All things Spartans

[irishtrooper]

Collects over 4 million for a longevity bonus and splits.... Seems like a great dude! I’m guessing there’s going to be some news coming out of that mess of an athletic dept at some point

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Dantonio steps down

Damn. Fs in the chat for a worthy opponent.

I hope State finds a good replacement, since Michigan needs to be humbled as often as possible.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Damn. Fs in the chat for a worthy opponent.

I hope State finds a good replacement, since Michigan needs to be humbled as often as possible.

Yeah, well, he might be pulling the Chip Kelly and getting out of Dodge before the NCAA arrives.

 

[dublinirish]

took his 4.3 million January bonus and then bolted...SCUMBAG

 

[BeauBenken]

took his 4.3 million January bonus and then bolted...SCUMBAG

Cause any of us wouldn't take the 4.3 million dollars?


And by no means am I saying he isn't scummy. I just don't think taking money that your contract allows you to is scummy.

 

[koonja]

Cause any of us wouldn't take the 4.3 million dollars?

Right!

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

took his 4.3 million January bonus and then bolted...SCUMBAG

OTOH, what the hell was MSU doing putting this in the contract?

 

[dublinirish]

Cause any of us wouldn't take the 4.3 million dollars?


And by no means am I saying he isn't scummy. I just don't think taking money that your contract allows you to is scummy.

he said in his statement he wanted to leave the program in a better place etc etc well saving them 4.3 mil would have helped!!

 

[BeauBenken]

OTOH, what the hell was MSU doing putting this in the contract?

Because he was the greatest coach they've ever had.


(I guess I should add "since the 60s.")

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Because he was the greatest coach they've ever had.

A bonus vesting at the end of January is setting your program up for this exact scenario.

 

[BeauBenken]

A bonus vesting at the end of January is setting your program up for this exact scenario.

Well...I guess I can't disagree with you there.


Man must have a good agent.

 

[IrishLion]

Would Fickell want that job?

Jesus, at this point it might be a lateral move.

Fickell would be a great hire, IMO.

Big Ten...basically double the salary...chance to beat Harbaugh every year...from the midwest...

Not sure, but he would be a good fit. I don't see the OSU job opening anytime soon.

UC has apparently been working on a deal to keep Fickell and his family happy in Cincinnati for as long as his young kids are in school, at least.

This is gonna put those negotiations to the test lol. We'll see how much progress the two sides have made in trying to keep Fickell from being another UC job-hopper.

I would say going to MSU just for a pay increase when you know you have to get by OSU, Penn State and scUM every year makes it a no-brainer for Fickell to turn it down based on the trajectory of UC's program and how he's recruiting... but like NDohio said, he'll be recruiting in the midwest still, and it'll be a pay increase unless UC pulls something crazy. That's tough to turn down.

I would hope for Narduzzi to take the job and make it a moot point, but I bet MSU is going to try and separate from Dantonio's coaching tree with all the shit that's coming out on the same day that he announced his retirement.

 

[deise mike]

Is this not an odd time of year to walk away? Those that have singed LOI, do they have any redress? Do I remember someone else being released recently when this happened?

 

[Rack Em]

UC has apparently been working on a deal to keep Fickell and his family happy in Cincinnati for as long as his young kids are in school, at least.

This is gonna put those negotiations to the test lol. We'll see how much progress the two sides have made in trying to keep Fickell from being another UC job-hopper.

I would say going to MSU just for a pay increase when you know you have to get by OSU, Penn State and scUM every year makes it a no-brainer for Fickell to turn it down based on the trajectory of UC's program and how he's recruiting... but like NDohio said, he'll be recruiting in the midwest still, and it'll be a pay increase unless UC pulls something crazy. That's tough to turn down.

I would hope for Narduzzi to take the job and make it a moot point, but I bet MSU is going to try and separate from Dantonio's coaching tree with all the shit that's coming out on the same day that he announced his retirement.

Razzle Nardazzle™ is more likely to get shitcanned by Pittsburgh than to get hired at MSU, IMO.

 

[Rack Em]

Guys, this might be Chip Long's last chance to get a job before he starts applying to bag groceries.

 

[Luckylucci]

Is this not an odd time of year to walk away? Those that have singed LOI, do they have any redress? Do I remember someone else being released recently when this happened?

I would think they'll let guys out of their LOI's should they request to do so.

 

[Irish#1]

took his 4.3 million January bonus and then bolted...SCUMBAG

He’s staying on in the athletic department. No particular position announced just yet. Means he’ll be shaking a lot of hands, eating overcooked chicken raising funds.

 

[BGIF]

took his 4.3 million January bonus and then bolted...SCUMBAG

It was longetivity compensation for not leaving earlier for a better gig. He met the criteria. MSU didn't have to go on the Carousal for 13 years.

He may well be a scumbag but not for that.

 

[BGIF]

He’s staying on in the athletic department. No particular position announced just yet. Means he’ll be shaking a lot of hands, eating overcooked chicken raising funds.

When the NCAA was coming down with sanctions on Auburn including them having to fire HC Pat Dye, Auburn allowed him to resign the night before the announcement. Then the AU president announced that Dye would be Special Assistant To The President (of AU) for life.

As I recall Dye was caught on tape paying players with funds from a bank whose CEO was the head of the AU Board of Trustees AND Dye was a Director of that bank as well as AU FB HC. It was after the Dye Taping that the Alabama Legislature passed a law that conversations could not be taped without prior consent of both parties. Ethics were not a consideration.

Dye subsequently interfered with replacement HCs, publicly second guessing them and maneuvering and agitating with alumni behind the scenes to sabotage the football coach.

 

[Irish2155]

Seams like a pretty good gig to me. Expectations not too high with a lot of upside of potential.

 

[Valpodoc85]

Bob Davie is looking.....

 

[Luckylucci]

Seams like a pretty good gig to me. Expectations not too high with a lot of upside of potential.

Do they though? Or how repeatable would that upside be?

I guess Dantonio got them there but when was the last time they consistently won big before that. Saban only had one double digit win season (99'), they went 10-2. Before Dantonio they had 5 coaches from 1980-2007 with only 1 double digit season. You could make the argument less games played so look at winning percentage, they only had two seasons over that 27 year span where they won more than 75% of their games. They historically recruit middle of the pack in the Big 10 and will consistently run into programs like Wisconsin, PSU, UM, and OSU for regional recruits and that's discounting teams like ND, Minnesota on the come up, etc.

I could see a guy like Fickel turning that job down in hopes of getting something better next year. I think the job Dantonio did at MSU is being slept on largely because of how his tenure has ended but make no mistake about it, MSU wasn't some powerhouse before he got there.

 

[Irish2155]

Do they though? Or how repeatable would that upside be?

I guess Dantonio got them there but when was the last time they consistently won big before that. Saban only had one double digit win season (99'), they went 10-2. Before Dantonio they had 5 coaches from 1980-2007 with only 1 double digit season. You could make the argument less games played so look at winning percentage, they only had two seasons over that 27 year span where they won more than 75% of their games. They historically recruit middle of the pack in the Big 10 and will consistently run into programs like Wisconsin, PSU, UM, and OSU for regional recruits and that's discounting teams like ND, Minnesota on the come up, etc.

I could see a guy like Fickel turning that job down in hopes of getting something better next year. I think the job Dantonio did at MSU is being slept on largely because of how his tenure has ended but make no mistake about it, MSU wasn't some powerhouse before he got there.

Yeah, I guess when you break it down like that you’re right lol. I meant it more as a good springboard opportunity for a coach if he can win there kind of like Saban or what Fleck is doing at Minn right now

 

[zelezo vlk]

Being in the same division as Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State is pretty rough too.

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[Luckylucci]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MSU reached out to Iowa State coach Matt Campbell about its opening. A source tells me the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cyclones?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cyclones</a> coach isn't interested, though. <a href="https://t.co/yVEY1BaomX">https://t.co/yVEY1BaomX</a></p>— Tommy Birch (@TommyBirch) <a href="https://twitter.com/TommyBirch/status/1224872854597984256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Irish#1]

Regardless of where MSU was prior to Dantonio, he has shown that you can do quite well if you work at it. IIRC they are building some new facilities which should benefit recruiting. They may have OSU, PSU and scUM in that division, but it's still one of the better jobs in the country and a stepping stone only to the elite programs.

He did get testy at his PC when they asked about his involvement in finding a replacement.

 

[Luckylucci]

Regardless of where MSU was prior to Dantonio, he has shown that you can do quite well if you work at it. IIRC they are building some new facilities which should benefit recruiting. They may have OSU, PSU and scUM in that division, but it's still one of the better jobs in the country and a stepping stone only to the elite programs.

He did get testy at his PC when they asked about his involvement in finding a replacement.

But that wouldn’t make it a good job it would make him a good coach. Good coaching jobs bring with them inherent benefits. Regional benefits, Fertile recruiting area, lack of competition (both on the field and in recruiting), resources, etc. MSU has none of those.

Not sure what you would categorize as one of the better jobs in the country, top 25? I would disagree, if that’s the case. Again, recent success by one coach is not a good way to judge this. Even Dantonio himself couldn’t keep the program ascending on his way out. Recruiting, down. Results on the field, down.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

But that wouldn’t make it a good job it would make him a good coach. Good coaching jobs bring with them inherent benefits. Regional benefits, Fertile recruiting area, lack of competition (both on the field and in recruiting), resources, etc. MSU has none of those.

Not sure what you would categorize as one of the better jobs in the country, top 25? I would disagree, if that’s the case. Again, recent success by one coach is not a good way to judge this. Even Dantonio himself couldn’t keep the program ascending on his way out. Recruiting, down. Results on the field, down.

I'm not denying that Dantonio is one of the better coaches in the past decade+ because he's certainly in the minority when it comes to sustaining success in East Lansing. BUT, a lot of his success in the beginning coincided with the downfall of scUM, particularly the hiring of Rich Rod, who turned his back to in-state recruiting to try and build a massive pipeline in the south. He wanted that GA, FL, TX speed to fit his spread offense, and he had nominal success. Meanwhile, Dantonio knocks on doors throughout Michigan, and they pass up scUM. Icing on the cake was actually hiring Brady Hoke, which still seems make believe but it happened.

To the bolded, he had a great run between 2010 - 2015, won some B1G titles, Rose Bowl, made the CFP, but he also had some serious bad press while he was on campus. He brought some bad eggs into his program and his success kept him around. Couple that with the whole Nadler situation, I have a feeling he was told to curve the character of his recruits. The run ended. And he is notoriously complacent at hiring his cronies, something we all got on BK for up until the 2016 debacle.

I don't think this story is over. He fired his recruiting coordinator a short while ago, who lawyered up and accused Dantonio of recruiting violations, and them a sudden retirement. The timing is weird.

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com...s-lawsuit-michigan-state-football/4658226002/

That gets announced yesterday, retirement announcement hours later.

 

[dublinirish]

Regardless of where MSU was prior to Dantonio, he has shown that you can do quite well if you work at it. IIRC they are building some new facilities which should benefit recruiting. They may have OSU, PSU and scUM in that division, but it's still one of the better jobs in the country and a stepping stone only to the elite programs.

He did get testy at his PC when they asked about his involvement in finding a replacement.

also when asked about austen robinson lol

 

[Irish#1]

But that wouldn’t make it a good job it would make him a good coach. Good coaching jobs bring with them inherent benefits. Regional benefits, Fertile recruiting area, lack of competition (both on the field and in recruiting), resources, etc. MSU has none of those.

Not sure what you would categorize as one of the better jobs in the country, top 25? I would disagree, if that’s the case. Again, recent success by one coach is not a good way to judge this. Even Dantonio himself couldn’t keep the program ascending on his way out. Recruiting, down. Results on the field, down.

That goes with any program and recent success could be describe in a manner of ways, but as I mentioned his success is proof it can be done. Not a top 25 program? We'll disagree there.

Out of the final AP poll. How many of these schools would you really classify as a better program and more attractive than MSU other than scUM & Texas?
Utah
Memphis
Michigan
Appalachian State
Navy
Cincinnati
Air Force
Boise State
UCF
Texas
Others receiving votes: Texas A&M 54, Florida Atlantic 46, Washington 39, Virginia 28, USC 16, San Diego State 13, Arizona State 12, SMU 10, Tennessee 8, California 6, North Dakota State 2, Louisiana Tech 2, Kentucky 2, Kansas State 2, Louisiana-Lafayette 2