All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

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Trailer had me until:

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Honestly: WTF

I had a moment when I was critiquing some superhero movie on similar grounds that I realized that comic books written for adults are actually much more lame than a non-edgy, slighty-boring comic book written for boys.

I might become jaded to stories where the good guy wins, but I loved that stuff when I was a kid. Similarly, wearing tights and referring to yourself by a code name just doesn't work in adult world.

And I've heard that a lot of the adults that saw Return of the Jedi absolutely hated the fighting teddy bears, but my childhood self thought Ewoks were the best.

Long story short, its fricking Star Wars. It's OK if they have some kid stuff in there.
 

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Luke connects Rey's raw power to Kylo's, which scares him... so she's either a Solo or a Skywalker. No curveballs on her parentage, probably.

I went totally sideways when I heard him say this; as he said it they showed the jedi academy as a pile of burning rubble.

I interpreted it as he encountered this raw power before (possibly when Rey was young at the Jedi academy) but it was Rey's power he is referring to (and (now) scared of) and it was possibly Rey's mishandling of that power (or manipulated into using) that somehow contributed to the Jedi Academy downfall, and potentially more than that.
 

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All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

As long as he doesn't speak like Jar Jar, I think he'll be okay.



That was where my thinking went. I get the Ewoks, "it's a kids movie", etc., but after Jar Jar became the most universally disliked movie character of all-time by children and adults alike, you would think some caution comes into play with these new installments.

Hopefully the Porg (as our resident SW fanatic called it) doesn't go down in infamy, and isn't given any meaningful snaps on gameday.

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Looks totally awesome Wiz....


Now this is actually funny:

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Wiz is THE Star Wars guy.

He's got the Threepio Mouse Ears to prove it.

If he's hype enough about the Porg to change his IE avatar, then I'm good with it.

(Unless it's an ironic change, in which case boooooo.)
 

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Wiz is THE Star Wars guy.

He's got the Threepio Mouse Ears to prove it.

If he's hype enough about the Porg to change his IE avatar, then I'm good with it.

(Unless it's an ironic change, in which case boooooo.)

Oh c'mon now, he's just hyped for Star Wars. This should have no bearing on whether the Porg is going to be a good addition or not
 

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I feel like Kylo may actually be the one who switches allegiances. Perhaps when he reaches his hand out he is trying to help Rey. Also I really hope she is a Kenobi somehow.

I hope this Rey bish is unrelated to anyone. Big Ben Kenobi doesn't smash.
 

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Wiz is THE Star Wars guy.

He's got the Threepio Mouse Ears to prove it.

If he's hype enough about the Porg to change his IE avatar, then I'm good with it.

(Unless it's an ironic change, in which case boooooo.)

Oh c'mon now, he's just hyped for Star Wars. This should have no bearing on whether the Porg is going to be a good addition or not
I'm all in on porgs and I don't think the Jar Jar comparison is apt at all. "Cute and cuddly" is not the same thing as "slapstick." Cute and cuddly creatures exist in the real world so why wouldn't they also exist in the Star Wars universe? Of course they're a cynical ploy to get that sweet sweet merchandise money, but so are X-wings and Darth Vader and lightsabers and all that other dope ass shit that we all associate with "real" Star Wars.

I hope this Rey bish is unrelated to anyone. Big Ben Kenobi doesn't smash.
He most definitely did. Her name was Duchess Satine Kryze of Mandalore.

It seems obvious that they're not going the Skywalker route, but I thought that would have been the way to do it. That lightsaber was Anakin's, then Luke's, then Rey's. I liked the idea of the saga films (i.e. the "main" ones, not Rogue One, etc.) as the Skywalker saga.
 

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I'm all in on porgs and I don't think the Jar Jar comparison is apt at all. "Cute and cuddly" is not the same thing as "slapstick." Cute and cuddly creatures exist in the real world so why wouldn't they also exist in the Star Wars universe? Of course they're a cynical ploy to get that sweet sweet merchandise money, but so are X-wings and Darth Vader and lightsabers and all that other dope ass shit that we all associate with "real" Star Wars.


He most definitely did. Her name was Duchess Satine Kryze of Mandalore.

It seems obvious that they're not going the Skywalker route, but I thought that would have been the way to do it. That lightsaber was Anakin's, then Luke's, then Rey's. I liked the idea of the saga films (i.e. the "main" ones, not Rogue One, etc.) as the Skywalker saga.

She's Mara Jade and Luke's daughter or we riot!




Not really though. I hope she's unrelated to everyone.
 

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I hope this Rey bish is unrelated to anyone. Big Ben Kenobi doesn't smash.

Seriously. It's time to go away from that. Everyone doesn't have to be related. It's a big galaxy.

(I personally wouldn't have made Luke/Leia siblings if I had Lucas's ear in the 80s. Ended up serving no particular purpose and was weirdly brought up. The only really good moment that came of it was the "there is another" line from Yoda. That was neat.)
 

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Seriously. It's time to go away from that. Everyone doesn't have to be related. It's a big galaxy.

(I personally wouldn't have made Luke/Leia siblings if I had Lucas's ear in the 80s. Ended up serving no particular purpose and was weirdly brought up. The only really good moment that came of it was the "there is another" line from Yoda. That was neat.)

Wasn't it kind of necessary to have them related in terms of the in-universe implications of the story, though?

The natural train of thought after the conclusion of "Jedi" is "oh cool, Luke can restore the Jedi."

The best way to do/show that is to establish multiple Force-capable individuals, and the best way to build a narrative off of THAT is to have them related, so the genesis of their family lines can play a role while they search empty corners of the galaxy for others.
 

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Seriously. It's time to go away from that. Everyone doesn't have to be related. It's a big galaxy.
I totally agree with that argument when it comes to why on Earth we need a young Han Solo movie (we don't). But the saga films are the story of Anakin Skywalker and his family.
 

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Wiz is THE Star Wars guy.

He's got the Threepio Mouse Ears to prove it.

If he's hype enough about the Porg to change his IE avatar, then I'm good with it.

(Unless it's an ironic change, in which case boooooo.)

I have a Vader mouse-ears beanie. Not gonna lie.

I didn't buy it, though. It was a gift.
 

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Wasn't it kind of necessary to have them related in terms of the in-universe implications of the story, though?

The natural train of thought after the conclusion of "Jedi" is "oh cool, Luke can restore the Jedi."

The best way to do/show that is to establish multiple Force-capable individuals, and the best way to build a narrative off of THAT is to have them related, so the genesis of their family lines can play a role while they search empty corners of the galaxy for others.

Or the Force could be something that was not necessarily hereditary which it was never fully confirmed to be in the original movies.

Also, did any of that stuff you say actually happen or was it implied at all in the movies? Or was it only in the expanded universe? I'm not talking about what the expanded universe people did with it. I'm talking about tangible effects on the movie. The movie did nothing with the information that Luke and Leia were related except to: (1) Kill the love triangle; (2) Give Luke an excuse to go ham on Vader in the end. Both of those could have been done much cleaner and less weirdly IMO. To number 1: Luke is a Monk now. To number 2: His friends are dying and/or being captured at the time. It's easy to write an emotional switch in for Luke there.
 
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I totally agree with that argument when it comes to why on Earth we need a young Han Solo movie (we don't). But the saga films are the story of Anakin Skywalker and his family.

Which is why Kylo Ren is here to be the main antagonist/(protagonist?). Also Luke is still around, doing his thing.
 

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I totally agree with that argument when it comes to why on Earth we need a young Han Solo movie (we don't). But the saga films are the story of Anakin Skywalker and his family.



Wiz, you know most people's entire knowledge of the SW universe comes from the movies.

A young Han Solo movie appeals to those people, and will sell like hot cakes. A movie about Darth McStuffins from some comic book nobody's read would not.
 

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Or the Force could be something that was not necessarily hereditary which it was never fully confirmed to be in the original movies.

Oh I don't think it is necessarily hereditary. I thought force-sensitive individuals could come from any station of life in the universe at random.

I just meant that the easiest way to build upon the narrative foundation laid by the films would be for Luke and Leia to be related, if the idea was that Luke would be the start of a resurgent Jedi order. If they are related, it would then be easier to track the resurgence of Force users (and to build a narrative that they ARE resurgent), because you could start with any offspring of Luke and Leia, as they would naturally have the gift.

You could focus on those related individuals while you search the universe for others with Force capability that are NOT related to the Skywalkers.

Also, did any of that stuff you say actually happen or was it implied at all in the movies? Or was it only in the expanded universe? I'm not talking about what the expanded universe people did with it. I'm talking about tangible effects on the movie. The movie did nothing with the information that Luke and Leia were related except to: (1) Kill the love triangle; (2) Give Luke an excuse to go ham on Vader in the end. Both of those could have been done much cleaner and less weirdly IMO. To number 1: Luke is a Monk now. To number 2: His friends are dying and/or being captured at the time. It's easy to write an emotional switch in for Luke there.

I always thought the title "Return of the Jedi" was a reference to both the fact that Luke had become a Jedi AND that his victory over the Sith would open a the path for more Jedi to be trained/discovered in the future. Like the Order was set for a Return based on the action of the film, whether it was actually in the movie or not.

I'm not going to bat for the decision, btw, just saying that I understood why Lucas made them related. It adds an extra layer to Vader's history, and makes any future narratives (like the EU stories, which I haven't actually read) a bit easier with an easy thread to follow based on an expanding family tree of Force Users.

They could have accomplished the same things without making them related, but there was also the moment where Leia uses her connection to the Force at the end of Empire to have Lando turn around to go and find Luke hanging from the Cloud City station. They could have explained it off as they were flying by and just saw him, but the way it was written into the plot provides another reason to make them related.
 

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So the same guy stroking off to the Furby is bashing the idea of a Han Solo pre-quell? Take a lap, wiz.
 

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So the same guy stroking off to the Furby is bashing the idea of a Han Solo pre-quell? Take a lap, wiz.

In all seriousness, do you see any way that a Han Solo prequel will make the character more cool? I'd put chance of it making him a better character at 1%, and chances of it retroactively damaging the character at 45%.
 

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A young Han Solo movie appeals to those people, and will sell like hot cakes. A movie about Darth McStuffins from some comic book nobody's read would not.

It's very easy to sell an original story/characters by making them tangentially related to something that happened at the movies. Rouge One sucked and everybody liked that.

Step 1: Make your main character a bounty hunter, but a good guy.
Step 2: Make the film largely unrelated to the rest of Star Wars, but film one scene of him in Jabba's Palace when Luke shows up and/or have him getting an invite to meet up with a bunch of other bounty hunters and Vader to hunt Solo. (Bonus points if the main character "NOPES" out of the Vadar invite immediately for comic relief.)
Step 3: Make that scene the end of Trailer #1.

There you go, I just made you $400 million in profits.
 
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The music for this trailer is phenomenal, just like the TFA trailer in 2015. If you don't want to see the trailer, there are videos that isolate just the music.

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I love how Williams wove the leitmotifs together. FYI, the music goes in and out because of the dialogue sections in the actual trailer.
 

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Watching Rogue One right now actually. First time I've brought myself to watch it outside of theaters. It's boring AF. Boring plot, boring characters. Dope props / aliens / costumes / effects though. They nailed the look and feel but just didn't make a very good movie.
 

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All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

Do you remember the name of any character from that movie without looking it up?















My favorite was Bodhi Rook. That's a character Ill never forget.



Lol. It did deliver the best 90 seconds in SW movie history though when Vader tears through two corridors of Rebel soldiers at the end.

Did it make up for the previous 2 hours that had the feel of a 90's MTV teen drama? NO.
 

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Do you remember the name of any character from that movie without looking it up?







My favorite was Bodhi Rook. That's a character Ill never forget.

Off the top of my head....

K-2SO

Galen Erso

Jyn Erso

Cassian Endor

Bodhi

Krennic

Saw Gererra

Not too bad IMO.
 
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