All Things pOSU

[GATTACA!]

My Browns boards and sties are obviously full of buckeyes... the five stages of grief are in full display.

/r/Browns?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

My Browns boards and sties are obviously full of buckeyes... the five stages of grief are in full display.

Some like the Dawg Pound, others prefer the Pig Stie.

 

[ACamp1900]

/r/Browns?

nah, mostly facebook pages.

 

[ulukinatme]

OSU has put together an independent council to look into this and Meyer is already suspended. How many times does this happen to a coach and they return? Slim to none and Slim just rode out of town on the last horse. NBC Nightly News mentioned this story last night. When the regular news media mentions this, it can't be good.

I saw that, but the "Independent" council is made up of 3 University Board Trustees, 2 former Ohio politicians (I'm sure they'll be fair), and one other person not directly connected to the University:

I have a feeling Urban gets the suspension. Tressel did get the boot for lying about tattoos, but Tressel also was starting to wear out his welcome after the team regressed following the 2002 championship. He lived by superior defense and often subpar or at least boring offense in comparison, and a lot of fans were starting to doubt he'd pull off another NC.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I saw that, but the "Independent" council is made up of 3 University Board Trustees, 2 former Ohio politicians (I'm sure they'll be fair), and one other person not directly connected to the University:

Given the makeup of the "independent" council, they will be totally second guessed if they hang on to Meyer.

The only way that they could minimize the screams of cover-up, is if the "independent" council hires an independent firm to do the investigation.

 

[Blazers46]

Given the makeup of the "independent" council, they will be totally second guessed if they hang on to Meyer.

The only way that they could minimize the screams of cover-up, is if the "independent" council hires an independent firm to do the investigation.

Do you think OSU will live the backlash to keep Urban? I think this will get interesting and I am thinking they are trying to find a way to keep him.

 

[GATTACA!]

nah, mostly facebook pages.

Lame.

Figures. Facebook is for old people.

 

[DONTH8]

Lame.

Figures. Facebook is for the poors.

FIFY

 

[connor_in]

I saw that, but the "Independent" council is made up of 3 University Board Trustees, 2 former Ohio politicians (I'm sure they'll be fair), and one other person not directly connected to the University:

I have a feeling Urban gets the suspension. Tressel did get the boot for lying about tattoos, but Tressel also was starting to wear out his welcome after the team regressed following the 2002 championship. He lived by superior defense and often subpar or at least boring offense in comparison, and a lot of fans were starting to doubt he'd pull off another NC.

Given the makeup of the "independent" council, they will be totally second guessed if they hang on to Meyer.

The only way that they could minimize the screams of cover-up, is if the "independent" council hires an independent firm to do the investigation.

First leaks out of the independent council, apparently Urbie caught colluding with the Russians.

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[Irish#1]

Do you think OSU will live the backlash to keep Urban? I think this will get interesting and I am thinking they are trying to find a way to keep him.

OSU is starting to catch some heat for the wrestling program. I wonder how much that may come into play when deciding? Granted two separate incidents and sports, but it's OSU athletics and they need to tread carefully.

Lame.

Figures. Facebook is for old people.

I don't use Facebook.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Do you think OSU will live the backlash to keep Urban? I think this will get interesting and I am thinking they are trying to find a way to keep him.

Sure. Michigan State dealt with this stuff during the season. There was no way they were getting rid of Izzo and Dantonio without a Ray Rice type tape. I can see the same thing here. It's Urban Meyer. Like him or not, it's him, Nick Saban and then everyone else.

 

[connor_in]

Sure. Michigan State dealt with this stuff during the season. There was no way they were getting rid of Izzo and Dantonio without a Ray Rice type tape. I can see the same thing here. It's Urban Meyer. Like him or not, it's him, Nick Saban and then everyone else.

I saw some MSU media guy saying that if ESPN came out/comes out with supporting items the way McMurphy has on this, it would/will lead to issues. (Talking Izzo/Dantonio reporting here, not Nassar issues.)

 

[ab2cmiller]

Urban issues statement. While the statement is vague as it relates to details, I can only conclude that it sounds like he may have reported the 2015 incident, but lied to the media when confronted about the issue, claiming he knew nothing.

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[ab2cmiller]

If this ends up being true. Then he's got two problems.

1. He told several detailed lies at the Big Ten Media day.
2. The fact that he didn't fire Smith back in 2015.

 

[AKRowdy]

I feel like his statement hurts him more than helps.

 

[ACamp1900]

If this ends up being true. Then he's got two problems.

1. He told several detailed lies at the Big Ten Media day.
2. The fact that he didn't he fire Smith back in 2015.

3. "If you lie, you can never coach again".



...but he will be saved ultimately after he revels tOSU has had the best grad rates and overall GPA in all of cfb throughout his tenure.

 

[greyhammer90]

If this ends up being true. Then he's got two problems.

1. He told several detailed lies at the Big Ten Media day.
2. The fact that he didn't fire Smith back in 2015.

In addition, this better be true, because if he did report it, then there should be something in their records to corroborate that a report was made and an FOI request might be incoming on this.

Not to mention that if he did report then someone else in the hierarchy is going to go down for this, because someone dropped the ball.

 

[wizards8507]

Been at the beach for two days so just catching up. Maybe I'm missing a detail. What is Urban supposed to have done here, exactly? Is Urban the Columbus police department? Why is it on him to investigate, adjudicate, and punish alleged crimes?

 

[Wild Bill]

Been at the beach for two days so just catching up. Maybe I'm missing a detail. What is Urban supposed to have done here, exactly? Is Urban the Columbus police department? Why is it on him to investigate, adjudicate, and punish alleged crimes?

He has a contractual obligation to report even a mere allegation.

For purposes of this Section 4.1 (e), a "known violation" shall mean a violation or allegation of a violation of Title IX that Coach is aware of or has reasonable cause is taking place or may have taken place.

 

[wizards8507]

He has a contractual obligation to report even a mere allegation.

What was the Title IX violation?

This whole system is a house of cards that needs to be torn down. Numerous civil rights violations in these sham college campus investigations.

 

[BobbyMac]

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[greyhammer90]

Been at the beach for two days so just catching up. Maybe I'm missing a detail. What is Urban supposed to have done here, exactly? Is Urban the Columbus police department? Why is it on him to investigate, adjudicate, and punish alleged crimes?

It's less a legal thing and more a morality thing. It appears from all evidence that Meyer was aware for some time that a member of his staff was beating his wife regularly. It also appears as though Meyer didn't report this to anyone and at one earlier point in time sent over a "friend of the program" to "persuade" the beaten wife out of pressing charges. It also appears that he lied to media about it when asked directly and attempted to say that the entire story was #fakenews.

Add in prior issues with Urban being a known "win at all costs" guy that had supposedly changed since his Florida days, that this goes directly against his much praised respect women "core value", that he almost certainly lied directly to both his OSU superiors and the media, and that this is all happening in a post "We learned in 2018 that everyone in power apparently treats women like garbage" world and you have a PR nightmare on your hands.

 

[greyhammer90]

.

Guarantee he's going to cover for everyone else. He'll be getting abnormally high pay for being a Dunkin Donuts manager for the rest of his life.

 

[calvegas04]

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I bet he gives PC answers for every question thrown his way.... but we could always start a prayer thread and hope he burns the house down

 

[wizards8507]

It's less a legal thing and more a morality thing. It appears from all evidence that Meyer was aware for some time that a member of his staff was beating his wife regularly. It also appears as though Meyer didn't report this to anyone and at one earlier point in time sent over a "friend of the program" to "persuade" the beaten wife out of pressing charges. It also appears that he lied to media about it when asked directly and attempted to say that the entire story was #fakenews.

Add in prior issues with Urban being a known "win at all costs" guy that had supposedly changed since his Florida days, that this goes directly against his much praised respect women "core value", that he almost certainly lied directly to both his OSU superiors and the media, and that this is all happening in a post "We learned in 2018 that everyone in power apparently treats women like garbage" world and you have a PR nightmare on your hands.

Is the allegation that he KNEW, or that he heard rumors? I was under the impression that we still don't really know whether this guy for sure did anything.

 

[greyhammer90]

Is the allegation that he KNEW, or that he heard rumors? I was under the impression that we still don't really know whether this guy for sure did anything.

The allegation is that he knew? I don't really understand what you're asking here.

 

[wizards8507]

The allegation is that he knew? I don't really understand what you're asking here.

Which of these is being reported?

Scenario A: Urban saw this guy hit his wife.

Scenario B: The guy told urban he hit his wife.

Scenario C: Urban heard from his own wife who heard from another lady who heard from this guy's wife that the guy hit her.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Which of these is being reported?

Scenario A: Urban saw this guy hit his wife.

Scenario B: The guy told urban he hit his wife.

Scenario C: Urban heard from his own wife who heard from another lady who heard from this guy's wife that the guy hit her.

None of the above

 

[Luckylucci]

It seems as though the firing of Zach Smith was an admission of guilt. Now, it sounds like the smear campaign is trying position Zach as the victim of a crazy wife. If all of this was made up, then why did OSU fire Zach?

 

[wizards8507]

It seems as though the firing of Zach Smith was an admission of guilt. Now, it sounds like the smear campaign is trying position Zach as the victim of a crazy wife. If all of this was made up, then why did OSU fire Zach?

Because that's how Title IX investigations work.

Again, I'm coming into this cold. But it's plausible. That's why these things should be handled by police, DAs, judges, and juries. Not unaccountable university administrators who care more about bad publicity than due process of law.