All Things Star Wars (No Spoilers)

[greyhammer90]

Rey is OP.

Agree actually. Luke like... caught himself on the edge of a diving board once.

 

[wizards8507]

Agree actually. Luke like... caught himself on the edge of a diving board once.

Yup. Rey has video game Force powers and with zero training.

 

[IrishLion]

Rey is OP.

Agree actually. Luke like... caught himself on the edge of a diving board once.

Yup. Rey has video game Force powers and with zero training.

That's why she's Skywalker Rising, duh.

Elevate the base power.

 

[ulukinatme]

So Rey is a Skywalker after all?

Kylo was lying to her about her parents the whole time, dark side and all that.

This means my crazy swerve theory may still be true!

Luke and Leia shacked up while Han was frozen, find out she's preggers with Rey after RotJ.
Han is devastated when they find out the truth.
Luke decides to step away to let them heal, and he trains Jedi after leaving Rey on Jakku. Han and Leia try to move on, but even after Ben's birth the past is all too much and they split.
Leia takes Ben to Luke, etc etc, we know what happens from there.

It's the missing swerve from Last Jedi!
You almost have to bet that Rey is a Skywalker in some way or another. She purposely has no last name. Same thing with Finn, who will probably end up being Lando's son cause...why not? Everything else is ridiculous anyway.

 

[calvegas04]

Yup. Rey has video game Force powers and with zero training.

She trained with Luke

 

[greyhammer90]

Yup. Rey has video game Force powers and with zero training.

I'm hoping the dialog at the beginning indicates some form of (probably supernatural) training.

 

[wizards8507]

She trained with Luke

Not in Ep. VII when she kicked Kylo out of her brain and had Force-knowledge of an island she'd never been to. Or when she Jedi mind-tricked some stormtroopers. Or Force-pulled a lightsaber to herself.

That was my biggest complaint about Ep. VIII. I didn't care about Canto Bight or Rose or the Holdo Maneuver or Luke tossing the lightsaber or any of that other nonsense. The reveal that Rey was a nobody without some kind of major secret history retroactively ruined Ep. VII by making her an ACTUAL Mary Sue, which she wasn't if you take Ep. VII on its own.

 

[IrishLion]

Not in Ep. VII when she kicked Kylo out of her brain and had Force-knowledge of an island she'd never been to. Or when she Jedi mind-tricked some stormtroopers. Or Force-pulled a lightsaber to herself.

That was my biggest complaint about Ep. VIII. I didn't care about Canto Bight or Rose or the Holdo Maneuver or Luke tossing the lightsaber or any of that other nonsense. The reveal that Rey was a nobody without some kind of major secret history retroactively ruined Ep. VII by making her an ACTUAL Mary Sue, which she wasn't if you take Ep. VII on its own.

I still contend that a total rando being "The One" and bringing balance to the Force by being a naturally OP badass would make beautiful sense when you consider the idea of what "The Force" is supposed to be.

The Skywalker bloodline is rich in midichlorians... but why does that mean they are the ONLY family capable of fulfilling the prophecy?

If anything, the Skywalkers continuously fucking up and being corrupted would be a perfect reason for the Force to gift itself to some random chick that got dropped off by her shithead parents in the boonies.

 

[greyhammer90]

I still contend that a total rando being "The One" and bringing balance to the Force by being a naturally OP badass would make beautiful sense when you consider the idea of what "The Force" is supposed to be.

The Skywalker bloodline is rich in midichlorians... but why does that mean they are the ONLY family capable of fulfilling the prophecy?

If anything, the Skywalkers continuously fucking up and being corrupted would be a perfect reason for the Force to gift itself to some random chick that got dropped off by her shithead parents in the boonies.

I agree and disagree with Wizard. My issue is more that I don't think anyone should be able to do that kind of stuff without training. Like, Luke is as genetically blessed as possible, and I always thought that the fact that he was able to pick up little rocks so quickly after training for a month or so was proof of how amazing he is. So, I agree with Wizard that she's a Mary Sue... but she was definitely already a Mary Sue in Ep. VII regardless of what was revealed about her heritage.

 

[wizards8507]

I still contend that a total rando being "The One" and bringing balance to the Force by being a naturally OP badass would make beautiful sense when you consider the idea of what "The Force" is supposed to be.

The Skywalker bloodline is rich in midichlorians... but why does that mean they are the ONLY family capable of fulfilling the prophecy?

If anything, the Skywalkers continuously fucking up and being corrupted would be a perfect reason for the Force to gift itself to some random chick that got dropped off by her shithead parents in the boonies.

Except that Eps I through IX are literally "The Skywalker Saga." They're the whole point. It's a trilogy of trilogies. If Kylo is legit the only Skywalker that's relevant in this generation, the narrative arc of the meta-trilogy is Corruption -> Redemption -> Corruption -> Destruction. That's trash.

So, I agree with Wizard that she's a Mary Sue... but she was definitely already a Mary Sue in Ep. VII regardless of what was revealed about her heritage.

My working theory at the end of VII is that she was a Skywalker AND she had previous training with some kind of mind-wipe. Kylo-goes-bad and wrecks everything so Luke gets scared and hides Little Sister so she can't join Kylo and destroy the whole world.

 

[greyhammer90]

That's trash.

I mean, except for 2 truly outstanding movies the whole "Skywalker Saga" is mediocre.

 

[greyhammer90]

My working theory at the end of VII is that she was a Skywalker AND she had previous training with some kind of mind-wipe. Kylo-goes-bad and wrecks everything so Luke gets scared and hides Little Sister so she can't join Kylo and destroy the whole world.

That's interesting. Hadn't heard that one.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Need a Star Trek thread. My apologies if there is one.

If not.......make it so.

 

[wizards8507]

I mean, except for 2 truly outstanding movies the whole "Skywalker Saga" is mediocre.

As movies, the prequels are terrible. As parts of the saga, I think they're great. An innocent slave boy becomes a great warrior and finds love. Through manipulation and tragedy he is slowly corrupted until he is the most feared man in the galaxy. A charismatic politician has a dark secret. He orchestrates a galactic civil war and the bumbling representatives of the people cede to him ultimate executive authority.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Need a Star Trek thread. My apologies if there is one.

If not.......make it so.

TFW you learn there's no dedicated Star Trek thread:

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[IrishLion]

I agree and disagree with Wizard. My issue is more that I don't think anyone should be able to do that kind of stuff without training. Like, Luke is as genetically blessed as possible, and I always thought that the fact that he was able to pick up little rocks so quickly after training for a month or so was proof of how amazing he is. So, I agree with Wizard that she's a Mary Sue... but she was definitely already a Mary Sue in Ep. VII regardless of what was revealed about her heritage.

Except that Eps I through IX are literally "The Skywalker Saga." They're the whole point. It's a trilogy of trilogies. If Kylo is legit the only Skywalker that's relevant in this generation, the narrative arc of the meta-trilogy is Corruption -> Redemption -> Corruption -> Destruction. That's trash.


My working theory at the end of VII is that she was a Skywalker AND she had previous training with some kind of mind-wipe. Kylo-goes-bad and wrecks everything so Luke gets scared and hides Little Sister so she can't join Kylo and destroy the whole world.

I guess my idea (I know that's not how it's gonna be, because it's too 'marketable' to make Rey a hidden Skywalker) would be that the Skywalker redemption occurs because Luke realizes his limitations, and that his job is to help Rey, this random nobody that's been blessed, realize what it takes, and to help her avoid the mistakes he and his family have made.

Seriously. The Skywalkers keep fucking up. The Force has to fix it.

 

[Sea Turtle]

TFW you learn there's no dedicated Star Trek thread:

[webm]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FeistyDampClingfish-mobile.mp4[/webm]

Exactly! It's just not logical.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

As movies, the prequels are terrible.

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[nlroma1o]

Rey is OP.

I've been saying this shit for so damn long... but so has everyone else... Rey is so frustrating... hell, Disney made Star Wars frustrating...

The trailer looks beautiful, and at least has my curiosity.

I just still hate TLJ so damn much. I need a lobotomy to forget that piece of hot garbage. I dont think this film will save it for me personally.

My only gripe with this trailer is the film shot where you see the Death Star debris out in the middle of what appears to be and ocean... what a bunch of noobs.... they made it way too small. The showed the weapon dish and the equator trench. They got the scale all wrong. The piece sitting in the ocean would actually be a much smaller piece then we are shown. The original Death Star was like 100 km in diameter. And I am assuming this is Death Star II, which all the nerds know, is supposed to be bigger. Essentially what I am getting at, is if they just showed generic side of Death Star II debris, it would have been fine. But by adding the dish, it gives the object scale, and the scale is way too small. Way to go JJ.

 

[ulukinatme]

Ya'll need to forget this preconceived notion that people are unable to use the Force without training. Anakin was using the Force to help him in pod racing long before Qui Gon and Obi Wan came to Tatooine. Luke uses the Force in the Wampa cave to bring him the lightsaber despite not learning that ability from Obi Wan in their very short training session in the trip to Alderaan. I'm pretty sure Obi Wan didn't teach him to use the Force to blow up the Death Star either. I never read it, but people have said Corran Horn in the X-Wing series of books used Force persuasion to discourage a Stormtrooper from finding his hiding spot. In the Clone Wars episode Children of the Force there are babies and small children lifting their toys with the Force. We also see at the end of the Last Jedi the boy from the stables uses the force to bring the broom to him.

In short, there are plenty of examples of untrained Force users using the Force to varying degrees. They typically need a trained Force user to further hone their powers, but it's not unthinkable that they develop the powers themselves. Fighting off Kylo Ren's mind probe in Episode VII is a little hard to believe, but we don't know Rey's whole story yet and her connection to the Force could very well surpass Kylo's. The rest though, like using Force persuasion on the Stormtrooper and pulling the lightsaber? Nothing wrong there.

 

[irishnd31]

Ya'll need to forget this preconceived notion that people are unable to use the Force without training. Anakin was using the Force to help him in pod racing long before Qui Gon and Obi Wan came to Tatooine. Luke uses the Force in the Wampa cave to bring him the lightsaber despite not learning that ability from Obi Wan in their very short training session in the trip to Alderaan. I'm pretty sure Obi Wan didn't teach him to use the Force to blow up the Death Star either. I never read it, but people have said Corran Horn in the X-Wing series of books used Force persuasion to discourage a Stormtrooper from finding his hiding spot. In the Clone Wars episode Children of the Force there are babies and small children lifting their toys with the Force. We also see at the end of the Last Jedi the boy from the stables uses the force to bring the broom to him.

In short, there are plenty of examples of untrained Force users using the Force to varying degrees. They typically need a trained Force user to further hone their powers, but it's not unthinkable that they develop the powers themselves. Fighting off Kylo Ren's mind probe in Episode VII is a little hard to believe, but we don't know Rey's whole story yet and her connection to the Force could very well surpass Kylo's. The rest though, like using Force persuasion on the Stormtrooper and pulling the lightsaber? Nothing wrong there.

This post is strong with the Force. Agree

 

[ACamp1900]

I can’t wait to see how they go about character assassinating Lando before killing him off,....

 

[zelezo vlk]

I can’t wait to see how they go about character assassinating Lando before killing him off,....

In his last appearance before his off-street death, Lando parts with the words "Birth control isn't a human right. Oh and Hitler did nothing wrong!"

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[TDHeysus]

In his last appearance before his off-street death, Lando parts with the words "Birth control isn't a human right. Oh and Hitler did nothing wrong!"

after being a passionate life-long fan of the Star Wars, I never watched Solo, and will not pay to see Ep. 9.

I might see both of them some weekend when they are played repeatedly on TNT, but the SW franchise will never get a dime of my $$$ ever again.

 

[ACamp1900]

after being a passionate life-long fan of the Star Wars, I never watched Solo, and will not pay to see Ep. 9.

I might see both of them some weekend when they are played repeatedly on TNT, but the SW franchise will never get a dime of my $$$ ever again.

I’m much closer to this than I am to those hyped,... the trailer was okay... I may go see it if family drags me. Most likely I’ll catch it at home a year later or whatever

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'm not hyped, but I think the trailer was paying for some of the sins of TLJ. The look of it is what made me a little more excited to watch it this upcoming winter. Still not remotely in my top 5 most anticipated movies of the year tho.

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[wizards8507]

Ya'll need to forget this preconceived notion that people are unable to use the Force without training. Anakin was using the Force to help him in pod racing long before Qui Gon and Obi Wan came to Tatooine. Luke uses the Force in the Wampa cave to bring him the lightsaber despite not learning that ability from Obi Wan in their very short training session in the trip to Alderaan. I'm pretty sure Obi Wan didn't teach him to use the Force to blow up the Death Star either. I never read it, but people have said Corran Horn in the X-Wing series of books used Force persuasion to discourage a Stormtrooper from finding his hiding spot. In the Clone Wars episode Children of the Force there are babies and small children lifting their toys with the Force. We also see at the end of the Last Jedi the boy from the stables uses the force to bring the broom to him.

In short, there are plenty of examples of untrained Force users using the Force to varying degrees. They typically need a trained Force user to further hone their powers, but it's not unthinkable that they develop the powers themselves. Fighting off Kylo Ren's mind probe in Episode VII is a little hard to believe, but we don't know Rey's whole story yet and her connection to the Force could very well surpass Kylo's. The rest though, like using Force persuasion on the Stormtrooper and pulling the lightsaber? Nothing wrong there.

Wrong. Read Heir to the Jedi.

Don't try to out lore me.

 

[irishnd31]

I’m much closer to this than I am to those hyped,... the trailer was okay... I may go see it if family drags me. Most likely I’ll catch it at home a year later or whatever

This is where I’m at. I’ll most likely go see it as this is a family tradition around Christmas but this trailer got me pumped... but so did the trailers for TLJ and that was a huge shart in the pants of the Star Wars franchise.

 

[ulukinatme]

Wrong. Read Heir to the Jedi.

Don't try to out lore me.

Okay? I heard it was horrible. I still gave several canon examples of untrained people using the Force.

 

[GATTACA!]

Not in Ep. VII when she kicked Kylo out of her brain and had Force-knowledge of an island she'd never been to. Or when she Jedi mind-tricked some stormtroopers. Or Force-pulled a lightsaber to herself.

That was my biggest complaint about Ep. VIII. I didn't care about Canto Bight or Rose or the Holdo Maneuver or Luke tossing the lightsaber or any of that other nonsense. The reveal that Rey was a nobody without some kind of major secret history retroactively ruined Ep. VII by making her an ACTUAL Mary Sue, which she wasn't if you take Ep. VII on its own.

Are you just super gullible? There's zero chance she's no one. Kylo was clearly lying, and even if that is the real direction Rian wanted to take it to frustrate the audience because that's apparently his fetish JJ is 100% retconning that decision.

I like the theory that Rey is a clone. Palpatine got his hands on either Lukes chopped off digits, or more likely a sample from when Anakin got all toasted up and used either to try and make himself a perfect sith apprentice. Then the idea of her parents being "no one" takes on a whole different meaning.

Unlikely, but I think it would be pretty awesome.