All Things pOSU

[clashmore_mike]

Suspended for the Minnesota game, the rest of the discipline is up to Meyer.

 

[kmoose]

Suspended for the Minnesota game, the rest of the discipline is up to Meyer.

Suspended by whom? I mean, if the rest of the discipline is up to Meyer, then does that mean that Meyer is not the one who suspended him?

 

[Booslum31]

JT Barrett discussion dominating early game day discussion. Thanks JT!

 

[clashmore_mike]

Suspended by whom? I mean, if the rest of the discipline is up to Meyer, then does that mean that Meyer is not the one who suspended him?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OSU drug and alcohol policy calls for 2-game suspension because Barrett is under 21</p>— Mark Schlabach (@Mark_Schlabach) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/660450938528903169">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OSU AD Gene Smith said incident doesn't fall under drug and alcohol policy because it's a misdemeanor & Urban Meyer decides punishment</p>— Mark Schlabach (@Mark_Schlabach) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/660451055625502720">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from Ohio State athletics department <a href="https://t.co/IWhAQaWVth">pic.twitter.com/IWhAQaWVth</a></p>— Mark Schlabach (@Mark_Schlabach) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/660451379446734848">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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He is suspended for the Minnesota game at minimum, by Meyer. Any further discipline is up to him as well.

 

[kmoose]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OSU drug and alcohol policy calls for 2-game suspension because Barrett is under 21</p>— Mark Schlabach (@Mark_Schlabach) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/660450938528903169">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OSU AD Gene Smith said incident doesn't fall under drug and alcohol policy because it's a misdemeanor & Urban Meyer decides punishment</p>— Mark Schlabach (@Mark_Schlabach) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/660451055625502720">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement from Ohio State athletics department <a href="https://t.co/IWhAQaWVth">pic.twitter.com/IWhAQaWVth</a></p>— Mark Schlabach (@Mark_Schlabach) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/660451379446734848">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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He is suspended for the Minnesota game at minimum, by Meyer. Any further discipline is up to him as well.

Ah, ok. Anyone want to lay odds on the suspension staying right where it is at? One game.

 

[IrishLion]

One game seems reasonable to me.

Guy got drunk during the bye week and made the stupid decision to drive. He doesn't have a pattern of bad behavior or anything.

The real punishment will be if Cardale holds onto the job now.

 

[SoIll]

he actually blew the legal limit, only problem is that he's 20

 

[kmoose]

One game seems reasonable to me.

Guy got drunk during the bye week and made the stupid decision to drive. He doesn't have a pattern of bad behavior or anything.

The real punishment will be if Cardale holds onto the job now.

Guy is the starting QB, was drinking during the season, and didn't call someone for a ride. He should be suspended for 3 games just based on his flippant "I don't give a fvck" attitude towards his teammates, nevermind the actual legal issues.

 

[KizerRolls]

Urban would have given Aaron Hernandez a 3 game suspension.

 

[IrishLion]

Guy is the starting QB, was drinking during the season, and didn't call someone for a ride. He should be suspended for 3 games just based on his flippant "I don't give a fvck" attitude towards his teammates, nevermind the actual legal issues.

Drinking during the season is bad, but I wouldn't put much weight on that since its their bye week. College students gonna drink and all that. That might sound crazy, but I really think drinking during a week of game prep is more egregious.

 

[kmoose]

Drinking during the season is bad, but I wouldn't put much weight on that since its their bye week. College students gonna drink and all that. That might sound crazy, but I really think drinking during a week of game prep is more egregious.

I wouldn't put a lot of weight on that if it was the Ohio University Bobcat quarterback, or the Rutgers Scarlet Knights quarterback. But we are talking about the starting QB of the #1 team in the country. You can give up booze for the season. But maybe he can't. Maybe that has something to do with why he was only recently named the starter, despite the offense struggling.

 

[clashmore_mike]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If u find the word "misdemeanor" in this policy, hit me up. I did not. <a href="https://t.co/JV2AlQPXKy">https://t.co/JV2AlQPXKy</a></p>— John Walters (@jdubs88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jdubs88/status/660468166703882240">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So if word does not appear, and Gene Smith uses that word as an excuse, he's basically saying we make up the rules as we go along.</p>— John Walters (@jdubs88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jdubs88/status/660468324065783808">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[kmoose]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If u find the word "misdemeanor" in this policy, hit me up. I did not. <a href="https://t.co/JV2AlQPXKy">https://t.co/JV2AlQPXKy</a></p>— John Walters (@jdubs88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jdubs88/status/660468166703882240">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So if word does not appear, and Gene Smith uses that word as an excuse, he's basically saying we make up the rules as we go along.</p>— John Walters (@jdubs88) <a href="https://twitter.com/jdubs88/status/660468324065783808">October 31, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I don't think this guy has much of an argument here. The policy he cites mostly spells out OSU's drug testing program. It does spell out some policies following incidents, but nowhere does it talk about suspensions or anything punitive.

A. First Positive
1. The management team consists of the Associate Athletic Director for the assigned sport, medical review officer, drug testing coordinator, intervention coordinator and head coach or his/her designee. The management team will be informed of a positive drug positive test and/or alcohol/substance abuse related offense (e.g., DUI, alcohol related assault, underage possession of alcohol).
2. The student-athlete will be evaluated by the intervention coordinator and a substance abuse counselor approved by the Department of Athletics.
3. The management team will determine a management plan for the student-athlete and will meet with the student-athlete in the program at least once a year to oversee their compliance and monitor their progress.
4. The intervention coordinator will send a quarterly update to the management team about the status of the student-athlete.
5. The student-athlete will be subject to reasonable cause testing as determined by the management team’s recommendation.
6. The student athlete who has an alcohol/substance abuse occurrence (DUI, underage possession, etc.) will be subject to more stringent alcohol testing as part of their management plan. Any positive test for alcohol in these student athletes who are under 21 will be deemed a second positive in the program.

So I don't see how OSU AD Gene Smith (an ND grad and member of the 1988 National Championship team, btw) is out of line with his decisions thus far. But it will certainly be interesting to see how this situation plays out.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Boy, I remember the conversation about Michael Floyd like it was yesterday . . .

We will see what pro-active approach theOSU takes to insure the future wellbeing of their young student athlete.

 

[CraigKrenzel]

I don't think this guy has much of an argument here. The policy he cites mostly spells out OSU's drug testing program. It does spell out some policies following incidents, but nowhere does it talk about suspensions or anything punitive.



So I don't see how OSU AD Gene Smith (an ND grad and member of the 1988 National Championship team, btw) is out of line with his decisions thus far. But it will certainly be interesting to see how this situation plays out.

Edit: Sounded kinda dickish. Think I'm just a little pissed about the decision. I believe the logic behind the suspension he's mentioning is that J.T. Barrett is 20 years old, so, under paragraph 6 of that bit you posted, it counts as a "second positive." Under the second positive policy, paragraph 4, a two-week suspension is mandated.

 

[kmoose]

Read it more closely

I must have missed something?

 

[kmoose]

Edit: Sounded kinda dickish. Think I'm just a little pissed about the decision. I believe the logic behind the suspension he's mentioning is that J.T. Barrett is 20 years old, so, under paragraph 6 of that bit you posted, it counts as a "second positive." Under the second positive policy, paragraph 4, a two-week suspension is mandated.

Ah, so looking at it as separate incidents:

Incident #1: The OVI

Incident #2: Underage drinking

To be clear: I was not complaining about the way that tOSU has handled it. I was referring to the tweets from the guy, accusing AD Gene Smith of ignoring the policy and just kind of making stuff up as he went along.

 

[CraigKrenzel]

Ah, so looking at it as separate incidents:

Incident #1: The OVI

Incident #2: Underage drinking

To be clear: I was not complaining about the way that tOSU has handled it. I was referring to the tweets from the guy, accusing AD Gene Smith of ignoring the policy and just kind of making stuff up as he went along.

You know what, looking again I have no idea what that policy is trying to say about underage drinking while driving. I agree your reading (it counting as two separate incidents) is the only way we can get to the "second incident" level, and that last sentence in Paragraph 6 is only stating the obvious that a positive alcohol test while underage and in the "management plan" is another infraction. At least it seems that should go without saying...

 

[BGIF]

he actually blew the legal limit, only problem is that he's 20

No, he didn't. His .099 actually blew 24% over the legal limit for those of legal age.

His .099 was 495% of the .02 legal limit for those underage.

 

[kmoose]

You know what, looking again I have no idea what that policy is trying to say about underage drinking while driving. I agree your reading (it counting as two separate incidents) is the only way we can get to the "second incident" level, and that last sentence in Paragraph 6 is only stating the obvious that a positive alcohol test while underage and in the "management plan" is another infraction. At least it seems that should go without saying...

If I were in Urban Meyer's shoes, I think I would suspend him for more than one game. You simply can't have your starting QB setting that kind of example. But we ARE talking about the same coach that suspended Florida RB Chris Rainey, what, 2 games(?) for sending his girlfriend a death threat text message...

 

[calvegas04]

Drinking and driving is no joke, a 1 game suspension is a joke

 

[Booslum31]

Drinking and driving is no joke, a 1 game suspension is a joke

Urbie is definitely molder of men.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Drinking and driving is no joke, a 1 game suspension is a joke

Michael Floyd didn't miss any games for his.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Michael Floyd didn't miss any games for his.

And wasn't that his 2nd dui?

I was thinking he had one in high school or something.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

And wasn't that his 2nd dui?

I was thinking he had one in high school or something.

He had two previous underage drinking charges, but not a DUI.

Notre Dame Fighting Irish WR Michael Floyd suspended after arrest for DUI

 

[dad4aa]

Michael Floyd didn't miss any games for his.

Didn't his happen in the offseason? Didn't he end up being suspended for 3 months until he fulfilled several requirements BK spelled out for him? Wasn't he of legal drinking age?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Didn't his happen in the offseason? Didn't he end up being suspended for 3 months until he fulfilled several requirements BK spelled out for him? Wasn't he of legal drinking age?

But he didn't miss any game time. Wouldn't you think that's a bit of a joke if it was Urban Meyer who gave the penalty?

He was of legal age, but blew a .19 after running a stop sign. So his age is pretty irrelevant.

 

[dad4aa]

But he didn't miss any game time. Wouldn't you think that's a bit of a joke if it was Urban Meyer who gave the penalty?

He was of legal age, but blew a .19 after running a stop sign. So his age is pretty irrelevant.

Not at all. Suspended from the team INDEFINITELY. If he had not done several things that Kelly spelled out for him he would not have been back on the team.

Too many people are quick to try and prove ND is no different when they are. Suspended for a DUI, suspended/dismissed for cheating, sent packing for drug use...all things ND has done. OSU, FSU, USC will never do this. While ND is not on a pedestal or alone in punishing student athletes for breaking rules, let's stop acting like ND is just like these football factories.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Not at all. Suspended from the team INDEFINITELY. If he had not done several things that Kelly spelled out for him he would not have been back on the team.

Too many people are quick to try and prove ND is no different when they are. Suspended for a DUI, suspended/dismissed for cheating, sent packing for drug use...all things ND has done. OSU, FSU, USC will never do this. While ND is not on a pedestal or alone in punishing student athletes for breaking rules, let's stop acting like ND is just like these football factories.

Notre Dame is not like football factories. Golson and the frozen five are absolutely evidence of that. No argument.

But it's pretty easy to suspend your best player during the off season. And I'm not even saying it was the wrong decision. But I do believe that this place would have exploded if the same had happened to J.T. Barrett, Julio Jones, Tim Tebow, etc. Especially considering it was Floyd's third drinking offense.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Yea I've been hesitant to dig too hard on this one due to Floyd's experience a few years ago.