkin. I'm defending the movie on certain points of criticism but I really didn't like it that much.

 

[greyhammer90]

Nah, you just came off as Un-American. Can't wait for Trump to deport your hatin' ass.



Look at Colin's #hottake... comparing the most serious and bleak Star Wars movie to one of the most cartoonish scenes in the reviled prequels. So edgy.

What did you just say about me, you little nerf herder? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Storm Trooper Academy, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on rebel scum, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire Imperial Army. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in this Galaxy, mark my words. You think you can get away with saying that to me over the Internet? Think again, bantha dung. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the Empire and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're dead, kid so just blow this thing and go home. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my gloved hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Imperial Empire and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable light freighter off the face of the universe. If only you could have known what dark retribution your little "Koon" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you hutt spawn. I will close you in the trash compactor and you will get a lot thinner. You're poodoo, kiddo.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm the top sniper in the entire Imperial Army.

What's the requirement for that? Hit the target 0.001% of the time?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

This is the sort of Quality Content™ I come to IE for. Bravo, gentlemen.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

What's the requirement for that? Hit the target 0.001% of the time?

In TFA, the First Order should have explained that they no longer use a clone army because the cloning process resulted in poor fine motor skills. Missed opportunity there.

 

[IrishLax]

This is the sort of Quality Content™ I come to IE for. Bravo, gentlemen.

I laughed out loud reading Hammer's last one... and sadly know I'm not funny enough to come up with a reply.

 

[gkIrish]

Star Trek > Star Wars

 

[IrishLax]

Star Trek > Star Wars

Fake news.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I laughed out loud reading Hammer's last one... and sadly know I'm not funny enough to come up with a reply.

There is no proper reply to the Navy Seal copypasta. One simply acknowledges that he has been Owned on the Internet™, and waits patiently for death.

 

[IrishLax]

There is no proper reply to the Navy Seal copypasta. One simply acknowledges that he has been Owned on the Internet™, and waits patiently for death.

Yeah, once I got to the I have "over 300 confirmed kills" I lost it because I knew what I was reading and it was edited to Star Wars perfection. Greyhammer is an artist....





...and/or Communist.

 

[greyhammer90]

Greyhammer is an artist.

I dabble in memes the way other artists might dabble in oils. They're my true medium.

Reps for naming the reference.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I didn't really like Rogue One, and I work for TWDC. My main complaint is that I didn't care about a single one of the characters besides CGI Tarkin. I'm defending the movie on certain points of criticism but I really didn't like it that much.

That's funny. I had the exact opposite reaction. I thought it was amazing how much they developed characters and relationships in 2 hours. As we were leaving, I told my wife that I even cared more about the droid than I did about any character in the prequels, including ones we knew previously.

 

[IrishLax]

I dabble in memes the way other artists might dabble in oils. They're my true medium.

Reps for naming the reference.

A Christmas Story, right? Old man fighting the furnace? I have that on the brain from the Ellis Brooks thread.

 

[greyhammer90]

A Christmas Story, right? Old man fighting the furnace? I have that on the brain from the Ellis Brooks thread.

Bingo!

 

[GATTACA!]

Things that were completely needless to the plot or could have easily been changed to not recycle fanboy material, but were almost certainly left in to garner fanboy love:

Blue Milk A piece of set dressing that is just sitting there?

Yavin 4 Rebel Base with long lingering camera angles of the guys scanning incoming ships in towers This movie takes place hours before a New Hope. You're going to see the same locations.

Grand Moff Tarkin - distracting plastic doll version My grandfather wife and father in law all saw the film and had no idea he was CGI.

"Just watch yourself" guy and walrus/butt face Agreed

General Dodonna If he's at the base in 4 he's going to be there 3 hours earlier.

Mon Mothma Same ^

Bail Organa It makes sense that he would be there if the alliance is in contact with Leia, plus he adds context to how the Rebellion knew and contacted Obi Wan.

Leia Organa - distracting plastic doll version Same as Tarkin. Plus she's the one that passes the plans to R2 so it makes sense that she would be the last one we see with the plans.

C-3P0 Meh. It makes sense that they would be at the Yavin Base. I can see the complaint that they weren't involved in the story of Rogue One, but did they really detract from the film?

R2-D2 Same ^

"I've got a bad feeling about this." Agreed

"It's a trap" Agreed

AT-ATs Why? If they are part of the Empire's arsenal why wouldn't they have a few on Scarif?

T-15 reference (hurr durr so clever) No casual viewer would even notice that one.

Holochess It's a game in their universe why is it odd people would be playing it? Should they have been playing a different fictional game?

Rouge Squadron Red and Gold leaders - distracting CGI plastic doll versions Those weren't CGI that was archived footage from A New Hope they found when they visited Lucasfilm Ranch. Complaining to complain?

References to Antilles Edit: Didn't realise that they were referencing a different Antilles. Shame on me.

Plus so many more.

I would also put Vader down as a needless callback, because he has no effect on the story at all. His speaking scene was pointless and should have been left on the cutting room floor. I would also say that his corridor scene was a great example of whoring out. Would it have been classier and likely more effectively menacing to show Vader's ships coming in to clean up the rebel rabble without actually showing Vader? Yeah probably. Would that have caused fanboys to go "OMG sooo cool guise"? Probably not.

*EDIT* I would be remiss if I didn't commend Mads Mikkelsen on his performance. He stood out as a particularly convincing and at times seemed like the only person who was aware this wasn't a spoof of Star Wars but was, in fact, a real movie.

If you didn't enjoy the shit out of those Vader scenes idk what to tell you. This isn't Casablanca 2, they weren't trying to duplicate some piece of high art. This is a sci-fi space opera and they just gave us one of the most badass scenes with the greatest movie villain of all time.

 

[wizards8507]

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[IrishLion]

Is the new cool thing for everyone to pretend to dislike the new movies because they do all the things other Star Wars movies do lol?

 

[wizards8507]

Is the new cool thing for everyone to pretend to dislike the new movies because they do all the things other Star Wars movies do lol?

I'm exactly the opposite. I disliked Rogue One because I didn't think it was a very good movie. However, I enjoyed my time in the theater specifically because all the Star Warsy things. It's like Battlefront. Not a super great video game, but still fun to shoot down an AT-AT with a blaster cannon.

 

[IrishLion]

I'm exactly the opposite. I disliked Rogue One because I didn't think it was a very good movie. However, I enjoyed my time in the theater specifically because all the Star Warsy things. It's like Battlefront. Not a super great video game, but still fun to shoot down an AT-AT with a blaster cannon.

I respect that. As a film, it had flaws. I don't know exactly what they could have done to improve the audience's connection to the characters, considering the limitations of the narrative time-frame, but the lack of connection didn't match the intended emotional impact of the finale. Perhaps less characters in the core group?

I just get irked by criticisms that don't seem to come from a place of good faith. A lot of the negative things I've heard about both Ep VII and Rogue One are criticisms that seem to be made because it's "cool" to pick the films apart, when the reality is that a lot of the criticisms 100% apply to the original films, which of course everyone loves the originals, and those flawed originals are the reasons for people watching the new films in the first place.

 

[gkIrish]

I respect that. As a film, it had flaws. I don't know exactly what they could have done to improve the audience's connection to the characters, considering the limitations of the narrative time-frame, but the lack of connection didn't match the intended emotional impact of the finale. Perhaps less characters in the core group?

I just get irked by criticisms that don't seem to come from a place of good faith. A lot of the negative things I've heard about both Ep VII and Rogue One are criticisms that seem to be made because it's "cool" to pick the films apart, when the reality is that a lot of the criticisms 100% apply to the original films, which of course everyone loves the originals, and those flawed originals are the reasons for people watching the new films in the first place.

Spot on. The original trilogy was flawed in many ways but it's the cool thing to do now to pick apart the new films. Force Awakens had some major problems because it was a copy of ANH in many ways but I really don't see how someone can argue Rogue One was not a good film within the premise that it's a prequel to a space opera.

 

[wizards8507]

I respect that. As a film, it had flaws. I don't know exactly what they could have done to improve the audience's connection to the characters, considering the limitations of the narrative time-frame, but the lack of connection didn't match the intended emotional impact of the finale. Perhaps less characters in the core group?

Guardians of the Galaxy was able to pull it off, and they didn't have the luxury of a pre-established universe (setting aside the MCU, which really doesn't connect to GotG in any meaningful way yet). People were literally bawling their eyes out during the "we are Groot" scene and that's a CGI tree with his CGI talking raccoon friend. Rogue One killed five human beings and none of those deaths elicited any more than a shrug from me.

 

[IrishLion]

Spot on. The original trilogy was flawed in many ways but it's the cool thing to do now to pick apart the new films. Force Awakens had some major problems because it was a copy of ANH in many ways but I really don't see how someone can argue Rogue One was not a good film within the premise that it's a prequel to a space opera.

Fo sho. As an example, the same criticisms video lady above had about lack of on-screen character development in regards to pilot dude could apply to almost every character in the Star Wars universe, with the exception of Luke, Leia, Han, and Anakin Skywalker.

She referenced like 8 times that the pilot guy mentioned his connection to Galen Erso, but criticized the fact that we never saw this connection... of course we didn't. It was pre-established as necessitated by the plot of the film itself. And the exact same criticism could be made about Episode IV characters, though I won't yet do so, so as to not start an uproar haha.

 

[IrishLion]

Guardians of the Galaxy was able to pull it off, and they didn't have the luxury of a pre-established universe (setting aside the MCU, which really doesn't connect to GotG in any meaningful way yet). People were literally bawling their eyes out during the "we are Groot" scene and that's a CGI tree with his CGI talking raccoon friend. Rogue One killed five human beings and none of those deaths elicited any more than a shrug from me.

That's because Groot was a tree. Everyone knows that non-human deaths are much more emotionally impactful than human deaths.

Han Solo biting the dust didn't make me bat an eye, aside from to kind of be pissed at Kylo Ren. But if Chewie would have died? I might have given up on Star Wars in general.

 

[wizards8507]

That's because Groot was a tree. Everyone knows that non-human deaths are much more emotionally impactful than human deaths.

Han Solo biting the dust didn't make me bat an eye, aside from to kind of be pissed at Kylo Ren. But if Chewie would have died? I might have given up on Star Wars in general.

Then make a wookie character and kill it. You don't get a free pass on emotionless death on the basis that it's impossible to create meaningful human death on screen.

 

[IrishLion]

Then make a wookie character and kill it. You don't get a free pass on emotionless death on the basis that it's impossible to create meaningful human death on screen.

I was just kind of being tongue-in-cheek about not caring for people. Animal Disney movies make me cry like a man-baby.

Seriously though, I thought they did Jyn's character a disservice by forcing the connection with Cassian too much at the end. It was nice that he showed up to help her and then again at the top of the tower to save her, as could have been expected based on how their short relationship evolved. But they forced the whole "embrace before oblivion" thing IMO, and it didn't quite match the action before that. On one hand I understand that you're about to die, and you're going to connect with whoever is standing next to you.

But I might have felt a bit stronger about the tumultuous relationships they shared if she would have been facing the shockwave on her own, with Cassian sitting on the ground next to her or something. Give her a moment of individual strength in the face of demise, as Cassian offers "distant" support.

 

[gkIrish]

Imagine a world where the characters aren't developed as well as they could be but a film is still good and entertaining.

You can't have a 45 minute epic space battle plus probably another 45 minutes of pure action and expect to get fully developed characters you feel emotionally connected to in the other hour.

Do you guys not enjoy The Expendables? Jesus.