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[zelezo vlk]

Floyd was also not allowed to be captain. Wasn't he also forced to room on campus?

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[Bogtrotter07]

Hey everybody, Floyd had to complete a tough sobriety course, which his coach monitored (day-by-day). If he didn't he wasn't going to play for the Irish ever again.

Floyd missed spring football, which clearly impacted his senior season.

Floyd lost captaincy.

But Kelly and the admin cared so much about Floyd that they forced him to confront and beat his problem before he could play again. And if he hadn't played his senior year, his draft value would be what? Zero?

For whom would you rather have your kid play?

 

[MNIrishman]

Notre Dame is not like football factories. Golson and the frozen five are absolutely evidence of that. No argument.

But it's pretty easy to suspend your best player during the off season. And I'm not even saying it was the wrong decision. But I do believe that this place would have exploded if the same had happened to J.T. Barrett, Julio Jones, Tim Tebow, etc. Especially considering it was Floyd's third drinking offense.

Floyd was treated like any other student in the discipline process. Coaches don't get consulted in that process. The rules say separation for an academic semester and all extracurriculars during that semester for that infraction. That's what happened to Floyd.

So it kind of comes down to the question of, do we want to treat our athletes differently in the discipline process? Or do we want to treat them the same as any other student at the university?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Hey everybody, Floyd had to complete a tough sobriety course, which his coach monitored (day-by-day). If he didn't he wasn't going to play for the Irish ever again.

Floyd missed spring football, which clearly impacted his senior season.

Floyd lost captaincy.

But Kelly and the admin cared so much about Floyd that they forced him to confront and beat his problem before he could play again. And if he hadn't played his senior year, his draft value would be what? Zero?

For whom would you rather have your kid play?

Glad you wrote that in bold.

If all of those things happened to J.T. Barrett, but he didn't miss a game, Irish Envy would chalk it up to Urban Meyer being Urban Meyer.

 

[dad4aa]

Glad you wrote that in bold.

If all of those things happened to J.T. Barrett, but he didn't miss a game, Irish Envy would chalk it up to Urban Meyer being Urban Meyer.

Not even close to being accurate.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Not even close to being accurate.

I disagree. But that's fine.

I think we have a knee-jerk reaction here sometimes. We're so primed to like ND that there's an inherent confirmation bias when we see a story like this. Again, I'm not even saying that the decision on Floyd was wrong. I just think that the player not missing any games could be seen as a decision that is intended to protect the product on the field.

 

[dad4aa]

I disagree. But that's fine.

I think we have a knee-jerk reaction here sometimes. We're so primed to like ND that there's an inherent confirmation bias when we see a story like this. Again, I'm not even saying that the decision on Floyd was wrong. I just think that the player not missing any games could be seen as a decision that is intended to protect the product on the field.

I will agree with this. For me, it comes down to timing. Had Floyd done this during the year, I would hope the penalty would remain the same. Kind of comparing Apples and oranges in this situation. I just remember one of the football factories having a player do something pretty bad and they let him play while "investigating" the issue. The conclusion of the investigation coincided with back to back cupcakes and the player was suspended for those two games...several weeks after the infraction and he played in the marquee games. That, IMO, is the difference between schools like ND and OSU.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Urban can send as strong a "message" as he wants here. While the university policy in this instance is apparently one game, Meyer could effectively add to that as much as he wants. Guess we will see.

 

[IrishLion]

I think my belief is that this is a first offense for an otherwise good student-athlete.

Suspend him for a game, see how he responds.

Floyd had three alcohol-related offenses and missed 15 practices; responded admirably.

 

[NDRock]

Glad you wrote that in bold.

If all of those things happened to J.T. Barrett, but he didn't miss a game, Irish Envy would chalk it up to Urban Meyer being Urban Meyer.

I disagree. Like it or not timing of the DUI is a big factor. If Barrett gets a DUI a week after last season's championship game, I would not expect him to miss any games. If it happens mid-season, then he should miss game time.

Floyd's DUI occurred in February (I think), his penalty was quite appropriate, I would say the same for another kid at a different school.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I disagree. Like it or not timing of the DUI is a big factor. If Barrett gets a DUI a week after last season's championship game, I would not expect him to miss any games. If it happens mid-season, then he should miss game time.

Floyd's DUI occurred in February (I think), his penalty was quite appropriate, I would say the same for another kid at a different school.

Fair enough.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Wrong thread

 

[ulukinatme]

Floyd probably should have gotten a game suspension, but he's definitely the exception and not the rule. Plus his came in the off season. Guys have gotten far worse punishments for DUI. I know it was 10 years ago, but I think Rashon Powers-Neal was suspended the entire season and he was our starting fullback at the time. I'd try to find another example, but we don't seem to get too many DUIs. I want to say one of our TEs had one too about 5-7 years ago and missed a bunch of games.

 

[yankeeND]

I don't really have a problem with a 1 game suspension. If he has another incident then i would expect a much more severe punishment. I just don't see throwing the book at kids after their first infraction or mistake. I hope he learns from this and continues to be successful.

 

[Riddickulous]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Urban Meyer said JT Barrett has to undergo counseling thru OSU & "forfeited his scholarship for one term" but can earn it back.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/661222895939485696">November 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Ouch.

 

[KPENN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Urban Meyer said JT Barrett has to undergo counseling thru OSU & "forfeited his scholarship for one term" but can earn it back.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/661222895939485696">November 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Ouch.

This is such a f*ckin joke

 

[Riddickulous]

And this:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Urban Meyer said JR Barrett didn't "need" to be suspended per school policy but he chose to suspend the QB for 1 game.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/661222527155343360">November 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bottom line: If JT Barrett is unfit to be on scholarship, he is unfit to play. Otherwise, OSU is fining an (unpaid) employee.</p>— Marc Isenberg (@marcisenberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/marcisenberg/status/661229340366016512">November 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Pops Freshenmeyer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Bottom line: If JT Barrett is unfit to be on scholarship, he is unfit to play. Otherwise, OSU is fining an (unpaid) employee.</p>— Marc Isenberg (@marcisenberg) <a href="https://twitter.com/marcisenberg/status/661229340366016512">November 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I agree with this.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

This is such a f*ckin joke

Why? Seems pretty severe to me, actually.

 

[ACamp1900]

It was brought up this morning on Mike and Mike and I loved the idea... the NCAA needs a panel that oversees every school's discipline on these things... so it's uniform across the board and snakes like Urban don't get to wiggle around not playing key players...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

It was brought up this morning on Mike and Mike and I loved the idea... the NCAA needs a panel that oversees every school's discipline on these things... so it's uniform across the board and snakes like Urban don't get to wiggle around not playing key players...

I heard that too. It would take everyone off the hook, actually. Snakes couldn't be lenient, but no head coach would have to make the call for a kid he may love like a son, etc. Implementation would be interesting...

 

[yankeeND]

Why? Seems pretty severe to me, actually.

Yeah, I'm actually kind of impressed with what Meyer is doing here. If it's about teaching a boy to become a man, then this is a good approach. It's all about how he responds to this that will decide that. If he doesn't learn from it, then he probably won't last anyway. That kid is a super talent though, and I suspect he is receiving the message loud and clear.

 

[yankeeND]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Asked Jim Harbaugh how long Ty Isaac will be off the field: "None of your business."</p>— Dan Murphy (@DanMurphyESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanMurphyESPN/status/661235277797683201">November 2, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Lol, that dude is so unlikeable. But he wins dammit.

 

[ACamp1900]

Yeah, I'm actually kind of impressed with what Meyer is doing here. If it's about teaching a boy to become a man, then this is a good approach. It's all about how he responds to this that will decide that. If he doesn't learn from it, then he probably won't last anyway. That kid is a super talent though, and I suspect he is receiving the message loud and clear.

I guess I'm just cynical towards Urban, the scholly thing won't impact JTB one bit in the long term... but it has the faux impression of a real punishment...

 

[Irish#1]

Urban can send as strong a "message" as he wants here. While the university policy in this instance is apparently one game, Meyer could effectively add to that as much as he wants. Guess we will see.

Sorry, I don't remember where I heard this, but it stated that this was being handled by Meyer and the school wouldn't be involved in this.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I guess I'm just cynical towards Urban, the scholly thing won't impact JTB one bit in the long term... but it has the faux impression of a real punishment...

It won't matter if/when he gets drafted. But it seems like a huge financial hit in the short term. Unless I'm missing something.

 

[yankeeND]

I guess I'm just cynical towards Urban, the scholly thing won't impact JTB one bit in the long term... but it has the faux impression of a real punishment...

Oh, that's comlpletely understandable. He doesn't have the best track record with his players and discipline, that is for certain. It may be a publicity stunt too, but I thought it was an interesting approach to make him pay his own way for a semester because he is not conducting himself properly. I had never seen that before. We shall see what ends up happening, but I guess it just surprised me that there were real consequences here.

 

[Irish#1]

I guess I'm just cynical towards Urban, the scholly thing won't impact JTB one bit in the long term... but it has the faux impression of a real punishment...

Agree. I wonder how much Urbie is doing this just to deflect criticism from how he handled his players while at UF? He might be finding that media and public scrutiny is a long stronger up here than in the SEC where no one says anything to avoid having themselves called out?

 

[GoldenDomer]

It's not even his scholarship, its his summer aid.

Urban is a fucking joke lol